Young Earth Creationists vs Old Earth Creationists

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No, it’s a sticking point in my joining the Lutheran LCMS church.
 
Why? What would be the point in simulating a past history billions of years long?
 
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Ok why is this topic closing in 2 days?
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No one really knows but I would assume it’s because creationism topics end up being very heated. It was so bad according to older members the topic was banned on the old CAF.
I think you can ask the moderator to change the “locking mechanism” and keep this thread open for the regular 14 days since last comment. The moderator may or may not agree with your request.
 
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But maybe he didn’t. Maybe Adam evolved, which, again, it’s ok for Catholics to believe in evolution.
 
I talked to her and she basically said that since I’ve had three other threads about this topic this year, (one actually was different) my question can be answered in two days. Or something like that.
 
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There are flat earth Christians out there too. I guess they are flat earth creationists.
 
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Can you tell me why you think this, despite all the evidence and scientists who are against it?
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For one thing I attended a Kolbe lecture organised by one of the most serious minded and orthodox priests I have ever known, completely unafraid to speak about moral issues that most would balk from. Theologian and learned in science too. The lecture overturned my devotion to Darwin and from there I read a Creation book by again, a very tradition minded and orthodox writer who overturned objections to old earth. He is old school Catholic. Not progressive if you see what I mean. I’ll get the title later and post it here.
 
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Sorry I should have added. The last few chapters of this book are in depth on Catholic teaching and also explain why atheism is so easily bred from Darwinism. Darwinism to me is inseparable from theory of universe taking literally millions of years to create. It all made pretty good sense to me.
 
If all human beings are descended from the same man, he would have lived a lot longer ago than 6,000-10,000 years ago. The most recent common ancestor for all Y chromosomal haplogroups is estimated to have lived 200,000 to 300,000 years ago.
 
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They’ve welcomed me with open arms knowing I believe the earth to be billions of years old, but it bothers me that their position is that the earth is 6000 to 10,000 years old.
 
That’s interesting. And food for thought. Thomas Ball care to comment?
 
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Well, you might have died from polio a long time ago, among many, many other examples. Your life would be radically different.

Knowledge is highly interconnected and our understanding of the age of the earth, animals, time periods, etc, all relates to medicine, pathology immunolgy, energy, mining, geology, meteorology, biology, chemistry, physics, and a number of other subjects.

You can technically compartmentalize the brain to believe a non-truth, but it isn’t healthy for you.
 
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I don’t know much about what old world people base their theories on. In a kind of way isn’t it like saying you know exactly what happened when the universe was made, when you weren’t there? it’s not like research you can do with living cells in a petri dish or looking at dna bands on a gel. No one can really know.
The church has not said we must believe in Darwinism or old earth theories. Some of the holiest and brightest people I know don’t believe these theories. That aside, prominent atheists definitely do believe them.
There is a pattern methinks
 
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Creation Rediscovered: Evolution and the Importance of the Origins Debate

Book by Gerard J. Keane
 
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According to a Catholic Answers page, Catholics ARE allowed to believe in cosmological evolution, biological evolution, and human evolution.
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Point of clarification. The evolution that Catholics are allowed to beleive in is “divine evolution.” Meaning: we see it as evolution, but it is all part of God’s design.

Catholics are not allowed to believe in “atheistic evolution” - that is evolution with no God.
 
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No. I don’t think God would have created fossil remains of plants and animals that never really existed, nor geological evidence of past events that never happened. It would be dishonest and not something that would be characteristic of God.

That’s not to say He couldn’t have simply “poofed” the Earth into existence - or “poofed” life onto the planet. But it does not compute that He would create an entirely fake history.

God Bless
 
Thanks Frankie! I’m going to try to get that book.
 
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