Worker Wages: Wendy's vs. Wal-Mart vs. Costco

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Is it just me or do those two jobs not go together - accountant and bouncer?😃

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Tim
When I was in the office people said they couldn’t believe I worked as a bouncer. When I was at the bar people couldn’t believe I worked as an accountant.
 
Then you take another job, why people are opposed to working extra jobs is beyond me. It’s the way I got through college.
If these 32 yr old women are single moms, getting a second job is easier said than done. The logistics of juggling children and minimum wage part-time jobs with revolving schedules is not easy and not always possible. What happens to the kids when mom is gone all the time and they are being raised by school and random daycare providers? There is always that trade off of what is more important, raising your children or providing for their physical needs.

I do have to say that I was totally impressed by a guy I talked to working at a local fast food place. He worked 3 jobs to support his wife and children. You could tell he did it for the love of his family that he sacrificed so much. I just don’t see many men willing to do that any more. If things get hard, they just bail and then complain about having to pay child support.
 
Productivity, risk management, and competence. A CEO has all of these in greater proportion to a burger flipper and his salary reflects this.
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Then you take another job, why people are opposed to working extra jobs is beyond me. It’s the way I got through college.
I still do that.
 
If these 32 yr old women are single moms, getting a second job is easier said than done. The logistics of juggling children and minimum wage part-time jobs with revolving schedules is not easy and not always possible. What happens to the kids when mom is gone all the time and they are being raised by school and random daycare providers? There is always that trade off of what is more important, raising your children or providing for their physical needs.

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So you are saying they should have made better choices in life?
 
If these 32 yr old women are single moms, getting a second job is easier said than done. The logistics of juggling children and minimum wage part-time jobs with revolving schedules is not easy and not always possible. What happens to the kids when mom is gone all the time and they are being raised by school and random daycare providers? There is always that trade off of what is more important, raising your children or providing for their physical needs.
Why is that the employer’s problem? Is the employer to determine whose needs are greater and pay them accordingly? I’m not sure the employer is even allowed to ask the family status at the time of the job interview.
 
So you are saying they should have made better choices in life?
Look, everybody knows where babies come from. In my job I have plenty of men and women whose wages are garnished for child support. A father cannot bail on his child. We send the W-4 in to the state at the time of hire. Within one month of hire, I get a withholding order for child support.

There is no such thing as a “single mother,” there is always a father who made the woman a mother.
 
Do you know anything about CEO Jim Skinner? He never graduated from college, served 10 years in the US Navy, and got his start as an assistant manager at McDonalds.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Skinner

That sounds like an example to be followed, rather than whining about what those 30 year olds have not yet earned.
No-one, no-one, gets where they are without help. Skinner’s circumstances are a combination of hard work, resources and sheer luck.

Most McD’s employees I know are some of the hardest-working people I’ve ever seen; gotta wonder why they’re not ALL multimillionaire corporate CEOs.
 
There are almost 2 million employees of Macdonalds. If the CEO split his take with them, they would each get less than a 1¢/hour raise, only slightly over $10/year.
I didn’t say his pay should be split that far. There’s also more than one multimillionare on staff, though. 🤷
 
No-one, no-one, gets where they are without help. Skinner’s circumstances are a combination of hard work, resources and sheer luck.

Most McD’s employees I know are some of the hardest-working people I’ve ever seen; gotta wonder why they’re not ALL multimillionaire corporate CEOs.
And what did you come up with? My first thought was maybe this guy was more ambitious than the average fast food worker? He did spend 10 years in the Navy. Can you say that about the the McD’s employees you know?

Our armed services are open to just about anybody, paid for with taxpayer $$$$.
 
I am a public school teacher in NC. We just took another pay cut (well, elimination of another increase). Now I can whine and moan about the cut, or I can just take it, or I can simply resign and find another job.

If the productivity of a worker is such that the job warrants $13.00 per hour, then it makes no sense to say they should be paid $23.00 per hour. That’s a recipe for bankruptcy.
If it does make sense, then maybe $33.00 per hour makes more sense. Or $43.00 per hour. At what point does paying someone in excess of their productivity no longer make sense?

Has anyone stopped to think that maybe the reason 16 year olds can’t get a Burger King job is because of the increases in minimum wage? 🤷

Jon
The reason 16 year olds aren’t getting Burger King jobs around here is that their mothers and fathers are filling those jobs! I wish I was joking.

I live in a city of 150,000 and in a pretty central location. The nearest main road to me is home to one of every regionally available fast food joint and a few of the sit down chain restaurants. A very common sight here is former factory workers working whatever job they can get and working fast food as a 2nd job while their wives, who used to be stay at home moms, work fast food as a primary job.

I know that a lot of teachers and other professionals have had to take pay cuts, but those folks are in a better position than most. Sad reality right there.

From my point of view, the unions became more of a problem than a help in our area. It became standard for uneducated workers to make a wage realistically above their education and skill levels. When you can go work for an auto company or supplier with little education and training to the tune of $40-something an hour including benefits cost to the company it sets a region up for failure. People skip education in favor of a paycheck now, work for years, buy homes and cars, take on debt, and then lose everything when the job goes overseas and the worker has no ability to find another job making even close to the pay and benefits. Or, in a lot of cases, the company simply cannot afford to pay what the union contract demands, the unions refuse to negotiate, and the company goes out of business. Happened to most of the auto suppliers here. We ended up with a boatload of people who lost their jobs in such a way and have no skills or training beyond factory work.

So, no, I do not believe someone should be paid outside their skill levels. But I do think that most big companies could afford to pay their employees more. The $13+ an hour idea for cashiers or fast food workers is beyond ridiculous. However, I think $9 an hour is doable. It doesn’t sound like much, but the additional $40 a week can be the difference between paying a utility and having to go without food to pay a utility.

Did anyone else see Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs) do Real Time with Bill Maher or hear his testimony before congress? We have over 3 million jobs going unfilled because there is no one with the skill and willingness to work those jobs. And those jobs pay a living wage!

You might think “That’s insane! What gives?” Well, apparently those jobs are blue collar jobs like HVAC, mechanic, plumber, construction etc. and no one was told in school that those jobs were a viable option. Everyone, even those not academically inclined, is pushed toward college and some sort of white collar work. So, they never considered going to a community college or trade school(where education is much less expensive) to become qualified to work those jobs. Either those people quit education altogether or end up with student loan debt and a degree that is essentially worthless because there aren’t enough jobs in the chosen field.

My own personal favorite solution to a lot of our economic problems is to A) get people interested in re-training and trade school education and B) get the federal and state governments to pay for a massive upgrade of the US infrastructure. Our roads, bridges, and sewer systems are a disgrace. Our economy in shambles. Get funding to educate the unemployed in useful trade skills and put them to work fixing and then maintaining our crumbling infrastructure. They’ll be paying taxes, getting off state and federal assistance, making enough money to live a decent life, and they’ll pump money into the economy by going out to eat, buying new cars, buying homes, shopping for clothes and other essentials, and paying for upgrades and repairs to their homes.
 
Sometimes thats all the work that is available to the workers who may have a family to provide for as well.
I am sure that that is sometimes a situation. But why is that McDonald’s responsibility to pay higher wages for entry-level jobs because people fall on hard times?

The truth is McDonald’s has no responsibility whatsoever that this man. You and I, on the other hand, have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy. A responsibility we can not fulfill my railing about businesses not paying people enough money.
 
I do have to say that I was totally impressed by a guy I talked to working at a local fast food place. He worked 3 jobs to support his wife and children. You could tell he did it for the love of his family that he sacrificed so much. I just don’t see many men willing to do that any more. If things get hard, they just bail and then complain about having to pay child support.
As impressive as he is, it is very far from the ideal. Working 3 jobs probably gives him next to no time with his family. Family should always be #1 but some are in the position of having to make them #2 in order to treat them as #1 (not sure if that makes sense haha).

I wonder if we are past the point where it can be fixed? We give the bulk of our money to just a few people, then the people at the bottom get whatever is left over after everybody above them took their share. The only way out I can see is to start to buy locally and support the giant corporations as little as possible. Of course that’s easier said than done. The more I learn about it, distribitism is making more and more sense to me.
 
I wonder if we are past the point where it can be fixed? We give the bulk of our money to just a few people, then the people at the bottom get whatever is left over after everybody above them took their share. The only way out I can see is to start to buy locally and support the giant corporations as little as possible. Of course that’s easier said than done. The more I learn about it, distribitism is making more and more sense to me.
In which drives up the cost of food, clothing and other essentials and the poor guy now has to work four jobs to make ends meet
 
**We have over 3 million jobs going unfilled because there is no one with the skill and willingness to work those jobs. And those jobs pay a living wage! **

You might think “That’s insane! What gives?” Well, apparently those jobs are blue collar jobs like HVAC, mechanic, plumber, construction etc. and no one was told in school that those jobs were a viable option. Everyone, even those not academically inclined, is pushed toward college and some sort of white collar work. So, they never considered going to a community college or trade school(where education is much less expensive) to become qualified to work those jobs. Either those people quit education altogether or end up with student loan debt and a degree that is essentially worthless because there aren’t enough jobs in the chosen field.
What a fantastic post, MJJ! I snipped out the part above because I think it illuminates a critical defect in today’s educational process … and it has several related consequences, just as you’ve noted.

Thanks so much for bringing this up! 👍
 
Did anyone else see Mike Rowe (Dirty Jobs) do Real Time with Bill Maher or hear his testimony before congress? We have over 3 million jobs going unfilled because there is no one with the skill and willingness to work those jobs. And those jobs pay a living wage!

You might think “That’s insane! What gives?” Well, apparently those jobs are blue collar jobs like HVAC, mechanic, plumber, construction etc. and no one was told in school that those jobs were a viable option. **Everyone, even those not academically inclined, is pushed toward college and some sort of white collar work. **So, they never considered going to a community college or trade school(where education is much less expensive) to become qualified to work those jobs. Either those people quit education altogether or end up with student loan debt and a degree that is essentially worthless because there aren’t enough jobs in the chosen field.
This!!

Everyone thinks they are entitled to a free college education. Obama’s administration is pushing this to the max.

Did you know when a student gets a loan, the money goes to the student, not to the school the student does whatever he wants with the money.

Who is left holding the bag when the student never really attends class, gets no degree, and has 10,000’s $$ in loans? Obama wants to erase them.

We have employees here, working minimum wage jobs, with over $40,000.00 in student loans. Their wages are being garnished to pay off the loans. But Obama wants to forgive them?

How did they end up working cleaning jobs with all their education?
 
I wonder if we are past the point where it can be fixed? We give the bulk of our money to just a few people, then the people at the bottom get whatever is left over after everybody above them took their share. The only way out I can see is to start to buy locally and support the giant corporations as little as possible. Of course that’s easier said than done. The more I learn about it, distribitism is making more and more sense to me.
We don’t “give” money. People EARN money. When people EARN money, they can hire people.

People at the “bottom” don’t get “whatever is left over.” They EARN what the job is worth.

What about getting a job in the restaurant business? My son, who is 25, makes a lot of money being a waiter. He makes enough to have bought a house last year when he was 24. I didn’t give him any money or help him with the down payment. He has a roommate whose rent pays most of the mortgage. It doesn’t take a great deal of education or experience. But it is hard work and tiring.
 
And what did you come up with? My first thought was maybe this guy was more ambitious than the average fast food worker? He did spend 10 years in the Navy. Can you say that about the the McD’s employees you know?

Our armed services are open to just about anybody, paid for with taxpayer $$$$.
…and what does the Navy have to do with being a corporate CEO? That’s a total non-sequiter.
 
I am sure that that is sometimes a situation. But why is that McDonald’s responsibility to pay higher wages for entry-level jobs because people fall on hard times?

The truth is McDonald’s has no responsibility whatsoever that this man. You and I, on the other hand, have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy. A responsibility we can not fulfill my railing about businesses not paying people enough money.
Businesses are also people. They’re not just buildings. That means that they, too, have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy.
 
Businesses are also people. They’re not just buildings. That means that they, too, have a personal responsibility to help the poor and needy.
And McDonald’s does. McDonald’s plays a big part in charity. They have the Ronald McDonald house.

You need to separate employment from charity. They are not the same thing.
 
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