12 years of marriage as Catholics, my husband now wants to convert to being Muslim! Help!

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If you decide to exit, with these kinds that are possessive…you have to get everything set up. And then you go to a place where you are totally protected. Very hard to do if you have average income. I am thinking of Katie Holmes.

I wonder if you can show this prayer to your husband. The Blessed Mother is our veil, and the Sword of Jesus pierced her soul.

Islam has the sword that is used to wipe out opponents. Christians have the Sword of Jesus that penetrates us like a surgical knife but the end result is that we become more and more like Him, certainly a life work.

“TO the MOTHER of GOD”, by Sr Faustina.

"O Mary, my Mother and my Lady, I offer you my soul, my body, my life and death, and all that will come after it. I place everything in your hands. O my Mother, cover my soul with your virginal mantle and grant me the grace of purity of heart, soul and body. Defend me with your power against all enemies, and especially against those who hide their malice behind the mask of virtue.

Fortify my soul that pain may not break it. Mother of grace, teach me to live by God’s power.

O Mary, a terrible sword has pierced your holy soul. Except for God, no one knows of your suffering. Your soul does not break. It is brave because it is with Jesus. Sweet Mother, unite my soul to Jesus, because it is only then that I will be able to endure all trials and tribulations, and only in union with Jesus will my little sacrifices be pleasing to God. Sweetest Mother, continue to teach me about the interior life.

May the sword of suffering never break me. O pure Virgin, pour courage into my heart and guard it."

May be you can copy and show it to your husband. Tell him you and your children will be protected by the Blessed Virgin.
 
VanSensei said:
Some people find different truths than the one they were originally exposed to.
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There is and has only ever been ONE Truth, and that is Jesus Christ. And there is and has only ever been one place where the fullness of that one Truth can be found - the Catholic Church.

There are no ‘different truths’. There is truth, half-truth or untruth. Anything outside Catholicism is half-truth at best. To suggest that anyone should leave truth (Catholicism) to follow half-truth or untruth (anything other than Catholicism) is insane.
 
LilyM said:
There is and has only ever been ONE Truth, and that is Jesus Christ. And there is and has only ever been one place where the fullness of that one Truth can be found - the Catholic Church.

There are no ‘different truths’. There is truth, half-truth or untruth. Anything outside Catholicism is half-truth at best. To suggest that anyone should leave truth (Catholicism) to follow half-truth or untruth (anything other than Catholicism) is insane.
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If people find different truths outside of God, let them find truth outside of God. Catholicism alone is not Truth, all religions are Truth. But that’s beside the point.

AmesLouise, honestly: he’s attacking your moral character by forbidding you from taking your kids to Mass, which is so detrimental to the fundamental tenets of a healthy, God-blessed marriage. If he saw faith outside of Christ, but respected your own and your own wishes, then there could be harmony, but honestly he’s taken it too far. It really does feel like indoctrination on his behalf.
 
VanSensei said:
If people find different truths outside of God, let them find truth outside of God. Catholicism alone is not Truth, all religions are Truth. But that’s beside the point.
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Actually, that is very much not true. By default…based on what different religions teach…there is no way that all religions can be considered true.

The three judeo-christian faiths (Islam, Judaism and Christianity) all have vastly different opinions on who Jesus is and these three religions follow the same God. There are countless other religions that have very different opinions on who God is and what they believe other faiths represent.

By this alone…it is virtually impossible to say that all religions are true.
 
VanSensei said:
They have their own paths to salvation, is what I’m getting at.
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No they don’t. Outside the Church there is no salvation.

“Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.”

That’s all: you can only go to the Father through Jesus Christ. Not Mohammed, not Buddha… Jesus Christ alone is the Savior.
 
VanSensei said:
If people find different truths outside of God, let them find truth outside of God. Catholicism alone is not Truth, all religions are Truth. But that’s beside the point.

AmesLouise, honestly: he’s attacking your moral character by forbidding you from taking your kids to Mass, which is so detrimental to the fundamental tenets of a healthy, God-blessed marriage. If he saw faith outside of Christ, but respected your own and your own wishes, then there could be harmony, but honestly he’s taken it too far. It really does feel like indoctrination on his behalf.
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All religions are truth. Therefore, the Hindu pantheon exists in the same universe as our Christian God. The version of Jesus which says that He isn’t God is also present in the same heaven as the Jesus who says He is God. Atheism, whilst not being a religion is also truth, therefore the fact that God exists and the fact that He does not also peacefully coexist.

Wait, what?

But if you’re referring to the ‘truth’ that is personal morality, that implies that morality is subjective. People find abortion evil, some think it’s good. Some think insulting religion with vitriol is a bad thing, others find it as an expression of freedom of speech. When paired with common sense, it doesn’t really work does it? Something isn’t a good thing simply because to you it is good, you have to take account how it affects your whole life and that of others. For example, people regard promiscuity today as A-OK, even desirable but they only take in the freedom aspect of it: they don’t consider the consequences like pregnancy, finances, attitude of friends and family etc… they don’t consider the idea that having an abortion ends potential for a good life. They don’t consider that manipulating someone to quit his religion gives a lot of negative effects on them.

The Church does teach that there is salvation outside of it but it depends: if someone was raised an atheist but is still open to rleigion and lives a moral life, he can go to heaven but if they blindly shun all religion and refuse to research it depsite being surrounded by something called ‘the world wide web’, it’s hard to see how God can be pleased with their laziness. But the truth cannot be denied: there can be only one religion and it’s dogmas cannot be denied.

So no, morality is not subjective and neither is religion. If one religion has a ton of good things in it, it doesn’t justify the actions of one of it’s members. You can NOT find your own path of salvation whilst being a consistent sinner. If that was the case, then those who cheat on their wives, those who lazy, those who bully and fight for self righteous reasons, Hitler, Margaret Sanger, Paul Pot, etc… they’d all be in heaven as they thought they were doing the world and themselves a great service by the evil they did.
 
Talking about truth and paths to truth are of little use to the op. She is married to a liar who has started bullying her. She agreed to one of his demands - that his children learn about Islam. He saw that as a sign of weakness and has stepped up the pressure. If she has any sense she will find a way of extricating herself from this relationship (hardly a marriage if it was based on lies) whilst keeping her home and her children. She can worry about saving his soul and salvation for the entire Islamic world after she has secured her own situation.
 
Today, Good Friday, AmesLouise, I prayed for your in-laws in Saudi Arabia that they would see something,…something they could be doing wrong and to ask their own selves questions if they are doing right.

I prayed for you and your husband.
 
Mariem2 said:
Talking about truth and paths to truth are of little use to the op. She is married to a liar who has started bullying her. She agreed to one of his demands - that his children learn about Islam. He saw that as a sign of weakness and has stepped up the pressure. If she has any sense she will find a way of extricating herself from this relationship (hardly a marriage if it was based on lies) whilst keeping her home and her children. She can worry about saving his soul and salvation for the entire Islamic world after she has secured her own situation.
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Thank you very much, this is the point I was getting at. Respect of one’s faith and ideals are one of the most fundamental tenets of a marriage, especially one brought up in a religion, and if someone doesn’t uphold that, then there’s only a house with a tyrant and a victim where you might as well be back in the Crusades.
 
AmesLouise said:
So, last night we got together on neutral ground to discuss things.He has agreed that the kids can go through their sacraments.But, he wants the kids to know about Islam. I have agreed to this and now I am feeling sick to my stomach. As soon as he received my acceptance, today he started praying (the Muslim way). I asked him what he was doing and he said praying. I just have so much negativity about all this- it makes me sick to see him pray and he insists that it will be 5 times a day! He told me yesterday that the kids have seen him pray and they loved it!
I have decided to be open to allowing them to learn about Islam b/c it is better than the alternative. If I divorce, I will have 50% custody which gives him more of an opportunity to brainwash my children. I’m trying so hard to be positive in all of this, but it is just so hard to make my negative comments about this Muslim stuff.
To the person that mentioned he will eventually want us all to convert- I strongly feel this way, even though he has “allowed” the children to perform their sacraments.
I know I am going to battle this man until the day I die. He has let Satan into my home. I told him this and he got mad at me asking how I could ever think Islam is Satan! He totally doesn’t understand what I mean- Satan caused him at a weak moment to pull away from me and his family.
He has admitted that it is his family pulling him back. And that it all began when we found out that we were expecting a son. He has asked me to not post pictures of the kids performing their sacraments. He doesn’t want his family jumping down his throat.
Goodness, my story can go on and on… I would love to be the one that writes the book on a successful marriage of a Muslim and a Catholic raising children. However, I sense this success will only be a never ending struggle.
However, in the mean time, Satan is still present in my home!
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Hello, and greetings in Jesus Christ our Risen Lord,

As I read your earlier posts, I thought to myself, “it is because she has had a SON, and the family wants the SON to carry on being Muslim.” The risk to the family is because you had a son. Not to say that your husband would not have started back towards Islam at some point even if you had only daughters, but having this son means something different to him and to his family. I would be very concerned about possible kidnapping, and it would be your son that would be the likely target if his family wants them to return to Saudi. I hope that you will talk to a lawyer about this. It is a serious concern. Meanwhile, your children will become very confused about what Mommy and Daddy believe, and why it is not the same. I think there should be some kind of safe house for situations like this, for the woman and children to disappear, like an underground railway, because the risk is HUGE and many people do not understand it at all. I am so sorry that your husband deceived you but let this be a lesson to all women - Once a Muslim, always a Muslim, they cannot simply leave Islam or they are insulting Allah and their family can kill them righteously.
 
Mariem2 said:
To be perfectly honest, if I were in your shoes I would be working on an exit strategy and I would use whatever knowledge I had of your husband’s past transgressions and whatever supporting evidence I could accumulate to keep my children. Better to do it now before he whittles away your self confidence and before he succeeds in completely undermining you in front of your children. Whatever about your daughters who had learned to show you respect until your husband’s decision to reveal his commitment to Islam, what are the chances of your son ever learning to respect you if he grows up seeing his father disrespecting you in your own home? Time to stop beating about the bush - get the best lawyer you can afford.
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This is correct, and if you can’t afford it, get your family to help you. This is very good advice and you should not wait until you have NO means to get away. Start pulling all of the children’s documents and send them to your family for safekeeping. Make sure you have access to the family funds, and if you can possibly do it, take money from the household budget and keep it in a safe location that ONLY YOU know of. You would be best advised by women who have gone through this, but I do not currently know of any organizations for women who have married Muslims. Perhaps there are some, but I am not aware of them. Treat this as you would an abusive situation, both for yourself and your children, as it is very likely to go that way, and may result in the kidnapping of your son.
 
Mariem2 said:
Talking about truth and paths to truth are of little use to the op. She is married to a liar who has started bullying her. She agreed to one of his demands - that his children learn about Islam. He saw that as a sign of weakness and has stepped up the pressure. If she has any sense she will find a way of extricating herself from this relationship (hardly a marriage if it was based on lies) whilst keeping her home and her children. She can worry about saving his soul and salvation for the entire Islamic world after she has secured her own situation.
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You’re right, I’m sorry for my long winded post. If I were the OP, I’d get away from him, not because he is Muslims or anything but because of his bullying and controlling ways. Right now it would not seem so big but after a while, the small becomes big and it’s best to avoid misery. Honestly, being raised Muslim and keeping that from your wife.
 
This is a dangerous situation for the children, and if he is Middle Eastern with ties to Saudi Arabia, separate and take the children NOW. Contact your priest and then a lawyer. This is a dangerous situation for the children. I have a relative who married a Middle Eastern Muslim as well, and we all worry about the safety of our female cousin in particular.
 
AmesLouise said:
Thankfully my children are not able to obtain Saudi passports, b/c my husband is currently here with a “supervisory of the state” basis due to breaking the immigration laws quite a long time ago. He can leave the country at any time, but he can never return. He has no country, since he was born in Palestine (which isn’t considered a country). My husband does not have a travel document at all.
Also, on all three of my kids birth certificates he listed his place of birth as here in the US, not where he was “really” from. So, thankfully that one is in my favor.
I don’t believe his lies were done to intentionaly hurt me in any way, as it was to “escape” his forced life in Saudi Arabia. His family starteid to make their appearance in our lives almost 2 years ago. And even more over the past year.
I really feel my husband is torn between his family and me in regards to being pulled back to Islam vs his life here with me as a Catholic.
I have been VERY happily married to my husband and he is a wonderful father. Never once have I ever felt uncomfortable around him until my son was born… This isn’t him at all. I don’t feel that BEING Muslim is Satanic in anyway. I’m sure its beautiful, but it just isn’t me.
I will live and die a Catholic!
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Hi have you checked he can’t just go to the Saudi Embassy and get passports for your children without your consent? as the Japenese consulate for example has been known to grant passports to half japanese children so the mother can take them out of the country all without the father’s consent. I’d still put out an immigration alert on your kids to prevent your husband ever being able to get them out of the country.

And stand up for your Catholic Faith. Practice it, live it, read your bible if you want to. Don’t bow down in any way. My former husband married me in the Catholic Church, agreed to raise the kids catholic, then started slowly reneging. I wasn’t allowed to have religious items in the house, he didn’t want the kids baptised etc. Eventually I left him. But if you are wanting to remain with your husband, which I can understand you wanting to, then continue in your faith as your have always done. If your husband doesn’t like it then he can leave. I bowed down to my husband when really I should have just stood up to him. He’s trying to bully you into his beliefs but you don’t have to be bullied and you don’t have to compromise to keep the peace. He may be a great husband and father, but do you want your kids being raised in any way muslim? If it were me, I’d explain to him that you have a Catholic marriage, your kids are Catholic, they are being raised Catholic, and if he doesn’t like it, here’s the door.
 
kyria said:
. He may be a great husband and father, but do you want your kids being raised in any way muslim? ** If it were me, I’d explain to him that you have a Catholic marriage, your kids are Catholic, they are being raised Catholic, and if he doesn’t like it, here’s the door**.
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But make sure you have a solid exit strategy yourself, and have blocked ANY attempt at getting the children passports without your permission. You can do this through the State Department, I believe. They should be entered onto a database of children at risk.

I beg you, I implore you to take this seriously. Even if it’s his family that is pressuring him, he is proving to be susceptible to that pressure and who knows what might happen in the future. Muslims can lie to achieve a goal that honors Allah, it is not a sin for them to do so, especially to infidels (non-Muslims). Not that your husband is necessarily lying to you now, but his family could pressure him to return the children to SA.

Please speak to a lawyer. And call the State Department or the US Embassy about the passports.
 
Getting passports by forging the spouse’s permission, or picking an unpoliced border, and spiriting the children away is fairly common elsewhere where these marriages happen, I don’t know about in the USA.

Assume child custody and the law will be approached with the same level of dishonesty you have already experienced, assume they may be spirited away without any law proving an obstacle and you will have one up on all the wives separated from their children already by having faith in the opposite.

I would suggest you do whatever you have to do. Whatever, you have to do, to keep your children.
 
I cannot imagine what you are going through. I will pray for you, your family, and husband. You have given very good advice: hide the passports, protect your children, pray, see your priest, and then a lawyer.
It is very important that you see your priest; but if the priest does not help, see another, call the Chancery, make sure whomever you talk to takes you seriously, and helps you.

When I thought about divorce the first priest I saw told me to go home and be a good girl. That was not what I needed to hear. Your situation is very serious, and you need someone who will do all that they can to help you!
 
once again, thank you so much for all your prayers.
My sweet baby boy was baptized this weekend. It was a fantastic day! My husband was right there going along with it all, the same he did with the children. I was shocked that he could tell me that he wants the kids to learn about Islam, but yet completely agree with everything the priest said at the baptism? The day couldn’t have been any better. I felt the unity as ALL of us being Catholic.
This whole thing just doesn’t make sense to me. He says that he will allow the kids to perform all their sacraments, as long as they learn about Islam. He’s the one who told me in the first place that practicing two religions would confuse them.
To this date, the only thing that I am aware that my husband has shown them is how to pray. According to my daughter (9 year old) she mentioned its a three step process and its sorta neat. Urgh!!! I didn’t want to make it a big deal and my comment back to her was “yes, different people have different ways of praying.” She doesn’t even know what Muslim/Islam is! She has never heard of it before.
I pray with my children every night. We say the Lord’s Prayer and thank God for the wonderful day and any speical intentions we have that night. My husband doesn’t know I do this every night b/c he is usually on the computer in the other room.
I have spoken with a priest and he has guided me in the way of the Church. The Church considers this marriage annuled. However, I did not marry my husband in the Catholic Church b/c I was already married in the Catholic Church and I had not went through the process (at the time) to have that marriage annuled.
I have spoken with an attorney that stated as regular family court- despite all the lies, I would get 50/50 custody. Because of this fact, I am now going to counseling (a priest that is a marriage/ family psychologist), my main focus is how I will cope with my husband wanting to be and practice Muslim and how I will maintain and strengthen my own spirituality and Catholicism, as welll as my Childrens.
I continue to pray the Lords Prayer, Hail Mary’s and pray that one day he will become a priest!:🙂
Please continue with all your prayers.
Oh…and yes, I do believe once a Muslim, always a Muslim. In fact, I have been daily reading my bible and researching Islam in order to prove my facts! Occasionaly my husband has been up on a good arguement in regards to him knowing more about God than me. And, I am preparing to bring on the challenge with facts!
 
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