Wrong to Support LGBT?

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I work with and know a lot of gay people. I’m friendly with them and treat them how I treat everyone else. However, inevitably, they always devolve into talking about their very messed up sexual lives. I, literally, haven’t met a gay guy that didn’t want to delve into TMI and didn’t have weird kinks I never wanted to know about- even the ‘married’ ones. It’s on a level one hardly ever experiences with straight people. The morality is very skewed.
 
CoffeeFanatic said:
. I, literally, haven’t met a gay guy that didn’t want to delve into TMI and didn’t have weird kinks I never wanted to know about- even the ‘married’ ones
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And I literally, have never known a gay guy who did want to delve in to TMI. Married or not.
 
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Out of curiosity, does someone who is in a state of grace have the ability to judge someone who is not? Or is the act of judging necessarily precluded from good Christians?
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Depends on what you mean by “judge.”

If you mean judge their soul: no, we don’t
If you mean judge their actions: yes, we all can (even ppl not in a state of Grace can judge the actions of others)
 
Exactly. Many of the FB sycophants take whatever is pontificated and run with it. It’s like an echo chamber of heterodoxy and dissent. Scary to think some of them might be involved in religious ed, etc.
Many of them probably don’t even know they’re being led astray.
 
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CoffeeFanatic said:
I work with and know a lot of gay people. I’m friendly with them and treat them how I treat everyone else. However, inevitably, they always devolve into talking about their very messed up sexual lives. I, literally, haven’t met a gay guy that didn’t want to delve into TMI and didn’t have weird kinks I never wanted to know about- even the ‘married’ ones. It’s on a level one hardly ever experiences with straight people.
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My experience is the exact opposite. I know a lot of LGBT people, and about a third of my close circle of friends is Gay, but the TMI I have had to deal with has come almost entirely from my straight friends and colleagues.
 
I think a better way to say it is that it is wrong to enable them.
 
Yes, it is amazing how many “Christians” ignore the part about the mote and beam.
 
I guess he tells them what they want to hear with their “itching ears.”
 
No. It is not wrong to support people of the LGBT as a whole. They are a big part of human society and civilization in the different kind of field/(s) they focus on. Let us remember, to uphold the essence of respect and long understanding towards them. They are just like any other ordinary straight people who want to express themselves and has the same special needs which an ordinary person must have. However, also we remember, to test the gravity of support or what kind of support they needed as well as their purpose or purposes of doing it. In other words, as long as they are doing good things with the right purpose and they do not persecute other people just to get what they want then it not bad to treat them right .
 
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You know what I meant when I said that. I was specifically talking about the instances where one departs from prior teaching not because of a development in our understanding of morality (as I believe Pope Francis has referred to it as), but due to trying to be of the world and not just in the world.

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Personally, I think that society’s acceptance of gay people does represent a development in our understanding of morality since a majority of Americans probably don’t consider most of them to be depraved and immoral individuals anymore like they used to. That seems to me to be a pretty big development in most people’s moral understanding. They recognize now that gay men and lesbians just want to marry the person they love and have a happy life like most other people.
 
Then I would posit that the development in morality is in a worse direction. Or rather, a declaration of morality that is not ordered to God is by it’s very nature not a moral statement. Wishing for happiness based on immoral or intrinsically evil actions is by no means a positive situation for anyone involved.
 
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Yes, I’m serious.
I know how it is. In these parties, you see and hear things you don’t want to see and hear. Generally speaking, parties easily tend to be immoral with non religious people with drinking and bad behaviours.
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Are you seriously suggesting that Catholics should never go to parties with non-Catholics???
 
God is the only being to have the right to judge others.
Not judging others does not enable or support them in any way.
I do not have to like another person or like the way they choose to live. But I do not have the right to demonize them just because I do not like them or like the way they choose to live.
We are here to give God all praise and glory. And to love and to serve one another as brothers and sisters.
 
Thorolfr said:
Personally, I think that society’s acceptance of gay people does represent a development in our understanding of morality since a majority of Americans probably don’t consider most of them to be depraved and immoral individuals anymore like they used to. That seems to me to be a pretty big development in most people’s moral understanding. They recognize now that gay men and lesbians just want to marry the person they love and have a happy life like most other people.
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Perfect. That’s almost exactly what I always say.

Maybe 60 years ago people didn’t know gays in their community, or at least didn’t know they were gay. Gays were “out there” somewhere.

But now there’s a greater chance somebody’s met the gay couple at the company picnic or somewhere else, and they see for themselves that they’re responsible citizens and respected members of the community, not these filthy child molesters that hang around the grammar school looking for little boys.
 
You seem to be equating judging and demonizing. That is in itself a judgment.
 
I am doing neither.
Remember when Jesus was asked if the woman caught in adultry should be stoned to death? He said, let the person without sin cast the first stone.
Throughout his life, he preached love and forgiveness. He taught that we should not speak ill of others.
But so many “good Christians” seem to believe they need to tell others how to conduct themselves.
Let us all take care of our own sins. Let others take care of their sins.
 
I highly recommend reading the link provided to me above. It shows how Christ did not exhort us to not judge, but to judge correctly. Even your statement of letting others deal with their own sin seems to fly in the face of biblical principle.
 
Judging correctly would be to not judge another person.
Seems like I read in the Bible about removing the plank of wood from your own eye before trying to remove the splinter from another person’s eye.
 
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