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This!!

Everyone thinks they are entitled to a free college education. Obama’s administration is pushing this to the max.

Did you know when a student gets a loan, the money goes to the student, not to the school the student does whatever he wants with the money.

Who is left holding the bag when the student never really attends class, gets no degree, and has 10,000’s $$ in loans? Obama wants to erase them.

We have employees here, working minimum wage jobs, with over $40,000.00 in student loans. Their wages are being garnished to pay off the loans. But Obama wants to forgive them?

How did they end up working cleaning jobs with all their education?
Quite a few countries have free public universities and also have private universities for those with the funding to attend or ability to get scholarships. I think that is something we need here. Badly. An educated public is good for the country as a whole and too many here cannot afford to get an education. Of course, I am not just referring to those who want to go into white collar work, but also those that would do the decently paid blue collar jobs that happen to require a certificate and/or Associates degree.

Free 2 year degrees mean people can work without student loan debt and can pump money into the tax coffers while pumping money into the economy and can pursue advanced degrees, if they wish, while paying for it themselves and supporting themselves and their families.

How do people with education end up working ****** jobs? Easy. Someone publishes a hot jobs list, everyone who goes to some kind of college or university gets a degree to do that job, and by the time they all graduate the market is flooded. Add in companies with indefinite hiring freezes, local, state, and federal job cuts, and business going under. Then add retired people who lost almost everything when the economy tanked and who had to go back to work.

You not only have too many freshly minted workers, you also have a glut of experienced workers competing for the same small number of jobs. Now the newly minted people have to take a **** job that barely pays for the basics and have a boatload of student debt.

Also,if we can bail out Wall Street and the Big 3 we can certainly bail out people who went to college, as the public school system and their parents told them to do, in good faith only to find that the system let them down ( see Wall Street and the Big 3’s ridiculously criminally negligent or just straight criminal behavior and the ripple effect caused).

One of my close friends happens to have a PhD in bio-chem. He wanted to do r and d for a drug company and maybe help people while making a decent living. He worked for different prestigious universities, a pharmaceutical company, and on a government research contract. So, he has real-world experience. He’s teaching high school in the ghetto for less money than my truck driver husband makes. He got the teaching job because he had been unemployed for 2 years, living off savings, and was desperate. And he spent those 2 years papering the world with resumes.

Friends brothers are a physicist and an astronomer. They both had to go overseas to find jobs in their field. Friend could have gone to Germany to work, but he is married and his wife is unwilling to leave the country.

Just for flavor, the friends wife has a Bachelors (business) and is an Iraq War vet. The best job she could get upon being discharged (honorably) is working as a supermarket cashier.
It goes to ambition and discipline.
There’s a reason why that CEO ya’ll have been discussing got where he is. Yes, ambition and discipline played a role, but so did luck. There are a lot of ambitious and hard working people out there with discipline to spare. The problem is that only a small fraction will ever be able to “hit it big”. There simply aren’t enough of those positions to go around. We can’t all be Chief’s. The large majority are going to be Indians.
 
Some companies will train anyone willing to learn the trade. I know quite a few boys who have been going that route rather than even attending community college. They get paid to learn a career and are making good money.
Not so much anymore. At least, not here. We used to have a lot of companies that would pay for education or take someone on as an apprentice. Most companies that used to pay for job-related education have had to cut those programs and apprenticeships are almost unheard of.

I remember about 10 years ago the nursing homes and hospitals would train an applicant with a drivers license and GED or High School Diploma as a Certified Nurses Aid. They’d do the training on site, both classroom and hands-on. Then they’d pay for the state required exams and certificate ($300). Once you worked for them for 6 months you became eligible for paid tuition as long as you were taking classes toward a related degree and agreed to work for a set amount of time (usually 2 years) after earning said degree. I know a few people who got their nursing degrees and went from minimum wage as aids to making decent money as LPN’s that way. Not anymore. 😦
 
There’s a reason why that CEO ya’ll have been discussing got where he is. Yes, ambition and discipline played a role, but so did luck. There are a lot of ambitious and hard working people out there with discipline to spare. The problem is that only a small fraction will ever be able to “hit it big”. There simply aren’t enough of those positions to go around. We can’t all be Chief’s. The large majority are going to be Indians.
This.
 
No need to get snarky, I capitalized for emphasis not to attack. My statement was meant to get people to think outside the box. BTW, how about addressing the substance of my post?
What was the substance of your post? That not getting a college degree limits your employment chances? That working hard has merits? That people who work at low-wage jobs are children of God too? If so, I agree with all of your post.

I just want to know that, since you feel like it is within your power to set a requirement for judging someone, if we meet that requirement, we have your approval to judge.

Just thinking outside the box.

Peace

Tim
 
I just want to know that, since you feel like it is within your power to set a requirement for judging someone, if we meet that requirement, we have your approval to judge.

Just thinking outside the box.

Peace

Tim
:hmmm:
 
What was the substance of your post? That not getting a college degree limits your employment chances? That working hard has merits? That people who work at low-wage jobs are children of God too? If so, I agree with all of your post.

I just want to know that, since you feel like it is within your power to set a requirement for judging someone, if we meet that requirement, we have your approval to judge.

Just thinking outside the box.

Peace

Tim
That is what I got out of the post.
 
What was the substance of your post? That not getting a college degree limits your employment chances? That working hard has merits? That people who work at low-wage jobs are children of God too? If so, I agree with all of your post.

I just want to know that, since you feel like it is within your power to set a requirement for judging someone, if we meet that requirement, we have your approval to judge.

Just thinking outside the box.

Peace

Tim
My point is that persons personal experience and life experiences are different then yours
instead of suggesting what worked for you or speaking from your experience try to take
the view point of that person. it seems to me I’ve struck a nerve, perhaps you’ve never heard this expression or you feel that everyone should judge based on their own criterion?
BYW, DID you experience what the person in parable did?:confused:
 
Quite a few countries have free public universities and also have private universities for those with the funding to attend or ability to get scholarships. I think that is something we need here.
Yes, and we know how well Europe is doing. And that is why we have so many Asians, Indians, etc. going to our universities.
Badly. An educated public is good for the country as a whole and too many here cannot afford to get an education. Of course, I am not just referring to those who want to go into white collar work, but also those that would do the decently paid blue collar jobs that happen to require a certificate and/or Associates degree.
High school education should be adequate. But it’s not. Why? We certainly spend a lot of money on our public school system.
How do people with education end up working ****** jobs? Easy. Someone publishes a hot jobs list, everyone who goes to some kind of college or university gets a degree to do that job, and by the time they all graduate the market is flooded. Add in companies with indefinite hiring freezes, local, state, and federal job cuts, and business going under. Then add retired people who lost almost everything when the economy tanked and who had to go back to work.
I agree. And this is dishonesty on the part of our universities. All they care about is getting t he government money to keep running. They don’t care about their students. They make a big shoe of caring, though. My 58-year old sister is investing in another 60 hours of undergraduate school to become a teach in 3 years. :rolleyes: She already has an undergraduate degree. This university, a Catholic one, has a special program for people like her. :rolleyes: Good luck, sis. :rolleyes:
You not only have too many freshly minted workers, you also have a glut of experienced workers competing for the same small number of jobs. Now the newly minted people have to take a **** job that barely pays for the basics and have a boatload of student debt.
How are you going to fix that? Is raising minimum wage going to fix that. I think not.
There’s a reason why that CEO ya’ll have been discussing got where he is. Yes, ambition and discipline played a role, but so did luck. There are a lot of ambitious and hard working people out there with discipline to spare. The problem is that only a small fraction will ever be able to “hit it big”. There simply aren’t enough of those positions to go around. We can’t all be Chief’s. The large majority are going to be Indians.
Nothing wrong with being an Indian. I’m one.
 
My point is that persons personal experience and life experiences are different then yours
instead of suggesting what worked for you or speaking from your experience try to take
the view point of that person. it seems to me I’ve struck a nerve, perhaps you’ve never heard this expression or you feel that everyone should judge based on their own criterion?
BYW, DID you experience what the person in parable did?:confused:
The reason you haven’t struck any nerves is nobody is sure what the point of your post was.
 
My point is that persons personal experience and life experiences are different then yours
instead of suggesting what worked for you or speaking from your experience try to take
the view point of that person. it seems to me I’ve struck a nerve, perhaps you’ve never heard this expression or you feel that everyone should judge based on their own criterion?
I understand that other people have different life experiences. I don’t feel like I need to judge anyone, I just note that someone who would post the statement “you feel that everyone should judge based on their own criterion” as a way of castigating someone for judging others hasn’t taken time to read what they wrote.

I am familiar with the saying. I have always wanted to ask that question to anyone who uses it.
BYW, DID you experience what the person in parable did?:confused:
No, I finished high school and college, moved 600 miles from home for a job and have been working ever since.

Peace

Tim
 
After a while, it seems hopeless. People decry the system, and then decry attempts made to change the system. Those who struggle…and we all do, I know…can only take so much “oh, well, there’s help out there, you just have to go seize it” or "I worked three jobs, so you can, too!" before they just go numb from people not understanding the circumstances that they’re in, or not wanting to. Ultimately, these discussions seem fruitless; the poor will be poor. Jesus said we’d always have the poor with us, anyway.
Where did anyone say that “you should too.” People are just telling you what they do when they are in dire circumstances.

I sympathize with you. To me it looks like you came here to vent about your situation, which is frustrating and seemingly hopeless.

Understanding your circumstances is not the same as agreeing with the fixes you propose.

Look to Venezuela. That country is a modern day study of what happens when the government artificially raises wages and steals industries from investors.

Jesus also told us to hope in Him.

Read today first Reading from Numbers.
 
My point is that persons personal experience and life experiences are different then yours
instead of suggesting what worked for you or speaking from your experience try to take
the view point of that person. it seems to me I’ve struck a nerve, perhaps you’ve never heard this expression or you feel that everyone should judge based on their own criterion?
BYW, DID you experience what the person in parable did?:confused:
Perhaps you and others here should look beyond yourselves as well, and stop saying we are on our “high horses” and don’t look at the poor “as persons.”

As to trying to take the view of another person, disagreeing with their fixes is not lack of sympathy.
 
Come now, you rich, weep and wail over your impending miseries. Your wealth has rotted away, your clothes have become moth-eaten, your gold and silver have corroded, and that corrosion will be a testimony against you; it will devour your flesh like a fire. You have stored up treasure for the last days. Behold, the wages you withheld from the workers who harvested your fields are crying aloud, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on earth in luxury and pleasure; you have fattened your hearts for the day of slaughter. James 5:1-5

There is reason in that passage of Holy Scriptures to make anyone tremble, isn’t there?The “investor” who has to be paid attention to is the owner of the vineyard, after all, and that is not the Walton family or the stockholders of McDonald’s. It is a good thing to help out enterprises that do beneficial work, and so there is nothing wrong with loaning capital or buying a piece of such an enterprise. When capitalism works right, everyone benefits. If you, the investor, expect to take your profit when you haven’t seen to it that the workers are paid enough to live, though, that is wrong. Your money does not need to get its wage before those who do the work.

It does not matter how much we educate everyone; someone is still going to need to get out in the sun and bring in the crops, someone is going to have the job of collecting the garbage and stocking the shelves and doing the dishes and seeing to it that the carpets are vacuumed and the toilets are cleaned, someone is going to have to mind the machines that make things–someone is going to have to do the manual labor! The manual labor that needs to be done is dignified work, and it deserves just compensation even when it requires more sweat and hustle than skill, particularly when it is work that must be done in order to keep civilization running. It also deserves some respect, and not be called something like a s&%t job. It should not be news to anybody that the whole world is going to turn into a starving stinking wasteland if the people who do those “s&%t” jobs ever stop doing them. And what if we make robots to do that work? That is just fine, but our brothers and sisters will still deserve a dignified place in the world, a way to earn their daily bread that gets them the respect they deserve.
 
Mine started out worse-I ended up working in a slaughterhouse. made me determined to finish my degree and find a nice quiet desk job.
I remember that story. I also remember Ridgerunner using a drawer for a baby bed.
 
Mine started out worse-I ended up working in a slaughterhouse. made me determined to finish my degree and find a nice quiet desk job.
You too?

I worked 5 years at IBP cutting up cows doing the work “Americans won’t do” and graduated without taking out a student loan.
 
You too?

I worked 5 years at IBP cutting up cows doing the work “Americans won’t do” and graduated without taking out a student loan.
Unfortunately I never made it to the cutting up cows part. In fact I never advanced higher than the shoveling guts into a barrel stage.
 
Unfortunately I never made it to the cutting up cows part. In fact I never advanced higher than the shoveling guts into a barrel stage.
My sister actually worked on the bleed floor at the local IBP for a while.
 
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