25 unarmed Whites and only 14 unarmed Blacks were fatally shot by police in 2019. Do the data suggest that police deserve an apology from those who vi

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phil3 said:
I could keep going but I think you get the point.
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Its a poor one. Because:
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So there is no such thing as American culture? Texas culture, NY culture, California Culture. British culture French culture, Japanese culture?
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There is a culture correct but it is not all-encompassing. No more then you are defined by your mood. You may be an angry person but that’s not all you are. making judgment calls solely on your temper isn’t conducive to good relations.

Culture is for lack a better metaphor for the mood or feel of a people at any given time.
Americans are spenders, that’s how we built that society but things can change that alter that society. You are never just one thing and never forever that thing.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The blacks as a group have never been treated the same as whites.
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Proof that Blacks, on the average, live a great life in the United States: more than a million immigrants come to the United States each year. Far more than any country immigrants choose to live here.

(If the United States was truly so evil and racist, then nobody would want to come here.)
 
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No it is not your mood. You mood can change daily. We all have different ways we do things, from the way we eat, to the way we raise our kids to the way we accept death.
 
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Proof that Blacks, on the average, live a great life in the United States: more than a million immigrants come to the United States each year.
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This a different premise, and not one I made. So I repeat “blacks have never been treated the same as whites”.
 
It’s a matter of reallocating funding. This could be a good thing. Defunding police units that respond to mental health calls so that trained and licensed mental health professionals could be on the scene (rather than armed officers) is one example. Austin, unfortunately, reallocated the funds to “abortion access.” :roll_eyes:
 
blackforest said:
It’s a matter of reallocating funding. This could be a good thing. Defunding police units that respond to mental health calls so that trained and licensed mental health professionals could be on the scene (rather than armed officers) is one example.
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Yes. And in view of the failure to charge anyone in the Death of Breonna Taylor, it is becoming more and more apparent that the policing system we have now in many places need to be defunded because when injustice occurs, as with Breonna Taylor, it is determined that the police were acting within the guidelines of the system under which they worked. If that is the case, the system itself needs to be totally redesigned to better serve the community in which they operate.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
Yes. And in view of the failure to charge anyone in the Death of Breonna Taylor, it is becoming more and more apparent that the policing system we have now in many places need to be defunded because when injustice occurs, as with Breonna Taylor, it is determined that the police were acting within the guidelines of the system under which they worked. If that is the case, the system itself needs to be totally redesigned to better serve the community in which they operate.
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I dont want them defunded in my community. You are welcome to demand they are defunded in yours
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Yes. And in view of the failure to charge anyone in the Death of Breonna Taylor, it is becoming more and more apparent that the policing system we have now in many places need to be defunded because when injustice occurs, as with Breonna Taylor, it is determined that the police were acting within the guidelines of the system under which they worked. If that is the case, the system itself needs to be totally redesigned to better serve the community in which they operate.
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I dont want them defunded in my community. You are welcome to demand they are defunded in yours
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Well, if a majority of people in your community feel the way you do, then you will get your way. But in those communities where it not working well, the majority may very well come to a different conclusion.
 
Defunding and reallocating have different meanings. A lot of times when people talk about defunding the police, they really mean reallocating resources.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
, it is becoming more and more apparent that the policing system we have now in many places need to be defunded because when injustice occurs, as with Breonna Taylor, it is determined that the police were acting within the guidelines of the system under which they worked. If that is the case, the system itself needs to be totally redesigned to better serve the community in which they operate.
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Given what you wrote here, defunding or reallocating is not the solution.

This whole business of going in like commandos is all too often over the top and has resulted in several tragedies already.

We should be careful in how we move on these issues, examining what goes wrong, why it went wrong, and then make changes according to those results.

Going after a sleeping, low-level drug dealer with a small army is crazy.
 
Not true at all, many know there are inequities, it is the cause we are debating over.
 
I already advocate that officers start to say, “that is a no go zone” and not respond to those calls.
 
Annie said:
Going after a sleeping, low-level drug dealer with a small army is crazy.
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Correction: a suspected low-level drug dealer. BTW, they searched and no drugs were found. So it was just a search warrant on a fishing trip.
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I already advocate that officers start to say, “that is a no go zone” and not respond to those calls.
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What does that mean? That they won’t go to that neighborhood under any circumstances, or that they just won’t go on a nighttime drug raid, especially on a no-knock warrant. But that should not be the responsibility of the individual officers. That should be changed at the top so that such orders are just not issued.
 
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It seems to me that cities should reallocate some resources to riot control.
 
“Reallocate police funding!” just doesn’t seem to make an attention-grabbing cardboard sign or hashtag. 😉 It involves long, boring meetings about budgets and grants.
Some of the best public policy moves can seem quite prosaic to an entertainment-hungry culture.
 
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