Wrong to Support LGBT?

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Thorolfr said:
Personally, I think that society’s acceptance of gay people does represent a development in our understanding of morality since a majority of Americans probably don’t consider most of them to be depraved and immoral individuals anymore like they used to. That seems to me to be a pretty big development in most people’s moral understanding. They recognize now that gay men and lesbians just want to marry the person they love and have a happy life like most other people.
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I wouldn’t call it a “moral development,” I would call it a “moral setback.”

I THINK the reasons why so many have become ok with homosexual acts is because a vast majority of people in the developed world are/were committing sexual sins themselves.

If a husband and wife are committing sodomy with each other, then it becomes hard for them to consider sodomy to be wrong.

If a married couple committed a lot of fornication before getting married, then it’s often hard for them to admit that fornication is bad.

Too many people don’t really know what a hypocrite is. Some people think because they committed fornication when they were young (even if they now know it is sinful) they incorrectly think it would make them a hypocrite to tell someone not to fornicate.

I also, think the number of divorces also play in to this. What percentage of divorsed people commit fornication? I would argue a high percentage.

Finally, since the vast majority of the western world no longer understands the primary reason for marriage (to rear children), and mistakenly think it’s primarily all about the couple’s happiness - this greatly contributes. It’s what I call the “Don’t worry, be happy” heresy.

In other words, because the vast majority of heterosexual people are/were committing sexual sins, they feel it makes it makes them hypocritical to deny sex to homosexuals.

God Bless
 
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People keep saying this, but in reality, it is not true.

How many people actually know/see what “actions” their friends are doing?
Or complete strangers, for that matter.
No, we judge, especially when it comes to gay issues, solely on our assumptions and presumptions that all people who identify as gay are also promiscuous and out to “convert” unsuspecting young people to their “side”.

It is not my place to speak to anyone regarding actions I do not see. That is the height of presumption.
 
I think so. If we did not support anyone that is considered a “sinner” then we would have no one in our lives at all. We are not called to judge others, no are we in a position to do so. We are here to love and support each other in this life.
 
CilladeRoma said:
People keep saying this, but in reality, it is not true.

How many people actually know/see what “actions” their friends are doing?
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Question for you:

Let’s say your good friend or a family member is cheating on his wife.

Do you say nothing so he doesn’t feel that you are “judging him” or do you attempt to correct his behavior by talking with him?
 
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How do I know?
If the person who is cheating tells me they are, yes, they would get it with both barrels. If it was something I just suspected, then no, I would keep my mouth shut.
 
CilladeRoma said:
How do I know?
If the person who is cheating tells me they are, yes, they would get it with both barrels. If it was something I just suspected, then no, I would keep my mouth shut.
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OK…

And what if you saw him out with a woman (who wasn’t his wife) for a fancy dinner (which MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS MEETING), however, they were a little too touchy feely for a business meeting - it frankly looked a little too romantic…

What would you do then? Would you say something just to make sure he still has his head on straight? Or would you pretend to not have seen anything simply because you don’t know what happened or didn’t happen behind closed doors?
 
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YourNameHere said:
First and foremost, it is not up to us to judge others in any matter. That is left to God.
We should support our brothers and sisters in this life. Hate the sin, but love the sinner.
I would say support anyone who is being denied life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Our purpose in life here on earth is to praise and give glory to God, and to love one another as brothers and sisters.
It is our challenge to do this in all that we say and do.
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Just to be clear, we are not to judge the state of another’s soul, but we most certainly are to judge other’s actions in a loving and caring way to help them achieve everlasting salvation (heaven), so if we see someone sinning, we are called to gently let them know. It’s why parents correct their children when they are doing something that could harm them. THAT is what love the sinner, hate the sin really means! The problem that arises, is that people do not correct others with love, they do so with pride and a sense of being better than the other person, when in fact we are all sinners.
 
It would depend. Who is this person to me? Am I willing to jeopardize my friendship with them by assuming something?
I have had this happen to me. Someone saw me having dinner with a man who was not my husband. They told my husband they saw me cheating on him, laughing, carrying-on with some other guy.
Well, that other guy was my best friend from the 1st grade. We have been friends for more than 40 years. My husband was not amused with his friend’s assumptions. They are no longer friends.
So, I would be very careful about saying anything to anyone, unless I had concrete proof of any wrong-doing.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
It would depend. Whobis this,person to me? Am I willing to jeopardize my friendship with them by assuming something?
I have had this happen to me. Someone saw me having dinner with a man who was not my husband. They told my husband they saw me cheating on him, laughing, carrying-on with spme other guy.
Well, that other guy was my best friend from the 1st grade. We have been friends for more than 40 years. My husband was not amused with his friend’s assumptions. They are no longer friends.
So, I would be very careful about saying anything to anyone, unless I had concrete proof of any wrong-doing.
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Well first of all, that person should have come to YOU about their suspicions and not your husband. I’m so sorry that happened to you. That was totally wrong of them. The goal should be to make sure you are attempting to help the save the marriage, not wreck it. So that person was totally wrong.

Anyway, my example was a good friend or family member. If you had the gut feeling that a friend or family member was cheating would you approach the potential cheater and discuss it with them? Even if you were beating around the bush for while to gage what you thought you saw?

Personally, I would - and if I was wrong, I would hope that we could laugh it off. HOWEVER, I surely would NOT ever tell the spouse, as that would NOT be my place - even if the spouse was my best friend or sibling.

God bless
 
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CilladeRoma said:
Am I willing to jeopardize my friendship with them by assuming something?
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BTW - if you are jeopardizing your friendship with a friend by asking them if they are happy in their marriage and making sure they are not thinking about cheating on their spouse; then (at least to me) they don’t sound like a good friend.

Good friends should be able to have such frank discussions and continue to remain friends.
 
phil19034 said:
Personally, I would - and if I was wrong, I would hope that we could laugh it off.
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I would not be that friend.
In fact, I would be highly insulted if someone approached me with a suspicion like that.
I would not just “laugh it off” and my friendship with said person would never be the same.
 
Why would that be any of my business to bring up in a conversation?

If a friend brings something up, I will listen and give my opinion if asked. I will not be the one to broach the subject.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
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phil19034:
Personally, I would - and if I was wrong, I would hope that we could laugh it off.
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I would not be that friend.
In fact, I would be highly insulted if someone approached me with a suspicion like that.
I would not just “laugh it off” and my friendship with said person would never be the same.
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Well, I honestly think that’s one of the differences between men and women. Boys/men can literally get in a fist fight with a friend and literally draw blood, then get a ice cream / beer and laugh about it an hour later.

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CilladeRoma said:
Why would that be any of my business to bring up in a conversation?

If a friend brings something up, I will listen and give my opinion if asked. I will not bw thw one to broach the subject.
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Because love is wanting the good for the other for the other’s sake.

When I love my friends, I would do such a thing for their own sake. To me, not saying something would be no different than watching a kid playing too close to a cliff. I would say something whenever I saw something that was potentially physically, spiritually, or emotionally dangerous.

Of course, need to have tact, but I would find a way (even if it took me weeks).

God Bless
 
I don’t think that Jesus meant that I should assume the worst about someone and confront them with my assumptions with absolutely no proof of any wrong-doing.
 
CilladeRoma said:
I don’t think that Jesus meant that I should assume the worst about someone and confront them with my assumptions with absolutely no proof of any wrong-doing.
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I agree. But I also don’t think Jesus would want us to ignore our intuition either. There are ways of handling situations without being “judgy” and without making a situation worse.

We just have to pray for the wisdom to do & say the right things.
 
Yes, it is ridiculous, but that is exactly the attitude I was replying to.

Hubby and the guy were co-workers/friends for about 20 years.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
Yes, it is ridiculous, but that is exactly the attitude I was replying to.

Hubby and the guy were co-workers/friends for about 20 years.
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Again, that was HORRIBLE. If he honestly thought you were cheating, he should have approached you and not your husband.

A person should never tell a friend that their spouse is cheating on them.
 
Evidence being the key word.

If I knew, without a doubt, that someone I knew and loved was indeed committing a grave sin, yes, I would say something.

If it was only a suspicion, and I had no actual evidence, then I would just keep my mouth shut.
 
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