‘Fire Tucker Carlson’: Fox News Host Condemned for Comments on Deadly Shooting of Kenosha Protesters

[WingedHussar]

I never clarified the extent of my expertise or lack thereof, I encouraged you to educate yourself. You are the one who started with the sarcastic comments about internet barristers. You were treated the way you treated others.

 

[QContinuum]

I think that would better be expressed:

If Biden’s party encouraged and tolerated burnings, lootings and killings and did nothing to stop them, then Biden should condemn them and call out his party for its complicity.

But he doesn’t of course because he wants the public to believe he will turn off the Democrat-encouraged violence ONLY if the public supinely elects him.

What does Biden have to do with JonNC’s comment on Trump? It is rude to twist or put words into another person’s mouth. My statement is what it is.

If TRUMP has nothing to do with the current civil unrest while he is President, then TRUMP should not make claims as to his ability as President to stop it.

 

[Ridgerunner]

Actually, the police union has final say on which officers are retained or disciplined by the police department.

If that’s true, this has to be the worst managed city on the planet. Hard to credit. Couldn’t open the cite, so…

 

[QContinuum]

It is controlled by the mayor. He is the elected official. If the police department is racist, it is the mayor’s doing.

Incorrect. I am an resident here in Minneapolis and have researched this issue. The city is unable to disband the racist union because of state law and a Brainerd court case.

Source:

Abolishing the police won’t get rid of the police union, under court ruling • Minnesota Reformer

Even if the Minneapolis City Council succeeds in getting voters to allow it to replace the Police Department in 2021, it may wind up with the same cops represented by the same police union, or risk breaking state law.

minnesotareformer.com

 

[Ridgerunner]

What does Biden have to do with JonNC’s comment on Trump? It is rude to twist or put words into another person’s mouth. My statement is what it is.

I never claimed to be putting my words into your mouth. They were my own. But on the other hand, you certainly did it with me.

And again, include the latter part of my “if/then” proposition

 

[QContinuum]

If that’s true, this has to be the worst managed city on the planet. Hard to credit. Couldn’t open the cite, so…

Which cite is inaccessible? Here is the relevant one. Please note, it is not the city that controls the union. The union is certified by the state.

Abolishing the police won’t get rid of the police union, under court ruling • Minnesota Reformer

Even if the Minneapolis City Council succeeds in getting voters to allow it to replace the Police Department in 2021, it may wind up with the same cops represented by the same police union, or risk breaking state law.

minnesotareformer.com

The Brainerd case presents “a problem and a big problem” for those seeking to dismantle the Police Department, said Marshall Tanick, who represented the firefighters.

After the police killing of George Floyd, nine of 12 members of the City Council publicly vowed to defund the Minneapolis Police Department in early June. On June 26, the City Council unanimously voted to send a charter amendment to the Charter Commission that would give voters a chance to approve dissolution of the Police Department, replacing it with something new…

In the Brainerd case, the firefighters union sued the city, alleging that by eliminating union jobs during its reorganization, the city engaged in unfair labor practices banned by the Public Employment Labor Relations Act. The Supreme Court agreed.

“The Brainerd case stands for the proposition that a government body can’t abrogate its union without going through certain procedures,” Tannick said.

He said there are two possible ways to get around the decision. First, if the union were to decertify itself, meaning voluntarily dissolve, which is unlikely.

Or, by a vote of the people.

But even then, Tannick said, he’s unsure it would pass legal muster: “The citizens can’t violate the law,” he said. For instance, changing the city charter wouldn’t allow Minneapolis to impinge on, say, the Bill of Rights.

“The notion that we’ll have a charter change and that will take care of it is not necessarily true when you’re dealing with a certified union,” he said.

Minneapolis Charter Commission Chair Barry Clegg, who is an attorney, argues if the City Council eliminates the Police Department, the city would either commit an unfair labor practice, or “perhaps worse,” end up with the same police union representing a new division of public safety officers — with current police officers called back to work in order of seniority.

“That’s not reform, that’s negotiating with the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis wearing a different colored uniform,” Clegg said. “(We) need more time to come up with an amendment that will not violate Minnesota law.”

 

[QContinuum]

I think that would better be expressed:

What would be better expressed? My own statement. I didn’t leave it open to interpretation. You may make whatever prepositions you wish, but my statement was in direct response to JonNC’s statement on Trump. You are throwing Biden in there to deflect. If you wish to disagree with my preposition do so, but changing the statement to your personal liking is a pointless deflection.

 

[Ridgerunner]

I couldn’t open the first one. I did read the second one, which said nothing at all about Kroll or anybody else being racist.

But it does seem that liberalism has stuck a city with a union it can’t control, and perhaps some city officials who are cowards when it comes to at least attempting a vote of the people. If the police union has been such a baleful force for so long, it’s remarkable that neither the city nor the state nor the people as a whole can (or perhaps want to) do anything about it.

If you wish to disagree with my preposition do so, but changing the statement to your personal liking is a pointless deflection.

Which I didn’t do. I simply made my own statement. I did not attribute it to you. I merely framed it in a way similar to the way you did. I think your complaint is known as “dishing it out, but…”

 

[QContinuum]

I couldn’t open the first one. I did read the second one, which said nothing at all about Kroll or anybody else being racist.

This one? It’s supporting evidence for why the City Heat Bike Club Kroll is a member of is considered racist.

https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/assets/pdf/combating-hate/ADL_CR_Bigots_on_Bikes_online.pdf

But it does seem that liberalism has stuck a city with a union it can’t control, and perhaps some city officials who are cowards when it comes to at least attempting a vote of the people. If the police union has been such a baleful force for so long, it’s remarkable that neither the city nor the state nor the people as a whole can (or perhaps want to) do anything about it.

Do you have a problem comprehending the article? Are you so focused on looking at this only as a “liberalism” problem that you missed the point that the reason why the officials delayed the vote was they needed to find an option that did not violate state law? The union is not a “liberalism” problem, especially given that they as a unit back Trump, and he backs them. The state has a republican majority in the Senate, and it has had Tim Palawnty and other Republican governors in the past. The House right now is split, with a moderate DFL majority. This state only went for Hillary by 1.5% and is why Trump is obsessed with turning it red.

Trump could not have any hope of doing it if this were just one big bastion of liberalism. Minnesota is like most states. Overwhelmingly red in every part of the state except the Twin Cities. In fact, ten Democrat mayors up north just endorsed Trump because it’s mining country and Trump has pledged his support.

Comments such as your as unfortunately as common as they are uninformed when it comes to Minnesota.

 

[JonNC]

Incorrect

Incorrect. It is run by the elected mayor. That’s how a representative government works. Union bosses do not run cities.

I am an resident here in Minneapolis and have researched this issue. The city is unable to disband the racist union because of state law and a Brainerd court case.

If the union is racist, it reflects the apparently racist progressive elected officials who control the police department.
Elect them out of office if you want to fix it.
Let’s also remember it is progressives that promoted public sector unions.
This is all on the mayor and progressives.

 

[QContinuum]

Which I didn’t do. I simply made my own statement. I did not attribute it to you. I merely framed it in a way similar to the way you did. I think your complaint is known as “dishing it out, but…”

Your statement was pointless to my response to JonNC. He did not mention what Biden is responsible for, he mentioned Trump. By all means, make whatever statement you want, but it appears as though either you are moving the goal posts or making tangential comments. I apologize for misunderstanding your statement, but reading it as what you said, it is irrelevant to the point I argued regarding Trump.

 

[JonNC]

But it does seem that liberalism has stuck a city with a union it can’t control,

These people are not liberals. They are progressives. Liberals believe individuals rights and liberty.

 

[QContinuum]

Incorrect. It is run by the elected mayor. That’s how a representative government works. Union bosses do not run cities.

The police union is not run by the mayor. The union is certified by the state. The mayor, nor the city council, has any authority to disband the union. This is established state law. No matter WHO is the mayor, this is the case.

 

[QContinuum]

These people are not liberals.

Who are “these people?” Your statement sounds derogatory.

 

[JonNC]

Your statement was pointless to my response to JonNC. He did not mention what Biden is responsible for, he mentioned Trump.

I said Trump is not responsible because he is not. Biden, on the other hand, is defending the progressive Democrats who, first, developed a police culture that believes it has the power to violate individual rights, and second, have allowed their allies in the streets to violate individual rights of their citizens.

 

[HarryStotle]

JonNC:

Trump has absolutely nothing to do with this event. Nothing, zero, not one iota.

If Trump has nothing to do with the breakdown of civil order, then he shouldn’t run his campaign on re-establishing order in his next term.

Do you know what a non sequitur is? The fact that he is running a campaign on re-establishing law and order does not logically entail that he is responsible for the current breakdown of law and order.

That responsibility lies at the feet of the Democrats and the Biden-Harris campaign who are funding it and paying the bail of arrested rioters and looters. Not to mention the Dem state and city governments and AGs who are dropping charges or refusing to do anything but enable the mayhem.

 

[JonNC]

Who are “these people?” Your statement sounds derogatory.

And you calling an individual a racist with no evidence isn’t derogatory?
Yes. I consider the description “progressive “ and the political philosophy it represents as derogatory.
I understand him to Mean the elected officials.

 

[QContinuum]

I said Trump is not responsible because he is not.

To which I responded.

Biden, on the other hand, is defending the progressive Democrats who, first, developed a police culture that believes it has the power to violate individual rights, and second, have allowed their allies in the streets to violate individual rights of their citizens.

Now, you state this. Your initial statement made no mention of Biden. Where’s your evidence that Biden is “defending the progressive Democrats, who first developed a police culture that believes it has the power to violate individual rights?” Please provide your citations.

 

[QContinuum]

Do you know what a non sequitur is?

Indeed, your post would qualify.

The fact that he is running a campaign on re-establishing law and order does not logically entail that he is responsible for the current breakdown of law and order.

The fact that he has failed to maintain law and order in this term does not lend support to his claim that he has any ability to reestablish said law and order. Furthermore, the protests started back in May with the anti-mask protests. It is September. He has had months to re-establish law and order since it began to unravel.

 

[HarryStotle]

The lawlessness can be laid squarely at the feet of Dem mayors, governors and DAs. Trump is campaigning for the re-establishment of law and order by prodding the electorate to vote out those at the State and city levels who haven’t done a thing but foster lawlessness. I, for one, hope that happens so law and order is promoted at every level, not just federal in the case of those who have been negligent and culpable.