14 Year Old Son’s Girlfriend Stay Over?

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Paul33 said:
Xantippe, the reason why I cited Pope Pius XI, [Casti Connubi] is because if you are not going to have children until as you and everyone else says “until they are financially ready” then one of two things are going to happen in marriage. One, you are going to practice chastity or two, you are going to use birth control, to quiet concupiscence, which is an inversion of the primary purpose of the conjugal act, which is condemned by the TRUE Catholic church and scripture, read the book of Tobias. NFP is birth control. Any device, method or action that frustrates the procreation of children in the marriage act, is intrinsically evil.
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This is not only NOT church teaching but against it. One is allowed to regulate and space births morally. In fact, morally, one must keep health (both mental and physical), ability to provide and overall spiritual growth in mind.

My husband and I did not seek marriage until we could, at the very least, support ourselves. We did not have children until we were financially stable enough to afford them. We did not have additional children until my body was recovered and I was healthy.

The church does not demand that people live in shacks and crank out a kid every 9 months until menopause—which would be a reality for some fertile people.
 
Cruciferi said:
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Xantippe:
Aren’t there some CAFers who seem too rigid, too over-intellectual, who make terrible puns, who seem stuck up
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You described me perfectly 😏
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💐 You are one of the least stuck-up people on CAF.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
This is not only NOT church teaching but against it. One is allowed to regulate and space births morally. In fact, morally, one must keep health (both mental and physical), ability to provide and overall spiritual growth in mind.
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Here’s a quote from Casti Connubii:

“Nor are those considered as acting against nature who in the married state use their right in the proper manner although on account of natural reasons either of time or of certain defects, new life cannot be brought forth. For in matrimony as well as in the use of the matrimonial rights there are also secondary ends, such as mutual aid, the cultivating of mutual love, and the quieting of concupiscence which husband and wife are not forbidden to consider so long as they are subordinated to the primary end and so long as the intrinsic nature of the act is preserved.”


I have to say that it’s pretty bold of Paul33 to cite Casti Connubii in the same paragraph where he says “NFP is birth control.”
 
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Xantippe said:
I have to say that it’s pretty bold of Paul33 to cite Casti Connubii in the same paragraph where he says “NFP is birth control.”
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Eeeeeeeeeeeexactly.

It would be incredibly immoral to have children when you knew that they would starve. It would not be right or fair, either, to say “oh well, I’ll just hope the food pantry has enough”.
 
Paul33 said:
Lol. Your false drama, does not work. You demonstrate a worldly view of God.
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False drama? Just how much do you think it takes to raise a family today? If I cranked out kids willy-nilly I would most certinally need to rely on the charity of others to keep them fed.

God has clearly said not to “test” Him.
 
Maybe Paul would like to tell us if he is married, and if yes, if he has any experience in today’s worklife.
 
Paul33 said:
You pervert what Pope Pius XI says, He clearly says as long as the primary end is preserved! If you frustrate that end, then you have inverted the primary end and in fact eliminated the primary end to satisfy the secondary end. The teaching of the Catholic church on the marriage act is for the procreation and education of children, this is the only reason for acting upon the marriage act, and when this is done, the secondary consideration is satisfied, automatically.
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This is a really unhealthy view. I hope you aren’t sharing this with people who don’t know any better. In all charity, please talk to your priest about this so you can have a better understanding of church teachings.
 
Your position against NFP is a position against the official teaching of the catholic church. So, are you catholic or what?
 
Paul33 said:
Children are a gift from God but you have the nerve to tell God when you are ready to except the gift, by your own actions. Wow
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I have heard others make this same point, and I don’t get it. My mother wanted to buy me a new washer and dryer when I moved into my new house. I didn’t want her to, so I said “no thank you”, explaining that I would prefer to use the money on something else later on down the road. She wasn’t offended in the slightest. I doubt God gets offended if we use the brain he gave us to say this isn’t a good time right now. Who wants to give a gift knowing it is going to cause hardship? No God I believe in. But that is just me. I am agnostic.
 
God has given us guidance through the church that one is to space and regulate births according to one’s means. To say “God will provide” and do nothing is laziness. God does NOT stop people from being stupid.

NFP is NOT ABC and is approved by the Church.
 
Is the Holy See a worldling?

Hmm by your 2 new threads on the same topic, perhaps you would answer in the affirmative
 
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