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‘Fire Tucker Carlson’: Fox News Host Condemned for Comments on Deadly Shooting of Kenosha Protesters
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If Trump has nothing to do with the breakdown of civil order, then he shouldn’t run his campaign on re-establishing order in his next term.Trump has absolutely nothing to do with this event. Nothing, zero, not one iota.
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Tucker Carlson should not be fired, unless his employer is unhappy with his performance and views. Speaking as someone who finds many of his views abhorrent, and the man, himself, personally obnoxious, I’d much rather have him out there then pushed back into the seedy woodwork. Makes it much easier to keep the pulse of current ideas percolating among racist groups supporting Trump.
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No, haven’t forgotten. He deserves a fair trial, but I am not required to suborn my own judgment to that of the state. I can have an opinion, and I do. My opinion has no legal weight, and shouldn’t. But I can form an opinion.Seems you have forgotten in your rush to judgment that it takes a trial jury to make that determination.
Never said I have the “final say.” In fact, I expressly said (more than once) that I want to get him in front of a judge and jury. Everything may or may not come out in a trial, and I may change my opinion if the known facts change.I made a guess upthread about that third victim. But I don’t have the final say and I’m good with that. Unlike you. Let the trial happen and everything will come out then.
As I said before, it seems that lots of people are OK with assuming that the people he killed were bad folks, intent on doing him harm. From what evidence is available, I have formed the opposite opinion.
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The time is irrelevant. Is a person trying to jump kick your head an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm? Yes or no?I just watched the video. Based on that, no policeman anywhere that I know of would have done what he did. He gave less than a second of threat assessment, after tripping running away and came up firing.
I saw the video. There is no good shot of the person’s facial features.There is also a video of him punching a girl from behind in a previous fight.
He did better, unlike the cops who let the town get burned until the mobs went toward the courthouse. Kyle was acting as part of a militia which has a long political and cultural tradition here in the US.I think painting Rittenhouse as a policeman will backfire as much as those who rush to paint hard criminals killed by police as martyrs.
It gets worse. That guy was a burglar who lost his right to possess a firearm. No word about charges against him from the Kenosha County DA though.…He is seen in the video pointing said gun at Rittenhouse. Now what is Rittenhouse supposed to think about that gun aimed at him? While facing off with at least two other men who were coming at him? Was he supposed to lay down and offer his neck? Seems some here think that.
The burglar was also larping as a medic. What is a medic doing carrying a gun? He also pretends to surrender by raising his hands and then goes forward to attack Kyle at point blank with the handgun. This is a low grade civil war, and that is at least 2 war crimes right there.
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The only threat to Carlson’s job is his advertisers. His rating are great, and I assume he is saying what his employers are paying him insane amounts of money to say. But when the ads dry up, the money goes away, and he follows. So far he has held on to enough advertisers - but that could change (as it has for some others).Tucker Carlson should not be fired, unless his employer is unhappy with his performance and views.
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All true. I am only saying I’m not demanding his head for his views, no matter how noxious they are. I think his views should not be hidden, so that they may be properly exposed and eviscerated in the court of public opinion.
But you don’t get to decide the truth, and neither do I, Christians or not. In America, a jury decides. That’s an extremely moral system. You or I deciding because of our political bias is not.Most Christians, myself included, believe that truth and morality matter more than what the state decides to do. Is your position that whatever is legal is moral, and that all decisions of the government are always correct?
I’m trying to have it the right way: presumption of innocence.I think you are trying to have it both ways.
And?He admits to killing two people and shooting a third.
And that will he decided in court not by you. Not by me.The only way that can be legal is if those people were putting his life in danger.
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse. That only makes sense if the average citizen is capable of reading and understanding the statutes. Instead of being a credulous type who simply accepts what you read if it jives with your biases, why not read the relevant statutes instead?Thank you, barrister. Where did you go to law school, exactly?
No evidence that he punched the girl. Yeah a masked pedophile charging a minor? The defense is gonna have a field day with that.Well, I guess if Kyle had been charged for punching that girl, he’d have a criminal record as well. Again, I do think the first shooting will prove to be problematic for the defense.
He’s had nothing to do with it.If Trump has nothing to do with the breakdown of civil order,
You’re right. He should broaden the campaign. The institutional racism, if there is such, is the responsibility of those in charge of those institutions: progressive Democrats.then he shouldn’t run his campaign on re-establishing order in his next term.
Want to end institutional racism, stop electing the purveyors of it.
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Close, but not quite right. A jury decides the legal result. The truth is whatever the truth is. I agree that neither you nor I get to decide the legal result, and that we should all hope the legal result does not hinge on political bias (and also is consistent with the truth).But you don’t get to decide the truth, and neither do I, Christians or not. In America, a jury decides. That’s an extremely moral system. You or I deciding because of our political bias is not.
On this (who decides the legality of his actions) we agree.And that will he decided in court not by you. Not by me.
And that’s what we have to deal with.Close, but not quite right. A jury decides the legal result .
Agreed.The truth is whatever the truth is. I agree that neither you nor I get to decide the legal result, and that we should all hope the legal result does not hinge on political bias (and also is consistent with the truth).
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The burglar-turned war criminal was streaming his actions the night he was shot. Kyle clearly states that he was going to the police. The war criminal then incites the mob. The video below contains some language.
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So you chose to accept the easy answer because it concurs with your biases. Government with democratic elements relies on an informed populace willing to seek out the answers.Well, I guess either you or the district attorney charging Rittenhouse are wrong. I’ll go with the trained lawyer for the moment.
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But he won’t. That’s his hook for now. Also, Democrats do not control all institutions of society. They certainly do not control the racist police union here in Minneapolis, which is headed by Bob Kroll, an ardent and public Trump supporter. So if, indeed, institutional racism does exist, then both parties have work to do to weed it out.You’re right. He should broaden the campaign. The institutional racism, if there is such, is the responsibility of those in charge of those institutions: progressive Democrats.
Want to end institutional racism, stop electing the purveyors of it.
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You would have to try much harder to offend me. Still the fact is that blind acceptance of what an authority figure claims is contrary to what our system of government requires.
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So why not read the law and find out for yourself?
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The crime problem certainly is systemic, unfortunately a good part of it is fomented by leaders such as the former head of the FBI, former head of the CIA, former head of National Intelligence, former assistant AG, former counsel(s) for FBI, former Vice President of the U.S. and former President of the U.S.It is a systemic crime problem we have, not racism.
This is as ridiculous as blaming him for being investigated for a year and a half for nothing, being impeached for nothing, being attacked, often untruthfully, in the media every day of the week. The party responsible for all of that is the Democrat party.If Trump has nothing to do with the breakdown of civil order,
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The violence is going on in Trump’s presidency.
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Actually, the mayor and council control the police department. What proof do you have that the police union is racist or that it has any control over departmental policy?They certainly do not control the racist police union here in Minneapolis, which is headed by Bob Kroll, an ardent and public Trump supporter
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