2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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Scott_Lafrance said:
Well, from what I have seen and from discussions I have had hear and in person, Ron Paul is the ONLY…ONLY candidate on the GOP side of the house that has crossover appeal. I’ve yet to talk to an entrenched Democrat that would consider anyone else in the Republican Party. Since Obama is loosing his base and most fiscally conservative independents are shying away from Obama, crossover appeal is important, and Romney and Bachmann cause many of these voters to want to just stay home and not vote at all. The Tea Party groups around the country are just as disgusted with the Country Club Republicans as they are the Democrats. There is even talk of sending Beohner packing and challenging him in the primary. I really don’t think you appreciate just how pissed off people are. Ron Paul is the only candidate who is different from the establishment folks in the 2 major parties. He is the one who predicted the housing crash, problems with Fanny and Freddie, and all the other problems associated with the Federal Reserve and our deficit spending. The rest of them are all talk and no walk.
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He is not going to get the nomination.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Well of course he is not. Not if FoxNews has anything to say about it.
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Ah…so despite his strong support, he won’t get the nomination, eh? So, are you a conspiracy theorist, or does he just not have the real support you think he does?
 
At the end of the day the Republican ticket will be headed by either Romney or Perry. Bachmann may be offered a VP slot, but I doubt it. Paul is not and will not be considered a viable candidate.
 
Tsuwano said:
At the end of the day the Republican ticket will be headed by either Romney or Perry. Bachmann may be offered a VP slot, but I doubt it. Paul is not and will not be considered a viable candidate.
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Yep, but his supporters are convinced he is being held down by “the man.”
 
estesbob said:
He is not going to get the nomination.
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And ergo deserves to be ignored? Might is right. “Justice is nothing other than what is in the interest of the stronger.” So sayeth Thrasymachus, Socrates’ interlocutor in The Republic.
 
Expectations For Thursday Night’s Iowa Debate
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Iowa Citizens Speak Out
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Last Straw For Gingrich?
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On a side note, I wanted to post this video in hopes that everyone keeps the message of it in mind leading up to the November 2012 election.

Daniel Hannan: The Comparison Between the U.S. and Europe
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Tsuwano said:
At the end of the day the Republican ticket will be headed by either Romney or Perry. Bachmann may be offered a VP slot, but I doubt it. Paul is not and will not be considered a viable candidate.
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It would be a truly interesting race if the Republican ticket is Perry/Romney.

AND … really interesting … if Palin, Bachmann, the two Pauls, Rubio and others campaign heavily for the Perry/Romney ticket instead of retiring to the sidelines which is usually what happens with the other candidates.
 
Raskolnikov said:
And ergo deserves to be ignored? Might is right. “Justice is nothing other than what is in the interest of the stronger.” So sayeth Thrasymachus, Socrates’ interlocutor in The Republic.
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Not at all. In fact, I think the fact that he doesn’t have a chance of being elected allows him to bring up things in the debate that otherwise might not be discussed.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
It must really kink the neck of the GOP loyalists when poll after poll in this forum puts Ron Paul on top of their favorite Country Clubbers.

I love it. :rotfl:
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Not really. Paul expresses the frustrations that many of us feel about encroaching Federal Government power. But he goes off the reservation on several issues. And he strikes a strident tone. Sarah Palin is a libertarian conservative with whom I agree 95% of the time. Thus my fervent support of her. :D Rob
 
Tsuwano said:
At the end of the day the Republican ticket will be headed by either Romney or Perry. Bachmann may be offered a VP slot, but I doubt it. Paul is not and will not be considered a viable candidate.
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If I had money, I’d bet $1000 or more on Sarah Palin winning the nomination. At 100-1 odds, I’d make a killing. Sarah in action is a powerful force, and don’t think for a moment that Obama wants to face a fearless, competent, America-embracing candidate like Sarah Palin. 👍 Rob
 
Monte_RCMS said:
It would be a truly interesting race if the Republican ticket is Perry/Romney.

AND … really interesting … if Palin, Bachmann, the two Pauls, Rubio and others campaign heavily for the Perry/Romney ticket instead of retiring to the sidelines which is usually what happens with the other candidates.
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I’m not sure the Palins, Bachmanns, etc really would retire to the sidelines. I don’t even think the Pauls would. This election will not be a tweedle dee, tweedle dum thing, notwithstanding all the “Romney is a moderate” or “Perry used to be a Democrat” primary talk. Nobody who is even remotely likely to get the Republican nomination will be as destructive to American life as Obama has been. And if Obama doesn’t have to run again, he doesn’t have to please anybody anymore, and he’ll be far more destructive than he has been so far. And no attempt to derail Obamacare will be successful either.

No, I think they all know how serious the stakes are in this next one, and I can’t see any of them sitting on the sidelines.
 
RACJ said:
Not really. Paul expresses the frustrations that many of us feel about encroaching Federal Government power. But he goes off the reservation on several issues. And he strikes a strident tone. Sarah Palin is a libertarian conservative with whom I agree 95% of the time. Thus my fervent support of her. 😃 Rob
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Sarah Palin is a typical neoconservative. ROn Paul is on the money on 95% of the issues.
 
RACJ said:
If I had money, I’d bet $1000 or more on Sarah Palin winning the nomination. At 100-1 odds, I’d make a killing. Sarah in action is a powerful force, and don’t think for a moment that Obama wants to face a fearless, competent, America-embracing candidate like Sarah Palin. 👍 Rob
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Well, the odds are better for Palin (nomination, not election), so I’m not sure I would do 100-1. With Paul, I would go 1,000-1, but I don’t think any of his supporters would even bite. Even they know it’s not going to happen. As you’ve pointed out, he goes “off the reservation.”

I agree with Bob, though, that he makes the debates interesting. He’s like a Ross Perot, only with less support and not third party. 🙂
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
Sarah Palin is a typical neoconservative. ROn Paul is on the money on 95% of the issues.
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Sarah Palin is no neoconservative. She was never a Liberal who turned into a foreign policy hawk to promote democracy in the world. Palin is a true country conservative. She is also not a Libertarian, like Ron Paul. But Libertarians are a small subset of conservatives. They are not the main stream. Sarah Palin is a main stream country conservative.
 
rlg94086 said:
Well, the odds are better for Palin (nomination, not election), so I’m not sure I would do 100-1. With Paul, I would go 1,000-1, but I don’t think any of his supporters would even bite. Even they know it’s not going to happen. As you’ve pointed out, he goes “off the reservation.”

I agree with Bob, though, that he makes the debates interesting. He’s like a Ross Perot, only with less support and not third party. 🙂
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He is still getting my vote.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I’m not sure the Palins, Bachmanns, etc really would retire to the sidelines. I don’t even think the Pauls would. This election will not be a tweedle dee, tweedle dum thing, notwithstanding all the “Romney is a moderate” or “Perry used to be a Democrat” primary talk. Nobody who is even remotely likely to get the Republican nomination will be as destructive to American life as Obama has been. And if Obama doesn’t have to run again, he doesn’t have to please anybody anymore, and he’ll be far more destructive than he has been so far. And no attempt to derail Obamacare will be successful either.

No, I think they all know how serious the stakes are in this next one, and I can’t see any of them sitting on the sidelines.
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Excellent point on the danger of a 2nd Obama term - in which he can do anything he wants because he wouldn’t have to run again. All the more reason to rally behind the most electable pro-life candidate in the field (incidentally, I don’t think that has been settled yet). As much as I have reservations about Romney, I think a Romney/Rubio ticket or a Pawlenty/Rubio ticket might be the strongest. Don’t know enough about Perry.

Ishii
 
ishii said:
Excellent point on the danger of a 2nd Obama term - in which he can do anything he wants because he wouldn’t have to run again. All the more reason to rally behind the most electable pro-life candidate in the field (incidentally, I don’t think that has been settled yet). As much as I have reservations about Romney, I think a Romney/Rubio ticket or a Pawlenty/Rubio ticket might be the strongest. Don’t know enough about Perry.

Ishii
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Marco Rubio, the Junion Senator from Florida? I’m not that deep into politics. Is he being bandied about as a running mate by people already? Didn’t he just become a Senator? Are you from Florida? I had to go to Wikepedia just to find out who he is, so that shows you my political knowledge. 😉

Well, good luck at any rate.
 
ishii said:
Excellent point on the danger of a 2nd Obama term - in which he can do anything he wants because he wouldn’t have to run again. All the more reason to rally behind the most electable pro-life candidate in the field (incidentally, I don’t think that has been settled yet). As much as I have reservations about Romney, I think a Romney/Rubio ticket or a Pawlenty/Rubio ticket might be the strongest. Don’t know enough about Perry.

Ishii
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Why Powlenty? He didn’t make a very good impression in the debate last night.
 
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