2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

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Too early to be all that decisive. At the moment, I would definitely not vote for Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrich. Romney is probably the best qualified of them all, but I can’t warm up to him, and public confidence is an important factor. As for Perry, too early to say but I have not been impressed by some of his statements. Palin - no! The worst of all would be people like Bolton, Trump or Guiliani. and apparently they’re not going to jump in??? Would have to hearn more about Christie and Ryan when their turn comes.
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Paul has more guts than any of the candidates, and I applaud many of his views on foreign policy. It has taken enormous courage, for example, to publicly oppose wars overseas and take a stand against our continuing huge financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel no matter how often Israel deliberately thumbs its nose ay us by building more and more settlements on occupied territory. I could possibly vote for him, though he is too 'anarchistic' for me on various domestic issues.

I have been somewhat disillusioned by Obama, but hesitate to vote against our first biracial president, fearful that it may work against any such potentialand worthy candidate in the future. Moreover, I have sympathy for his idealism and for the ugly mess he inherited, and resent truly vicious attacks upon him, at least some of them stemming from those who can't accept a Black man in the White House. On the other hand, I've begun to wonder if he is mature and wise enough to provide proper leadership at this critical time. Yet, that may be true of any of them. 

 The presidency is really an impossible job, especially in the present climate in Washington. Too much bitterness. The country also has too many irons in too many fires. That Iraq War was an especially bad blunder for dozens of reasons, and it alienated me from Bush, even though I never joined in with the hate-Bush rhetoric. He is and was a decent man, just badly misled. Frankly, Eisenhower (my first vote) was the president I admire generally, and I rather liked Bush Sr. too. Clinton was a fairly good president but I didn't respect him that much personally. I have the same problem when it comes to people like Kennedy, Nixon, Guiliani and Gingrich. Probably Carter was our most moral president personally, but it's difficult to admire his presidency.   

Maybe I'll even vote for a third party as a protest vote??? I've done that before, though I prefer to play some little part in the real election contest,

 Enuff sed - if you're interested. Thanks. God bless everybody.
 
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Perry 44% Obama 41%; President Leads Other GOP Hopefuls

For the first time this year, Texas Governor Rick Perry leads President Obama in a national Election 2012 survey. Other Republican candidates trail the president by single digits.

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I saw where the professor who uses 13 keys to predict the outcome of the election has given it to Obama. So I looked up his analysis of the keys and he left one or two of them as undecided, and some of the others were rather weak analysis, IMO.

I have a feeling this will be his first election to be wrong unless he changes the analysis of his keys up and changes his prediction sometime between now and election day.
 
There was another thread about Republicans running in the ball park, head to head, with Obama. The major difference was NOT independants, NOT Democrats; but Republicans. It seems that a significant number of Republicans WILL NOT VOTE for Ron Paul or Michele Bachmann. Otherwise, Ron Paul would now be polling as a near landslide over Obama, and Bachmann also ahead.
I posted to that thread; “what is it about Ron Paul that turns so many Republicans off that they would vote for Obama instead?” No serious response.
That says more than all the posters to this thread trying to convince Paul supporters to support for Romney or Perry can.
Let me explain why Paul supporters will NOT support Romney or Perry (an attempt to open dialog).
Romney ran for Governor as a very liberal candidate. He also governed as a liberal. In 2008, he stated that he was not a liberal but, had to take those positions in order to get elected. So, we should trust him now? And what about how he governed?
Perry entered politics as a Democrat. Changed parties. Ran as a Republican. The break between Perry and GW Bush was on Perry’s using negative campaign tactics. In 2008, the thing with Perry was his support of NAFTA and the NAFTA highway; which was being built, in Texas, by a Spanish firm.
What is so problematic about: we want a candidate with a CONSISTENT track record?
It would be nice to replace Obama in 2012. BUT not if we replace him with Obama under a different name.
 
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There was another thread about Republicans running in the ball park, head to head, with Obama. The major difference was NOT independants, NOT Democrats; but Republicans. It seems that a significant number of Republicans WILL NOT VOTE for Ron Paul or Michele Bachmann. Otherwise, Ron Paul would now be polling as a near landslide over Obama, and Bachmann also ahead.
I posted to that thread; “what is it about Ron Paul that turns so many Republicans off that they would vote for Obama instead?” No serious response.
That says more than all the posters to this thread trying to convince Paul supporters to support for Romney or Perry can.
Let me explain why Paul supporters will NOT support Romney or Perry (an attempt to open dialog).
Romney ran for Governor as a very liberal candidate. He also governed as a liberal. In 2008, he stated that he was not a liberal but, had to take those positions in order to get elected. So, we should trust him now? And what about how he governed?
Perry entered politics as a Democrat. Changed parties. Ran as a Republican. The break between Perry and GW Bush was on Perry’s using negative campaign tactics. In 2008, the thing with Perry was his support of NAFTA and the NAFTA highway; which was being built, in Texas, by a Spanish firm.
What is so problematic about: we want a candidate with a CONSISTENT track record?
It would be nice to replace Obama in 2012. BUT not if we replace him with Obama under a different name.
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What, you don’t want George Bush’s 4th term?
 
Roy5 said:
Too early to be all that decisive. At the moment, I would definitely not vote for Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrich. Romney is probably the best qualified of them all, but I can’t warm up to him, and public confidence is an important factor. As for Perry, too early to say but I have not been impressed by some of his statements. Palin - no! The worst of all would be people like Bolton, Trump or Guiliani. and apparently they’re not going to jump in??? Would have to hearn more about Christie and Ryan when their turn comes.
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Paul has more guts than any of the candidates, and I applaud many of his views on foreign policy. It has taken enormous courage, for example, to publicly oppose wars overseas and take a stand against our continuing huge financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel no matter how often Israel deliberately thumbs its nose ay us by building more and more settlements on occupied territory. I could possibly vote for him, though he is too 'anarchistic' for me on various domestic issues.

I have been somewhat disillusioned by Obama, but hesitate to vote against our first biracial president, fearful that it may work against any such potentialand worthy candidate in the future. Moreover, I have sympathy for his idealism and for the ugly mess he inherited, and resent truly vicious attacks upon him, at least some of them stemming from those who can't accept a Black man in the White House. On the other hand, I've begun to wonder if he is mature and wise enough to provide proper leadership at this critical time. Yet, that may be true of any of them. 

 The presidency is really an impossible job, especially in the present climate in Washington. Too much bitterness. The country also has too many irons in too many fires. That Iraq War was an especially bad blunder for dozens of reasons, and it alienated me from Bush, even though I never joined in with the hate-Bush rhetoric. He is and was a decent man, just badly misled. Frankly, Eisenhower (my first vote) was the president I admire generally, and I rather liked Bush Sr. too. Clinton was a fairly good president but I didn't respect him that much personally. I have the same problem when it comes to people like Kennedy, Nixon, Guiliani and Gingrich. Probably Carter was our most moral president personally, but it's difficult to admire his presidency.   

Maybe I'll even vote for a third party as a protest vote??? I've done that before, though I prefer to play some little part in the real election contest,

 Enuff sed - if you're interested. Thanks. God bless everybody.
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Well, I hope you decide to “play some little part” in the real election instead of voting for a 3rd party. 3rd party candidate never go on to nominate supreme court justices.

You say “too early to say” about supporting Perry, then you say you “hesitate to vote against” Obama. I am confused about those two seemingly diametrically opposed statments as Obama and Perry couldn’t be further apart politically.
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Roy5 said:
Too early to be all that decisive. At the moment, I would definitely not vote for Bachmann, Santorum, or Gingrich. Romney is probably the best qualified of them all, but I can’t warm up to him, and public confidence is an important factor. As for Perry, too early to say but I have not been impressed by some of his statements. Palin - no! The worst of all would be people like Bolton, Trump or Guiliani. and apparently they’re not going to jump in??? Would have to hearn more about Christie and Ryan when their turn comes.
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Paul has more guts than any of the candidates, and I applaud many of his views on foreign policy. It has taken enormous courage, for example, to publicly oppose wars overseas and take a stand against our continuing huge financial, military and diplomatic support for Israel no matter how often Israel deliberately thumbs its nose ay us by building more and more settlements on occupied territory. I could possibly vote for him, though he is too 'anarchistic' for me on various domestic issues.

I have been somewhat disillusioned by Obama, but hesitate to vote against our first biracial president, fearful that it may work against any such potentialand worthy candidate in the future. Moreover, I have sympathy for his idealism and for the ugly mess he inherited, and resent truly vicious attacks upon him, at least some of them stemming from those who can't accept a Black man in the White House. On the other hand, I've begun to wonder if he is mature and wise enough to provide proper leadership at this critical time. Yet, that may be true of any of them. 

 The presidency is really an impossible job, especially in the present climate in Washington. Too much bitterness. The country also has too many irons in too many fires. That Iraq War was an especially bad blunder for dozens of reasons, and it alienated me from Bush, even though I never joined in with the hate-Bush rhetoric. He is and was a decent man, just badly misled. Frankly, Eisenhower (my first vote) was the president I admire generally, and I rather liked Bush Sr. too. Clinton was a fairly good president but I didn't respect him that much personally. I have the same problem when it comes to people like Kennedy, Nixon, Guiliani and Gingrich. Probably Carter was our most moral president personally, but it's difficult to admire his presidency.   

Maybe I'll even vote for a third party as a protest vote??? I've done that before, though I prefer to play some little part in the real election contest,

 Enuff sed - if you're interested. Thanks. God bless everybody.
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You are hesitant to vote against biracial Obama b/c it might hurt the cause of some worthy candidate in the future? Talk about either white guilt, or the flimsiest reason for a vote I can imagine. How much socialist destruction of our country is enough? I hope that when push comes to shove, you and others will do the right thing, and vote to restore America from this nightmare. :eek: Rob
 
I really don’t know who I will vote for. However, I know that the person I vote for will not be Obama because is too pro-abortion. I also know that it will not be a Democrat because I don’t trust Democrats on abortion and gay “marriage”.
 
Just to clarify.
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I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I do not fall for the wild and false propaganda directed against those of either party. Most Republicans I know are not racists (a few may be) and no Democrats I know are radical leftists. Obama, Perry, Bachmann, Romney, etc., all want what is best for America. I rather like Obama's idealism, but have been disappointed by his ineffectiveness to date. Yet, I am also distressed by the way in which many in the GOP are playing negative politics. That could lose it for the GOP just as it did when Harry Truman shocked the pollsters in 1948 by hammering home a 'good-for-nothing, do-nothing 80th Congress."  

 As far as race is concerned, I felt surprised and happy when America elected a biracial president. He is a brilliant man with many gifts, but Obama hasn't been able to turn things around and I take issue with him on some matters. He inherited a huge mess, of course, but he hasn't changed the picture much. Presidents that came before him, among them Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes all bear some responsibility.

 Foreign policy is very important to me, and I am very distrustful of warrior-like GOPer, but not very confident of Obama, either. (I sympathize with Ron Paul in this area.) Perhaps, if reelected, Obama will feel freer to follow his own instincts, which I think may be good - a foreign policy that doesn't meddle all over the world though it reaches out (when possible) with humanitarian aid to help those in need wherever they face a crisis. I believe Christ would approve. A major mistake we made was to invade Iraq. That cost us enormously in lives and treasure. Al Qaeda must have snickered as we moved our beloved country nearer and nearer to over-extension and near-bankruptcy, where we are today. Meanwhile, we were diverted from our real enemy, Al Qaeda, the architects of 9-11 and other vicious acts of terrorism.

 God bless the whole world with peace, harmony and love. That's a lot to ask, but that's what I pray for. Anything we can do as individuals to move in that direction is - in my view -truly serving our Lord. There is far too much narrow tribalism, including religious, racial and nationalistic pride when we should seek to humbly honor Christ through reaching out in love.
 
Roy5 said:
Just to clarify.
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I am neither a Republican nor a Democrat. I do not fall for the wild and false propaganda directed against those of either party. Most Republicans I know are not racists (a few may be) and no Democrats I know are radical leftists. Obama, Perry, Bachmann, Romney, etc., all want what is best for America. I rather like Obama's idealism, but have been disappointed by his ineffectiveness to date. Yet, I am also distressed by the way in which many in the GOP are playing negative politics. That could lose it for the GOP just as it did when Harry Truman shocked the pollsters in 1948 by hammering home a 'good-for-nothing, do-nothing 80th Congress."  

 As far as race is concerned, I felt surprised and happy when America elected a biracial president. He is a brilliant man with many gifts, but Obama hasn't been able to turn things around and I take issue with him on some matters. He inherited a huge mess, of course, but he hasn't changed the picture much. Presidents that came before him, among them Reagan, Clinton, and the Bushes all bear some responsibility.

 Foreign policy is very important to me, and I am very distrustful of warrior-like GOPer, but not very confident of Obama, either. (I sympathize with Ron Paul in this area.) Perhaps, if reelected, Obama will feel freer to follow his own instincts, which I think may be good - a foreign policy that doesn't meddle all over the world though it reaches out (when possible) with humanitarian aid to help those in need wherever they face a crisis. I believe Christ would approve. A major mistake we made was to invade Iraq. That cost us enormously in lives and treasure. Al Qaeda must have snickered as we moved our beloved country nearer and nearer to over-extension and near-bankruptcy, where we are today. Meanwhile, we were diverted from our real enemy, Al Qaeda, the architects of 9-11 and other vicious acts of terrorism.

 God bless the whole world with peace, harmony and love. That's a lot to ask, but that's what I pray for. Anything we can do as individuals to move in that direction is - in my view -truly serving our Lord. There is far too much narrow tribalism, including religious, racial and nationalistic pride when we should seek to humbly honor Christ through reaching out in love.
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Well Roy, I was NOT proud that America elected a biracial/black man, b/c it chose to wear blinders to the fact that he himself admitted to wanting to destroy the coal industry, and that his goal was to "spread the wealth", a Marxist vision. They also ignored his prominent ties to America-haters, racists and radical terrorists. Lastly, they chose to believe that he was the secular answer to all problems that ail America, including **lowering its sea levels**, and that he had NO executive experience and NO accomplishments, save forcing Chicago Citibank to make bad home loans to unqualified applicants. Congratulations America! :D Rob
 
RACJ

From what you write, I wonder if you don’t listen to too much Limbaugh, Hannity and those many other dogmatic extremists on the radio and TV who seem to hate Obama and wouldn’t give him credit if he walked on water. Every time I turn on the radio I find that Ingraham, Savage or one of those get-Obama commentators are twisting the facts.
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Gosh, I've been warned that Obama doesn't wear the US flag in his lapel, doesn't place his hand over his heart when he pledges allegiance, was born in Kenya, is a secret Muslim, deliberately wants to cripple our country, amd dozens of other lies that actually increase my sympathy for the man, He deserves criticism, but such crazy fabrications push more toward him than against him. When will Hannity, for example, ever stop repeating the names of Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc.? It becomes quite boring after awhile.

 My problems with Obama include the failure of his administration to stem the recession sufficiently, to get us out of Iraq and Afghanistan more promptly, and to be more effective in putting a lid on spending. I have mixed feeling about taxing the very wealthy somewhat more - his critics, of course, just like to say 'raise taxes'. I don't fret all that much about billionaires and millionaires, some of whom pay less taxes than the average middle class American on a modest salary. 

 I do tire a bit of his speeches, eloquent as he can be. We all need to remember, however, that he came to office when the recession was at its peak, when the stock market had lost 50% of its value, when we were bogged down in two wars, when the national debt had ballooned, and much more.

  Personally, I view Limbaugh, Hannity and such as doing considerable damage to our country by working so hard to undermine our confidence in America. I have always respected the office of the president, voted for both Republicans and Democrats, and am deeply troubled by Democrats like Frank, Weiner and Wrangel and such Republicans as Bachmann, Santorum and Cantor. There are plenty of radicals in both parties. Over the years I have admired such Democrats as Leahy, Larson and Moran and such Republicans as Frelinghuysen, Shays and Chafee.
 
Roy5 said:
RACJ

From what you write, I wonder if you don’t listen to too much Limbaugh, Hannity and those many other dogmatic extremists on the radio and TV who seem to hate Obama and wouldn’t give him credit if he walked on water. Every time I turn on the radio I find that Ingraham, Savage or one of those get-Obama commentators are twisting the facts.
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Conservatives get all their news from FAUX News and Rush.

Add that to the “BUSH DIDIT” list. 😛
 
Roy5 said:
RACJ

… who seem to hate Obama … .
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Just curious, but, where do you get the idea that they HATE Obama?

Isn’t it possible to disagree with someone without a critic of the disagreement calling it “hate”?

How do you describe and define and make a distinction between disagreement versus hate?
 
Roy, I didn’t need Hannity or Limbaugh to inform me about what is common knowledge about Obama. There is 100% truth in what I posted. BTW, there is something bizarre about a candidate for President of AMERICA, refusing to wear a flag pin. You and millions of others don’t want to believe what is right in front of your eyes. Blessings, Rob 🙂
P.S. Maybe you can understand why Obama shut down our Gulf drilling, while giving Brazil Billions to do even deeper drilling, and Mexico more billions to drill in the same region where he shut down OUR rigs. I cannot. :confused:
 
RACJ said:
Roy, I didn’t need Hannity or Limbaugh to inform me about what is common knowledge about Obama.
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“Common knowledge” is what YOU think of something.
There is 100% truth in what I posted.
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What we all need is 100% truth.
BTW, there is something bizarre about a candidate for President of AMERICA, refusing to wear a flag pin. You and millions of others don’t want to believe what is right in front of your eyes.
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Bizarre? How is it bizarre? BTW, who is that candidate for the office?
 
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