“Late Pope Could Be Saint Soon.” How? WHY?

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Sir_Knight said:
And let us not lose sight of the fact that the power to excommunicate is to be used when a sinner REFUSES to listen to the church.
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Repeating for the benefit of my brother, Sir Knight (since I think Steve O’Brien has yet to acknowledge any of my very few posts, if he is even reading them):

If you perceive the sanction of excommunication as a “power”, then you do not understand excommunication.
Sir_Knight said:
Justice is to be always tempered with Mercy. Nowhere in scripture will you find Jesus refusing to forgive and when Jesus forgave, He forgave completely.
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Very true.

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AmyS said:
Explain yourself more and take your emotions out of it… Be careful too, go read the 8th commandment.
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My emotions out of it?

All I did was list a few things John Paul II did.

I dont really have much emotion good or bad towards him.

He was a fine man and a good Pope.

I just dont think he needs to be considered a Saint.

My explanations shall follow:
  1. False Ecumenism (Far too many references to the brotherhood of Muslims, Jews and Christians. Yet we are linked to eachother though abraham, but we are not the same religion or anywhere close)
  2. Scandalous Masses. Masses that took place in Mexico, South America, and Africa which were filled with Pagan rituals such as using perfumed water and ornaments consecrated to African tribal religions in the Mass. The Use of a giant Buddhist Censor to burn incensce in the Vatican during a certain interfaith meeting. Allowing Anglicans to celebrate their Mass in Catholic Churches, Celebrating Mass with images of Buddha alongside Christ. etc. etc.
  3. Strange comments concerning other religions.
Comments that Buddhism is a religion of salvation. Comments that Islam has the same God as Catholics.
Comments that Judaism is an equal brother of Christianity.
Comments that Protestants are united with us in the Body of Christ.
 
LilyM said:
That’s what I heard too.

More than once a day, on very rare occasions, may be justified. Seven times a day sounds excessive for anyone, and I’m sure any confessor who heard him would advise him so.
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St. John Vianney would sometimes hear confessions for 14 hours on end.

Thats amazing.
 
LilyM said:
That’s what I heard too.

More than once a day, on very rare occasions, may be justified. Seven times a day sounds excessive for anyone, and I’m sure any confessor who heard him would advise him so.
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It was a mistake… But, I was told that… And, over all who cares, I was wrong, and it was still a lot… That was my point.
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
My emotions out of it?

All I did was list a few things John Paul II did.

I dont really have much emotion good or bad towards him.

He was a fine man and a good Pope.

I just dont think he needs to be considered a Saint.

My explanations shall follow:
  1. False Ecumenism (Far too many references to the brotherhood of Muslims, Jews and Christians. Yet we are linked to eachother though abraham, but we are not the same religion or anywhere close)
  2. Scandalous Masses. Masses that took place in Mexico, South America, and Africa which were filled with Pagan rituals such as using perfumed water and ornaments consecrated to African tribal religions in the Mass. The Use of a giant Buddhist Censor to burn incensce in the Vatican during a certain interfaith meeting. Allowing Anglicans to celebrate their Mass in Catholic Churches, Celebrating Mass with images of Buddha alongside Christ. etc. etc.
  3. Strange comments concerning other religions.
Comments that Buddhism is a religion of salvation. Comments that Islam has the same God as Catholics.
Comments that Judaism is an equal brother of Christianity.
Comments that Protestants are united with us in the Body of Christ.
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Wow, well you know more than he did… Pray for his soul.
 
I think those 2 posters who are posting these hurtful posts about this SAINTLY man should stop and consider, God is on his side, and if God is for us, who can be against us. Your not going to change anyones mind, you might find the odd like minded person though. I say lets let this thread die, stop answering those who have eyes but can not see, who have ears, but will not hear.😦
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
My emotions out of it?

All I did was list a few things John Paul II did…
1.[blah, blah]…
2.[blah, blah]…
3.[blah, blah]…
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Missa, didn’t your mother ever tell you that its wrong to keep a record of wrongs?

And where is your record of his “rights”? Why don’t you start a list? I’d like to see it when you are done. Next year!
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
My emotions out of it?

All I did was list a few things John Paul II did.

I dont really have much emotion good or bad towards him.

He was a fine man and a good Pope.

I just dont think he needs to be considered a Saint.

My explanations shall follow:
  1. False Ecumenism (Far too many references to the brotherhood of Muslims, Jews and Christians. Yet we are linked to eachother though abraham, but we are not the same religion or anywhere close)
  2. Scandalous Masses. Masses that took place in Mexico, South America, and Africa which were filled with Pagan rituals such as using perfumed water and ornaments consecrated to African tribal religions in the Mass. The Use of a giant Buddhist Censor to burn incensce in the Vatican during a certain interfaith meeting. Allowing Anglicans to celebrate their Mass in Catholic Churches, Celebrating Mass with images of Buddha alongside Christ. etc. etc.
  3. Strange comments concerning other religions.
Comments that Buddhism is a religion of salvation. Comments that Islam has the same God as Catholics.
Comments that Judaism is an equal brother of Christianity.
Comments that Protestants are united with us in the Body of Christ.
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I also know that a lot of these things are reguarly taken out of context, and portrayed as something they were not. Hence, commandment 8 of the 10 commandments.
 
Steve_O_Brien said:
The failure of Pope John Paul II to respond adequately to the sexual abuse crisis in the Catholic Church is only one reason why he cannot be canonized.
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Cannot? Where in church teaching do you find that a pope who has a scandal in the church can not be cannonized? I am curious where you came up with this prohibition.
 
Carrie_Andrews said:
I think those 2 posters who are posting these hurtful posts about this SAINTLY man should stop and consider, God is on his side, and if God is for us, who can be against us…
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Amen to that. Do you have ears to hear, Steve?

This is a piece of wisdom like the plethera here you keep on missing.
 
Sir_Knight said:
And let us not lose sight of the fact that the power to excommunicate is to be used when a sinner REFUSES to listen to the church.

Justice is to be always tempered with Mercy. Nowhere in scripture will you find Jesus refusing to forgive and when Jesus forgave, He forgave completely.

By the way, Mt 18:14 is the the Parable of the Lost Sheep and has nothing to do with giving the church the disciplinary power of excommunication (*that authority is seen in Matt 18:17; 1 Tim. 1:20; Gal 1:8; and 1 Cor. 5:3-5; 16:22, etc. *).
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I thank Sir Knight for pointing out that I meant to cite Mt 18:17 in connection with the Church’s disciplinary power of excommunication.

We should pray for the repose of the soul of John Paul II, and we should be grateful to him for the wonderful gift of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, but we should not imitate his laissez-faire reaction to Catholic politicians who show no sorrow for, and ask for no forgiveness for, their support of the legalized murder of unborn children.

John Paul II failed to excommunicate these politicians, who refuse to listen to the Catholic Church. In this way, the late Pontiff did not show love for their immortal souls or for the immortal souls of other human beings, including scandalized Catholics. Above all, by not excommunicating pro-murder politicians, John Paul II did not show love for unborn children. Excommunication is an act of love.

(I am ***not ***judging John Paul II’s subjective culpability for the scandal of not excommunicating pro-abortion politicians. I am speaking of the objective scandal only. Only God can judge anyone’s internal guilt, as Vatican II teaches in Gaudium et spes, section 28.)

As Sir Knight pointed out with the quotation attributed to St. Francis de Sales, scandal is spiritual murder. For this reason, the scandal of refusing to excommunicate pro-abortion politicians–a scandal that continues in the current pontificate–is spiritual murder. It is spiritual murder facilitating physical murder.

Is anyone else frightened by something that Mother Teresa said? I’m referring to this warning:

"The fruit of abortion is nuclear war."

Let’s pray for Pope Benedict XVI. Let’s pray especially to Our Lady of Fátima.

Keep and spread the Faith.
 
AmyS said:
I am sorry, you lost me… That went right over my head.
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AmyS said:
Oh man, now I feel really bad… I am going to laught too, I am just one of those people who often get the joke 20 minutes after everyone else. Obviously it is funny!
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Steve O’Brien keeps recommending a PBS documentary, but then giving the gnostic qualifier “only for those who are old enough and strong enough in their faith” 😛

tee
(Who would not enter a strength-of-faith competition with anyone, but bets he is at least twice as old as Steve O’Brien)
 
tee_eff_em said:
Steve OBrien keeps recommending a PBS documentary, but then giving the gnostic qualifier “only for those who are old enough and strong enough in their faith” 😛

tee
(Who would not enter a strength-of-faith competition with anyone, but bets he is at least twice as old as Steve OBrien)
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rotfl :rotfl: and it only took me just under 15 minutes to get it! LOL
 
Eliza10 said:
Oh, brother, here comes another pontifficator for the judgement seat!

Moderators! Help!
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Don’t panic. All holy men and women have had their detractors. It is to be expected that there will be some to rush to the task on a leader who has lead so long. They will have no bearing on the outcome.
 
tee_eff_em said:
(Who would not enter a strength-of-faith competition with anyone, but bets he is at least twice as old as Steve O’Brien)
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But having now peeked at Steve O’Brien’s profile, admits to being not quite so old.

Still, there’s something to be said for being twice as mature…
 
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