How is it not?JonNC:
How is it relevant for the discussion?
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Actually, it was supposed to be around one particular member of Proud Boys, and apparently there is dispute as to whether he or the group fall into those categories.
Further, if they do, being able to clearly identify them and movements and ideologies like theirs, which I listed , as worthy of condemnation should join us together.
To be honest, I don’t know much about them. If reports about them reflect reality (racist, fascist, white supremacist), then the fit into that list I mentioned above.
Here is their website
Here is their list.
There’s nothing wrong in that list, per se, and if unattached to the group named, I have no problem with any of it.
The question is, is the list reality or a front.
If reality, all well and good, if a deception, them all the lies condemnable.
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Are you part of “the left” now? Or you just are allowed to use their excuses with impunity?
Antifa is not a well defined term. When Wray says it is an ideology, it is an affirmation that it is an idea, not group. Movement is similar, because it does not have a political structure.
Where do you get this? What organization? What funding? And they have chosen not to kill people, though one of their members abandoned that in August, so they have some qualms about violence.
Not sure what you mean. I’m anti-fascist because it is in the very nature constitutional conservatism to be do.
Well, again, watch what they do on the streets. If you can’t define their ideology beyond the blackshirt outfits and tactics, I guess that’s all we have to go on.
Do you support that?
They all remarkably show up at the same place at the same time. Their riot materials just happen to be where they are at just the right time.
https://www.nationalistreview.net/2...ler-behind-u-haul-brought-to-louisville-riot/
Kin of answers your question.
The great thing shout free speech is you’re allowed to keep defending them.
Oh, goodness no. Their list would have sounded like -
Strong central government
Pro-fascism
Pro anti-semitism (racism)
Anti-free speech
Pro-socialism
Minimum freedom.
Vilifying the entrepreneur
Anti-gun rights
Almost like the American left today.
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Dovekin
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I thought it was clear. You use the excuse Antifa does not mean anti-fadcist while accusing “the left” for saying “it does not mean that.”
Do I condemn wearing black shirts? No.
Do i condemn violence? Yes, but we are talking about condemning Antifa apart from the violence.
I don’t see anything that answers the question in any way. Unless you are saying Holly Zoller is Antifa?
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They marched through the streets. They “broke glass”. I don’t think they worried about soft tones.
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Where did I say that. They clearly claim to be anti-fascist. They just act and dress like they are fascists.
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You’re good with those in the above pictures!
Is their violence not a reflection of their ideology?
Does she not present their ideology?
Fixed. …JonNC:
Ex-teacher you say?
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RidgeSprinter
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Just had to rib you on that one.
More evidence that they are just like Antifa. Loosely organized and they are designated by the hate group SPLC as a hate group.
Do they both not deserve our condemnation?
Eye hait spul chek.
Could be. The same with Antifa snd BLM.
I think all of them are egregious, but I seem to be the only one.
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Dovekin
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This is the comment we are discussing. I am trying to figure out what “Antifa… beyond the violence” means. The closest I have come is their blackshirts and their tactics. Do you mean something about their tactics other than violence? I will not condemn their blackshirts, though they are not very flattering.
So what are you asking Biden to condemn? It seems like a reasonable question to me.
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This is truly sickening when you have people continue to defend and even praise the Proud Boys, and simultaneously condemning and bashing Biden every chance they get. It’s a definite truth that many of these people would wear those “I’d rather be Russian than Democrat” T shirts, and not ironically.
I suggest you look beyond what I’ve already shared if you’re not sure. They rather open.
That’s what I’ve seen, too.
I think I explained this already. I
Even included a picture.
And one I’ve already answered. On the face of it, they claim to be anarchists. Is that something Biden should condemn? I think so, but if you’re concerned about a particular vagueness on the point, its true Of Proud Boys, too. I linked to their site.
Who is defending Proud Boys? Do you defend Antifa?
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