Your Top 3 Reasons for Drop in Mass Attendance?

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Why don’t people come to Mass? The baptised are not getting married in religious ceremonies, let alone feeling a specific connection to their own denomination, they’re not having their children baptised, they don’t believe in sin, they don’t pray at regular times during the day…why would it be any surprise that they don’t see any particular need for the Mass?

Compared to my childhood:
  1. There is a relatively low belief that worship is a necessary means to holiness, let alone an obligation. Formal religion itself is held suspect, as likely to be a spiritual obstacle as a spiritual help. Religion is not regarded as the source of saints, but as the source of wars and strife. In my childhood, people believed that willfully neglecting one’s Sunday obligation or Holy Day obligation was a mortal sin. Now, I would actually give odds that more people believe that the people who go to church are are more likely than the general population to be neurotics who go because they’re afraid of hell or hypocrites who just want to feel they’re better than everyone else. The idea that formal worship is something God even wants, let alone something that God deserves, is far less widely held. Of those who do believe God deserves worship, the belief is relativistic: how you worship is between you and God, and the proof of the value of your spiritual practice is whether or not you are a “nice” and/or “well-adjusted” person.
  2. **Of those who place a value on formal worship, far fewer consider Sundays and Holy Days to be unique days of rest and worship. ** The blue laws are gone. The stores are open on Sunday, business goes on as usual. There is a high value placed on accomplishment of projects and a low value placed on the idea that both people and the earth need a time of fallowness. Even people who attend Mass may defend it as “giving God an hour a week”, as if all their time didn’t belong to God!
  3. Those who recognize a need for rest look at getting up and going to Sunday Mass as an obstacle to a relaxing “weekend”. Saturday nights are times to go out for entertainment that goes late, while Sunday mornings are times to sleep in and then have a leisurely breakfast, watch the game, and so on. Even those who attend Mass on Holy Days often draw the line when it means going to Mass two days in a row. (Ask a parish priest how Mass attendance for the last Sunday of Advent differs when Christmas falls on a Monday instead of a Thursday.)
IOW, I think the real reason tragically goes far deeper than a lack of belief in the True Presence. I think there has been an enormous erosion in belief that humans are in the need of religion, let alone redemption, and in the depth of that need. Among those who do recognize that every human is a reclamation project and that religion is built into the human psyche, the belief among the baptised that Jesus Christ is uniquely necessary for the reclamation of a soul is declining.
 
In my mind, rationalizations about having other things to do or the mass not being entertaining enough do not get to the root cause of poor mass attendance.

The bottom line is that people simply do not
a) believe in God
b) Love God even if they believe in him
c) recognize that going to mass is an act of love and reverence to God

. . . . .
THIS.

Why do I have to attend mass if I don’t want to go? I’ve got lots of things I’d rather be doing. And if God really wanted Me to attend mass he’d call Me up and ask me to be there on Sunday.
  1. The individual has primacy;
  2. Regardless of whether he or she believes in God, there is no acknowledgement of an obligation to follow God’s laws and do good works . . . unless it’s convenient and sufficiently acknowledged by one’s peers.
  3. Heresy. Why should I go to mass if the only requirement for a full and complete spiritual life is to “believe?”
Pax,
OA
 
#1 A cultural disconnect between the faith and the people. Especially today that more people are Americanized even though they are not Americans. People from very Christian cultures are disconnected from their cultural heritage which includes the Christian faith. Cultural affiliation to a faith helps people keep faith traditions even though they themselves become lukewarm to the faith, which gives them an opportunity at some point in the future to return to the faith fully rather than what is happening today which is a complete abandonment of faith.
 
Yes, vontroster! People can begin to think that they only have an obligation to go if their parish Mass meets their “standards”, and are relieved of their obligation if it doesn’t. If the clergy fall into the temptation to tailor their liturgies to what they think the local “consumers” want, the situation gets even worse. Look at Letter #16 from C.S. Lewis’ The Screwtape Letters:

MY DEAR WORMWOOD,
Code:
You mentioned casually in your last letter that the patient has continued to attend one church, and one only, since he was converted, and that he is not wholly pleased with it. May I ask what you are about? Why have I no report on the causes of his fidelity to the parish church? Do you realize that unless it is due to indifference it is a very bad thing? Surely you know that if a man can't be cured of churchgoing, the next best thing is to send him all over the neighborhood looking for the church that "suits" him until he becomes a taster or connoisseur of churches.

 The reasons are obvious. In the first place the parochial organization should always be attacked, because, being a unity of place and not of likings, it brings people of different classes and psychology together in the kind of unity the Enemy desires. The congregational principle, on the other hand, makes each church into a kind of club, and finally, if all goes well, into a coterie or faction. In the second place, the search for a "suitable" church makes the man a critic where the Enemy wants him to be a pupil. What He wants of the layman in church is an attitude which may, indeed, be critical in the sense of rejecting what is false or unhelpful, but which is wholly uncritical in the sense that it does not appraise—does not waste time in thinking about what it rejects, but lays itself open in uncomment, humble receptivity to any nourishment that is going. (You see how groveling, how unspiritual, how irredeemably vulgar He is!) This attitude, especially during sermons, creates the condition (most hostile to our whole policy) in which platitudes can become really audible to a human soul. There is hardly any sermon, or any book, which may not be dangerous to us if it is received in this temper. So pray bestir yourself and send this fool the round of the neighboring churches as soon as possible. Your record up to date has not given us much satisfaction.

 The two churches nearest to him, I have looked up in the office. Both have certain claims. At the first of these the Vicar is a man who has been so long engaged in watering down the faith to make it easier for supposedly incredulous and hard-headed congregation that it is now he who shocks his parishioners with his unbelief, not vice versa. He has undermined many a soul's Christianity. His conduct of the services is also admirable. In order to spare the laity all "difficulties" he has deserted both the lectionary and the appointed psalms and now, without noticing it, revolves endlessly round the little treadmill of his fifteen favorite psalms and twenty favorite lessons. We are thus safe from the danger that any truth not already familiar to him and to his flock should over reach them through Scripture. But perhaps your patient is not quite silly enough for this church—or not yet?

 At the other church we have Fr. Spike. The humans are often puzzled to understand the range of his opinions—why he is one day almost a Communist and the next not far from some kind of theocratic Fascism—one day a scholastic, and the next prepared to deny human reason altogether—one day immersed in politics, and, the day after, declaring that all states of us world are equally "under judgment". We, of course, see the connecting link, which is Hatred. The man cannot bring himself to teach anything which is not calculated to mock, grieve, puzzle, or humiliate his parents and their friends. A sermon which such people would accept would be to him as insipid as a poem which they could scan. There is also a promising streak of dishonesty in him; we are teaching him to say "The teaching of the Church is" when he really means "I'm almost sure I read recently in Maritain or someone of that sort". But I must warn you that he has one fatal defect: he really believes. And this may yet mar all.

 But there is one good point which both these churches have in common—they are both party churches. **I think I warned you before that if your patient can't be kept out of the Church, he ought at least to be violently attached to some party within it.** I don't mean on really doctrinal issues; about those, the more lukewarm he is the better. And it isn't the doctrines on which we chiefly depend for producing malice. The real fun is working up hatred between those who say "mass" and those who say "holy communion" when neither party could possibly state the difference between, say, Hooker's doctrine and Thomas Aquinas', in any form which would hold water for five minutes. And all the purely indifferent things—candles and clothes and what not— are an admirable ground for our activities. We have quite removed from men's minds what that pestilent fellow Paul used to teach about food and other unessentials—namely, that the human without scruples should always give in to the human with scruples. You would think they could not fail to see the application. You would expect to find the "low" churchman genuflecting and crossing himself lest the weak conscience of his "high" brother should be moved to irreverence, and the "high" one refraining from these exercises lest he should betray his "low" brother into idolatry. And so it would have been but for our ceaseless labor. Without that the variety of usage within the Church of England might have become a positive hotbed of charity and humility,
Your affectionate uncle
SCREWTAPE
 
Lack of faith, the fruit of

1 - Communion in the hand

2 - The Pauline Mass

3 - Lack of sermons on Hell

Some Catholics are not hindered by the above, but many are.
 
I am put off by the almost mechanical severity of members from groups like the FSSP/ICKSP when they celebrate the Mass. It does seem at times that the Sacrifice is an after thought – that following the rubrics to robotic accuracy is the ultimate desire.
How insulting and judgemental. Yet you get insulted when someone says Novus Ordo?

How does it seem that the sacrifice is an afterthought?
 
  1. unfriendliness
  2. asking for money while already rich
  3. generic “don’t offend anyone” preaching
 
  1. unfriendliness
  2. asking for money while already rich
  3. ** generic “don’t offend anyone” preaching**
For those strong in the Faith, those homilies are not that damaging. But for the lukewarm, they do no good at all imo.
 
  1. unfriendliness
  2. asking for money while already rich
  3. generic “don’t offend anyone” preaching
If you believed that Jesus was really present in the eucharist and that by partaking of the eucharist you would be strengthened in your ability to love, you would easily overlook any unfriendliness, money would be no object and you would still be able to extract some truth out of even the poorest of sermons.
 
If you believed that Jesus was really present in the eucharist and that by partaking of the eucharist you would be strengthened in your ability to love, you would easily overlook any unfriendliness, money would be no object and you would still be able to extract some truth out of even the poorest of sermons.
That is true of those who have strong faith. But to those who don’t, those reasons she listed can be valid.

jmo
 
If you believed that Jesus was really present in the eucharist and that by partaking of the eucharist you would be strengthened in your ability to love, you would easily overlook any unfriendliness, money would be no object and you would still be able to extract some truth out of even the poorest of sermons.
Except that we are human beings and God knows we are human beings. We are social creatures. We are affected by what enters through our senses.
 
  1. unfriendliness
  2. asking for money while already rich
  3. generic “don’t offend anyone” preaching
Though I’ve never really experienced #1, I don’t even understand #2.

I’ve yet to come across a “rich” parish. And it’s not as if the Church hoardes money , which is in stark contrast to the Baptist churches that I once attended. There is no government or non-governmental organization or religion that does more for the world’s sick and poor than the Catholic Church. Period.

The fact that the Vatican, a sovereign country with a monarchial government, has grand churches an museums is fitting and proper.

Pax,
OA
 
You haven’t come across a rich parish? Well, welcome to my area.

You have a right to your opinion. However, I DO not think it’s fitting and proper to be taking up two collections every mass , the second one being for many different things, WHILE the priests who pastor the parish enjoy themselves on an expensive bahama cruise (which is a gambling cruise and not for Bible study or teaching purposes).

While others are invited to attend (per parish bulletin) for the expensive price of the week long cruise, many of us wouldn’t even be able to consider it due to being out of work or barely making our bills.

A church offering these kind of “parish activities” certainly doesn’t need my meager tithe. They have plenty of money if they have enough surplus for these things.

So, I have explained number 2 for you.
 
Lack of faith, the fruit of

1 - Communion in the hand
Do you include Pope Benedict in this assessment? Also, the many good bishops and priests of the Church of decades past?
2 - The Pauline Mass
You mean the Mass of the past 4 popes, the bishops and the clergy of the Church, including millions of the laity?
3 - Lack of sermons on Hell
Perhaps it is a lack of sermons on the joys of Heaven, huh?

According to your reasons, the Church Herself is the source of the “lack of faith.”
 
=ElToro;8336025]What do you think are the 3 main reasons for a drop in Mass attendance (if that’s indeed the case) over the past 40+ years in your diocese/parish. In mine I believe:
1.) Lack of reverence and solemnity. We now treat the sacred as if it were the ordinary.
2.) Increased compeitition – secular life, Protestantism, non-Christian beliefs, etc.
3.) Poor preaching.
Your points are certainly part of the problem.
  1. Removal of Communion rails and ALL that it led too
  2. Communion in the hand [are we REALLY to touch and HOLD God in our hands?]
  3. [NOW] very ordinary ministers of God Himself:o
God Bless,
Pat
 
If all of these things are happening then why isn’t the Vatican/Pope doing anything about it. Or they could be and I’m jut not aware of it? But for me I would love for their to be altar rails and kneeling at communion, that’s very much something I miss about the Anglo-Catholic church I went to. I went with my friend to the Live Mass(?) last Sunday and I hate to say it but I didn’t care for it AT ALL. There was no reverence, there was a praise band, and the teens who were there just fooled around the entire time. I sincerely hope it’s not like this everywhere!!
 
=NorthTexan88;8337778]If all of these things are happening then why isn’t the Vatican/Pope doing anything about it. Or they could be and I’m jut not aware of it? But for me I would love for their to be altar rails and kneeling at communion, that’s very much something I miss about the Anglo-Catholic church I went to. I went with my friend to the Live Mass(?) last Sunday and I hate to say it but I didn’t care for it AT ALL. There was no reverence, there was a praise band, and the teens who were there just fooled around the entire time. I sincerely hope it’s not like this everywhere!!
***First My friend allow me to offer you the opportunity of in depth one on one coversation of any Catholic Faith issue; just send me a private Message.

Be assured that our Pope and the Magisterium have made numerous attempts to correct and improve our Liturgy. Before too long ALL of us will see introducted a GREAT many changes in the TEXT of the Mass to a far more pious application.

Many efforts over the past 40 to 50 years have been ignored or played down. Stll God is in Charge; and God will accomplish His Will, and MANY souls will benefit.

God Bless you,
Pat***
 
Yet you get insulted when someone says Novus Ordo?
I caught the ICK part but even some traditionalists get that wrong. They are officially the Institutum Christi Regis Summi Sacerdotis (ICRSS); they have apostolates in the U.S. and Italy. I doubt if they call them the ICK in the latter country.
 
You haven’t come across a rich parish? Well, welcome to my area.

You have a right to your opinion. However,** I DO not think it’s fitting and proper to be taking up two collections every mass , the second one being for many different things, WHILE the priests who pastor the parish enjoy themselves on an expensive bahama cruise (which is a gambling cruise and not for Bible study or teaching purposes).**

While others are invited to attend (per parish bulletin) for the expensive price of the week long cruise, many of us wouldn’t even be able to consider it due to being out of work or barely making our bills.

A church offering these kind of “parish activities” certainly doesn’t need my meager tithe. They have plenty of money if they have enough surplus for these things.

So, I have explained number 2 for you.
The parish priests get a salary from the archdiocese. His spending money does not come from the parish collection. It is possible that a wealthy parishioner may have paid for his trip.
 
From what I have overheard at my K of C meetings regarding my parish
  1. Awful singing
  2. monotone priest
  3. too many Filipinos
(I did not say this, this is just what I overheard.)
 
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