2nd employee at Catholic school plans same-sex marriage; school CEO says she is welcome to stay [CC]

[phil19034]

My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?

If they do not have annulments, then yes. They should be fired.

Anyone who is automatically excommunicated should be fired.

Please see my post on another, related thread here on CAF.

 

[Hoosier_Daddy]

(sigh) remember when habited nuns were the teachers, The “CEO” or whatever was a priest. And the schools were Catholic?

Now, every graduate of Eastside Catholic will one day have a username on these forums and say things contrary to Church teaching about abortion, SS"M", or a variety of other issues and say the infamous “I went to 12 years of Catholic school” that seems to be the ultimate in cafeteria catholic apologetic credentials

 

[Ender]

My question is this: should Catholic schools and other institutions begin firing/not hiring those who are divorced and remarried outside of the Church? This is a legitimate question. Doesn’t the retention of those in illicit marriages also send the wrong message to children?

I think the question turns on the issue of scandal. Schools have no right - or need - to ferret out the sins of their employees. If, however, employees engage in behavior that is gravely sinful and it becomes public, then the school has not just the right but the duty to act. This is much like the question of the denial of communion. So long as the individual’s sins are private he is the one to judge his worthiness to receive but once his sin becomes public, then, if it is grave and he obstinately perseveres in it, it becomes the obligation of the minister of communion to act … in part because of the scandal involved in doing nothing.

Ender

 

[Tigg]

What disturbs me the most about this subject is the fact that so many (even clerics) now casually talk of the Church “changing her teaching.” The Church cannot “change” her teaching. Although doctrine can evolve into a deeper theological understanding, it must always expound along the same vein as previously taught.

Development of doctrine never means abandonment of doctrine, or the substitution of new doctrine for old; it never means that what the Church once firmly assents to it will ever deny.

Genuine development of doctrine always proceeds along consistent lines; it is growth from partial to fuller vision, so that what has been believed continues to be believed, though its depths and consequences are more and more fully realized. This growth of understanding, knowledge and wisdom is always to be in the same doctrine, in the same meaning, and in the same sense.

The Teaching of Christ, Fifth Edition

 

[zab]

What disturbs me the most about this subject is the fact that so many (even clerics) now casually talk of the Church “changing her teaching.” The Church cannot “change” her teaching. Although doctrine can evolve into a deeper theological understanding, it must always expound along the same vein as previously taught.

This is the heart of the problem. The very reason that onlookers believe, “The ongoing morality play about gay marriage at an area Catholic high school keeps getting foggier.” and the reason why some believe that the school’s message has been “inconsistent” seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022650930_westneat12xml.html Not even Mark Zmuda is willing to say that he thinks that the Church should change her teaching. (See the Joyce Taylor interview King5 News), What is needed is for our Catholic leaders to be consistent with Catholic teaching not just mimicking what the Church teaches and contradicting what they believe in private conversations. No wonder people are confused.

 

[zab]

I think the question turns on the issue of scandal. Schools have no right - or need - to ferret out the sins of their employees. If, however, employees engage in behavior that is gravely sinful and it becomes public, then the school has not just the right but the duty to act. This is much like the question of the denial of communion. So long as the individual’s sins are private he is the one to judge his worthiness to receive but once his sin becomes public, then, if it is grave and he obstinately perseveres in it, it becomes the obligation of the minister of communion to act … in part because of the scandal involved in doing nothing.

Ender

The principal has mimicked Church teaching while giving conflicting messages confusing the minds of the students and the teachers, and onlookers. This is being reported as the church giving conflicting messages. I think that the principal needs to be held accountable in the same manner because she has gone beyond holding personal views when she expressed those views that are contrary to church teaching to students as well as to teachers and has given permission for some messages to be made public.

 

[Tigg]

This is the heart of the problem. The very reason that onlookers believe, “The ongoing morality play about gay marriage at an area Catholic high school keeps getting foggier.” and the reason why some believe that the school’s message has been “inconsistent”

It is perturbing and disingenuous. Do they somehow think the faithful so naïve that if they say it enough times that teaching can be changed, we might then begin to believe it can actually be done?

 

[pnewton]

What disturbs me the most about this subject is the fact that so many (even clerics) now casually talk of the Church "changing her teaching.

I must say, I have never heard that, at least from inside the Church. I have heard a lot about changing how we minister to others, or how we deal with issues, but not changing doctrine.