You're the Church. Young people are leaving in droves. What do you do?

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@snarflemike Could a smoker addicted to nicotine work at a Catholic school as a teacher?
 
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Lifeisbeautiful3 said:
Could a smoker addicted to nicotine work at a Catholic school as a teacher?
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I would ask in any such example A) does the behavior correspond to grave sin? B) is it ongoing? C) is there a defiant lack of repentance or recognition that the behavior goes against Church teaching, and D) is it public, so that others, especially those who might be most influenced, are exposed to the behavior and the defiance?
 
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Smoking is a yes to those, except, perhaps, grave
 
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But this all stemmed from a homosexual relationship. It’s similarly unlikely that the teacher at a Catholic school would flaunt that…
 
I have no idea what the details are. I’m just stating the criteria by which I would think that these things should be judged.
 
That message got flagged? Goodness. Proving my point, really.
 
JanetF said:
Actually they need to defend the teachings of the church and the faith by doing this MORE. People who can’t live by the faith, shouldn’t expect the Church to accommodate them.
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How do you police it? I worked at a Catholic High School for 3yrs. By definition (I’m not Catholic), I can’t live by the faith. Should they have never hired me (actually sought me out)?
JanetF said:
These are teachers at Catholic schools, who are signing contracts agreeing to terms and conditions therein. Anyone else who breaks a contract could expect to get fired, so…
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Did they post that this was indeed in the contract (honest question)? When I was brought on:

School: Are you Catholic?
Me: No
School: Are you OK with praying before games.
Me: Ya, that’s fine.
School: Sign here please.
 
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TC3033 said:
These are teachers at Catholic schools, who are signing contracts agreeing to terms and conditions therein. Anyone else who breaks a contract could expect to get fired, so…
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This is a bit more complicated because the school in question receives public funds, paid for by tax dollars.

And also by the fact that the school does not require its teachers to be Catholic, so it is impossible for the school to argue that it considers its teachers to be in a ministerial position.

Both of these things make it difficult for the school to claim a ministerial exemption from from laws prohibiting discrimination in the workplace.
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GEddie said:
Meanwhile, the Muslims, who have no sympathy whatsoever for that stuff, are drinking our milkshake. Worldwide.
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Just ran into this. Seems they aren’t doing as well as you’ve been lead to believe. Without the sword or intense social pressure maybe all faiths have this issue these days.

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Smokers are not a protected group, a business/school/etc may have a policy that they do not hire tobacco users. I would imagine if such a policy were put in place, the existing employees would have cessation assistance and a time frame (you have 1 year to stop using tobacco).

Businesses “discriminate” against smokers every day.
 
catholic03 said:
No one really cares about the afterlife. At least 3/4 of people my age are atheist.
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Then that, to me, is the root of the problem. What is the point of being Catholic (or any Christian denomination, for that matter) if one does not believe that there is an afterlife? The resurrection is the root of our beliefs. As St. Paul said in 1 Corinthians, if there is no resurrection, then we have believed in vain.
catholic03 said:
They love to talk about the abuse scandal. A common way to refute my arguments seems to be that it is the fault of the Church that some priests fell short of the gospel.
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One possible way to refute their refutations would be to point out that 2+2 will always equal 4, no matter the personal faults of the math teacher grading the math tests.
 
RealisticCatholic said:
For starters, stop doing this kind of thing:

Indianapolis Star

Cathedral High School terminates gay teacher to stay in Indianapolis Archdiocese​

Cathedral High School is firing a gay teacher to avoid conflict with the Archdiocese of Indianapolis.

In an age when most young people have LGBT friends, or at least know of someone — like the teacher they admire — the church needs to seriously consider how it is accompanying such people. I’m willing to bet actions like the above are definitely distancing people from the Faith.
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Except that the teacher is publicly thumbing his nose at Church teaching. The Church may be the only voice telling the young people, “No, this is wrong, and we mean it”.
 
Like my question up thread: What was in his contract. When I signed on the dotted line I was just asked if I was Catholic: No, you ok with praying before games…sure…OK, please sign here.

Maybe I missed something in the article…but…it soundedlike the school could have kept him but they decided on the side of money and tax status…right? They made it sound like their hands were tied in the form of funding and losing their tax exemption.
 
Y’all might be overthinking this…seems likely to me that young people are leaving because they don’t believe that what The Church teaches is true.
 
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