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Somehow the cops in Kenosha did not have it but the DA does. Sounds like you pick and choose which professionals “have it” based on your political leanings.
‘Fire Tucker Carlson’: Fox News Host Condemned for Comments on Deadly Shooting of Kenosha Protesters
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So is the imprisonment of a million Uighurs. Want to blame him for that too? How about hurricane Laura and the outbreak of plague in the southwest?
Truth is, the violence is all going on in places controlled by Democrats; Democrats who actually encouraged the rioters, as in Seattle, where the mayor encouraged mob takeover of a portion of a city that was supposed to be governed by her office and that of the city council. She called it a “summer of love” notwithstanding the shootings, burnings, lootings and killings.
And when Trump offered federal help to restore law and order, every one of those Democrat mayors refused it. They even refused to protect federal buildings, so Trump sent federal officers to protect them from the arsonists and would-be killers of those inside the buildings. And of course the Democrat media blamed Trump for doing that. Should have let the mob burn them down and kill the people inside.
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And again, include the latter part of my “if/then” proposition. If Trump has nothing to do with the present breakdown of civic order, then he should not run on the promise that he will fix it.
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I think that would better be expressed:
If Biden’s party encouraged and tolerated burnings, lootings and killings and did nothing to stop them, then Biden should condemn them and call out his party for its complicity.
But he doesn’t of course because he wants the public to believe he will turn off the Democrat-encouraged violence ONLY if the public supinely elects him.
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WingedHussar
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Electoral blackmail on a grand scale. At this point, the Democrat Party is a fundamentally anti-American and illegitimate criminal organization.
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WingedHussar
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You know that of course based on your expertise in use of force training, police procedure and intimate knowledge with the totality of the circumstances right? Mind sharing your certifications, or are you engaging in the internet lawyering that you disdain?
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Ridgerunner
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One really is reminded of the brown shirts and the early Bolsheviks, who fomented violence on the streets, eventually cowing the populace with their claim that only they could stop it.
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The freikorps were a response to communist insurrections in Weimar Germany.
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Who as some have said don’t have unilateral control of the police force. This isn’t the world of hypotheticals. This is real life.
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But the Freikorps, or some of them anyway, became Nazis who ultimately drove the communists from the streets. The Freikorps actually was trying to prevent communist takeover. The Nazis used it as an excuse to terrify the whole population.
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Not an excuse, since communists did attempt a revolution. So lesson is that if you do not want Nazis taking over, defeat the communists preemptively.
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I am still waiting to see the evidence that a) the police union is racist and b) that they direct operations of the police force.
I am particularly interested in knowing how “systemic racism” manages to be so dominant when most big city police chiefs are black. In some, like NYC most of the force is non-white. And yet, we’re supposed to believe they’re afflicted with “systemic racism”. Just another big lie from the left.
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Did the police see it happen?
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Said man had a history of fighting the police, was currently resisting arrest and reaching into his vehicle where he had a weapon. Of course you left those facts out because they did not support your biases. Kyle on the other hand attempted to surrender to the police, who acted on imperfect intel at the time.
Though to be fair, if people were not rioting over a rapist and woman-beater, none of this would have happened.
Though to be fair, if people were not rioting over a rapist and woman-beater, none of this would have happened.
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Well, that might be helpful. The source for this is what?
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The taser failed, while dogpiling, chokeholds, and delivering a beatdown are bad optics now. So please explain based on your expertise and training how they should have handled it.
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Gotcha, so you admit that you have no training and no expertise, but are armed with a mere opinion which jives with your political biases.
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I never claimed expertise, I just encouraged you to actually research the relevant issues for yourself. I have no idea why someone would be so hostile to that, especially when discussing the affairs of a government that relies on an informed citizenry making decisions.
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It is controlled by the mayor. He is the elected official. If the police department is racist, it is the mayor’s doing.
Absolutely, but it starts with elected officials.
By the way, I think the charged of institutional racism is a lie, but if it is true, Republicans need to fight it just like they did when Democrats ran their Jim Crow oppression.
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Actually, the police union has final say on which officers are retained or disciplined by the police department. And the city cannot legally disband a certified union in the state of Minnesota. The city is currently exploring its legal options in order to address the police reform long overdue here.
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Abolishing the police won’t get rid of the police union, under court ruling • Minnesota Reformer
Even if the Minneapolis City Council succeeds in getting voters to allow it to replace the Police Department in 2021, it may wind up with the same cops represented by the same police union, or risk breaking state law.
minnesotareformer.com
The evidence for Kroll’s racism is extensive, and the following are the highlights:
- A 2008 lawsuit brought by Chief Arondondo and several other officers against the union and the president of the police union was expressly done so due to discrimination against black officers. Black officers were not promoted as frequently as white officers were, and were targeted for much harsher penalties for similar discipline issues by white counterparts. The city of Minneapolis paid $740K to settle.
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Minneapolis police chief once filed racial discrimination lawsuit against boss
The controversial head of the Minneapolis police union — who called the protests over George Floyd’s death a “terrorist movement” — was once accused of racism in a law…
nypost.com
- Kroll is a long-time member of a biker club - City Heat Motorcycle Club - which has long been identified as harboring and promoting white supremacists. He, himself, has been caught wearing white supremacist patches.
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https://www.adl.org/sites/default/f...bating-hate/ADL_CR_Bigots_on_Bikes_online.pdf - Kroll has a long documented personal history of being accused in multiple instances of racist statements, wearing racist symbols, and was sued in 1995 for violence against a black 15-year old, while spewing racial insults.
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Ruben Rosario: Cop’s off-duty club questioned in lawsuit
A police officer’s character and conduct while off duty must always be exemplary, thus maintaining a position of respect in the community in which he or she lives and serves. The officer̵…
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And finally, I have lived in Minneapolis - actually in Longfellow neighborhood, ground Zero for the Floyd protests - for several years. I have had opportunity to read multiple reports over the years from local papers regarding Kroll’s despicable character. He is currently attempting to get all four officers implicated in Floyd’s murder hired back onto the department, despite Arradondo’s opposition.
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