A decent talk

[IvanKaramozov]

You are ridiculous. What could muslims possibly know about decency?

You might as well post a chat with Satan. Maybe he could give you some similar insights about morality.

Parleying with evil only legitimizes evil. Compromise with evil only benefits evil.

If you are sincere about wanting to learn about islam, I beg you, DO NOT trust these aologists. They are trained and prepared to spoon-feed you deceptions in order to “pave the way for the dominance of islam.”

If you sincerely want to learn, read for yourself. The qu’ran and hadith are not secret books. Get the originals, not those “sanitized” for the kuffar.

Read and learn. Do not be deceived. Islam is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Do not be deceived by false prophets and thier lies.

Judge thier actions, not thier propaganda.

I KNOW!

Muslims stole my doggy, pushed me in mud, said my Jeans make me look fat, burned my crops, killed my poney, AND, AND THEY ATE MY CANDY CANE!!!

Actually, they have made fun of my hair and eccentrcy

I know one Muslim girl, I thought we we friends, but she slandered my good name, “He’s goofy like Kramer, but I hawrts him”

Monstor

 

[ralphinal]

You are ridiculous. What could muslims possibly know about decency?

You might as well post a chat with Satan. Maybe he could give you some similar insights about morality.

Parleying with evil only legitimizes evil. Compromise with evil only benefits evil.

If you are sincere about wanting to learn about islam, I beg you, DO NOT trust these aologists. They are trained and prepared to spoon-feed you deceptions in order to “pave the way for the dominance of islam.”

If you sincerely want to learn, read for yourself. The qu’ran and hadith are not secret books. Get the originals, not those “sanitized” for the kuffar.

Read and learn. Do not be deceived. Islam is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

Do not be deceived by false prophets and thier lies.

Judge thier actions, not thier propaganda.

You may be right. The people on this site may be plants. You may be wrong. They might be expressing their form of Islam honestly. Either way, I will not judge them. Either way, I will not be rude or impolite to them. My intention is not to legitimize evil. I am trying to get a view on a topic that I am interested in. According to other posts, there are no “origional” Korans left, as the first one was destroyed.

If Islam is a false religion, discussing that faith will expose it. If not, it will clarify.

Why the venom? Why the anger? Remember that we should pray for those who hate us, forgive our enemies. That is Christianity.

 

[Arbitro360]

You may be right. The people on this site may be plants. You may be wrong. They might be expressing their form of Islam honestly. Either way, I will not judge them. Either way, I will not be rude or impolite to them. My intention is not to legitimize evil. I am trying to get a view on a topic that I am interested in. According to other posts, there are no “origional” Korans left, as the first one was destroyed.

If Islam is a false religion, discussing that faith will expose it. If not, it will clarify.

Why the venom? Why the anger? Remember that we should pray for those who hate us, forgive our enemies. That is Christianity.

I will admit. I am uncharitable and often an “bad Christian.” My disgust and disdain for these heathen charlatans often gets the better of me. But I will say, I would much prefer to be a “bad” Christian than a good Dhimmi.

You are correct. We are to pray for our enemies, but this does not mean that we are to allow them to corrupt and destroy us. We must be vigilant. We must forgive sinners, and yet Fight Evil.

To me, Islam is an absolute evil. Sharia is evil, Jihad is evil. To deny this is a lie. To obfuscate this in order to “dialogue” with muslims serves no one’s purpose but the enemy’s.

 

[ralphinal]

I will admit. I am uncharitable and often an “bad Christian.” My disgust and disdain for these heathen charlatans often gets the better of me. But I will say, I would much prefer to be a “bad” Christian than a good Dhimmi.

You are correct. We are to pray for our enemies, but this does not mean that we are to allow them to corrupt and destroy us. We must be vigilant. We must forgive sinners, and yet Fight Evil.

To me, Islam is an absolute evil. Sharia is evil, Jihad is evil. To deny this is a lie. To obfuscate this in order to “dialogue” with muslims serves no one’s purpose but the enemy’s.

I am also often a bad Christian. It is not uncommon. Keep praying for the Muslims. And thank you for being vigilant. We always need someone looking out.

 

[widower4604]

Hmmm…ya I read some things on here and alot of people seem to get very…angry when it comes to Islam. But here is a question I have for christians: why do you say Allah is a different God than the One you worship when even Jesus called God by Allah?

Sure we get very angry. 9-11 was committed by practicing muslims. Your “god” enjoins muslims to subjugate Christians and extort protection money “jiyza” from us if we refuse to convert-it’s
all in either the Koran and the sunnah. Your model of behavior -Mohammed-was a viscious human being who is TOTALLY different from our model of behavior-Jesus Christ. Islam is as Islam acts. Muslims repeatedly REPEATEDLY mistreat Christians-they can base it on the superior war verses of the Koran and Mohammed himself with his conduct with non-muslims. We can’t worship and proselytize freely and openly in Saudi Arabia nor in many Muslim countries. We can’t build churches freely. We are second class citizens based on shariah law or the law that “Allah” supposedly gave to Mohammed verbatim. Our religion teaches us to be tolerant while yours humiliates our brothers and sisters in the faith and severely circumscribes the practice of our religion.

Who is the Muslim Allah? I think it is Lucifer or Satan who unless Mohammad made the Koran up totally himself appeared to Mohammed under the guise of being the angel Gabriel.

Listen I pray that you have a dream and have an encounter with a true being of light-Jesus Christ-perfect love-God & man who will open a door of sublime happiness for you.

I wish for you the peace that only the Prince of Peace-Jesus Christ True God and true man can give to you.

 

[dparker]

Sure we get very angry. 9-11 was committed by practicing muslims. Your “god” enjoins muslims to subjugate Christians and extort protection money “jiyza” from us if we refuse to convert-it’s
all in either the Koran and the sunnah. Your model of behavior -Mohammed-was a viscious human being who is TOTALLY different from our model of behavior-Jesus Christ. Islam is as Islam acts. Muslims repeatedly REPEATEDLY mistreat Christians-they can base it on the superior war verses of the Koran and Mohammed himself with his conduct with non-muslims. We can’t worship and proselytize freely and openly in Saudi Arabia nor in many Muslim countries. We can’t build churches freely. We are second class citizens based on shariah law or the law that “Allah” supposedly gave to Mohammed verbatim. Our religion teaches us to be tolerant while yours humiliates our brothers and sisters in the faith and severely circumscribes the practice of our religion.

Who is the Muslim Allah? I think it is Lucifer or Satan who unless Mohammad made the Koran up totally himself appeared to Mohammed under the guise of being the angel Gabriel.

Listen I pray that you have a dream and have an encounter with a true being of light-Jesus Christ-perfect love-God & man who will open a door of sublime happiness for you.

I wish for you the peace that only the Prince of Peace-Jesus Christ True God and true man can give to you.

GREAT first post. Welcome!

 

[widower4604]

Thanks-we have to help our Muslim brothers and sisters to
come to Christ. There are good ones out there that are fed up with the vengeful God and long to experience the love of God the Father. Also this bit about taquiyah being employed only to save your life-hmmm I don’t buy that-I hear it is used to bide your time
while a muslim is still in the minority. Islam believes that deceit is the essence of warfare and Islam owes it’s INCREDIBLE expanse to a little word called WAR.

 

[lhagan]

I keep seeing the Trinity brought up in Islam conversations but, I have not seen anybody break it down. To my understanding the father is God (Allah) himself,the son Jesus (because his body must be God’s son for he had no earthy father and his Spirit is a part of God (the father) ), and the Holy Spirit is God’s most famous Angel messenger.

Also, I’d like to know if Jews agree with the Old testament,feel that anything is missing or added etc. Are there more ancient texts of Judaism? Why did and do Jews disagree with Christians on Jesus?

 

[widower4604]

The Gospel (Gabriel himself) talks about Jesus being the son of the most high-Gabriel ain’t the one. Also Christ talks about people being like angels upon death neither marrying nor giving in marriage-Angels don’t have corporal bodies like ordinary men and women.

Also Gabriel didn’t reveal the Koran to Mohammed-this is a load of rot. I think it was the angel SATAN if any angel at all was involved and your “Allah” is an angry non-fatherly God that rewards “good”
muslims with endless carnal delights and has no problem with Mohammed’s followers raping hostage women.

GOD SAVE US FROM THIS EVIL RELIGION CALLED “ISLAM”

Why is it if Islam forbids pork Mohammed acted so often like an absolute SWINE!!!

 

[Arbitro360]

The Gospel (Gabriel himself) talks about Jesus being the son of the most high-Gabriel ain’t the one. Also Christ talks about people being like angels upon death neither marrying nor giving in marriage-Angels don’t have corporal bodies like ordinary men and women.

Also Gabriel didn’t reveal the Koran to Mohammed-this is a load of rot. I think it was the angel SATAN if any angel at all was involved and your “Allah” is an angry non-fatherly God that rewards “good”
muslims with endless carnal delights and has no problem with Mohammed’s followers raping hostage women.

GOD SAVE US FROM THIS EVIL RELIGION CALLED “ISLAM”

Why is it if Islam forbids pork Mohammed acted so often like an absolute SWINE!!!

Qu’ran 52:12’ 52:13, 53:1, 53:19, 46:30 and many other passages clearly portray Muhammad parleying and transmitting the messages of Satan, devils, pagan deities and “djinns.”

This “Allah” who resides in a meteorite encased within a stainless steel toilet within a stone cube in Mecca, is one of the pantheon of pagan deities who occupied the “great mosque” there since before the time of Muhammad. This is clearly admitted in the various histories.

Anyone with any religious feeling or sense can clearly detect who and what inspired this vicious and nonsensical “qu’ran.” Who better than an amoral, self-serving, illiterate, criminal, brigand and blasphemer to transmit it?

I encourage all who can stomach it to read the real thing. Judge for yourself who would “inspire” such a thing.

 

[Arbitro360]

I keep seeing the Trinity brought up in Islam conversations but, I have not seen anybody break it down. To my understanding the father is God (Allah) himself,the son Jesus (because his body must be God’s son for he had no earthy father and his Spirit is a part of God (the father) ), and the Holy Spirit is God’s most famous Angel messenger.

Also, I’d like to know if Jews agree with the Old testament,feel that anything is missing or added etc. Are there more ancient texts of Judaism? Why did and do Jews disagree with Christians on Jesus?

The Holy Trinity, in a metaphorical sense, is meant to convey the un-knowable nature of God. We humans in our imperfect and mortal state can never truly comprehend the fullness of the reality of God. We are like the blind man and the elephant. We each perceive that which is before us, without comprehending the whole.

The three are manifestations of the one, not separate, but three sides of the one being, like the face, the hand and the leg. These are separate parts, but they comprise parts of a whole.

This is the meaning of the Holy Trinity. Father (or Godhead), Son, (or Spirit made flesh) and Holy Spirit (pure spirit) the three parts of the whole which is God.

 

[lhagan]

Qu’ran 52:12’ 52:13, 53:1, 53:19, 46:30 and many other passages clearly portray Muhammad parleying and transmitting the messages of Satan, devils, pagan deities and “djinns.”

This “Allah” who resides in a meteorite encased within a stainless steel toilet within a stone cube in Mecca, is one of the pantheon of pagan deities who occupied the “great mosque” there since before the time of Muhammad. This is clearly admitted in the various histories.

Anyone with any religious feeling or sense can clearly detect who and what inspired this vicious and nonsensical “qu’ran.” Who better than an amoral, self-serving, illiterate, criminal, brigand and blasphemer to transmit it?

I encourage all who can stomach it to read the real thing. Judge for yourself who would “inspire” such a thing.

If they did read it and researched the religion they’d realize your lying about researching it and speaking out of pure unintelligent hatred.

 

[lhagan]

The Holy Trinity, in a metaphorical sense, is meant to convey the un-knowable nature of God. We humans in our imperfect and mortal state can never truly comprehend the fullness of the reality of God. We are like the blind man and the elephant. We each perceive that which is before us, without comprehending the whole.

The three are manifestations of the one, not separate, but three sides of the one being, like the face, the hand and the leg. These are separate parts, but they comprise parts of a whole.

This is the meaning of the Holy Trinity. Father (or Godhead), Son, (or Spirit made flesh) and Holy Spirit (pure spirit) the three parts of the whole which is God.

God would not have given you a Trinity you could not break down and fully understand each side.

Godhead sounds sick.
Spirit made flesh defines every human being. Unless you don’t have a spirit?
Seeing as how God made us in his image God must be a pure spirit.

 

[pismopal]

Thanks-we have to help our Muslim brothers and sisters to
come to Christ. There are good ones out there that are fed up with the vengeful God and long to experience the love of God the Father. Also this bit about taquiyah being employed only to save your life-hmmm I don’t buy that-I hear it is used to bide your time
while a muslim is still in the minority. Islam believes that deceit is the essence of warfare and Islam owes it’s INCREDIBLE expanse to a little word called WAR.

You have nailed it. Any one who says that taquiyah can only be used to save a life is practising taquiyah perfectly. The idea that people of another faith are fair game for persecution, rape,murder and enslavement must be confronted without the usual niceties. When something is just evil how do you sugar coat it, why would you want to? It is Islam that considers non muslims to be pigs and dogs or sub human. I am not making this stuff up…I wish that I was.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I think a decent talk should be decent.

Quran

[16:126] Call unto the way of thy Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation and argue with them in a way that is best. Surely, thy Lord knows best who has strayed from His way; and He also knows those who are rightly guided.
[16:127] And if you decide to punish the oppressors, then punish them to the extent to which you have been wronged; but if you show patience then, surely, that is best for those who are patient.
[16:128] **And, O Prophet, endure thou with patience; and verily thy patience is possible only with the help of Allah. And grieve not for them, nor feel distressed because of their evil designs. **
[16:129] Verily, Allah is with those who are righteous and those who do good.
Unquote

Thanks

 

[pismopal]

God would not have given you a Trinity you could not break down and fully understand each side.

Godhead sounds sick.
Spirit made flesh defines every human being. Unless you don’t have a spirit?
Seeing as how God made us in his image God must be a pure spirit.

The Trinity is much easier for me to understand than the idea that G-d would encourage the mistreatment of other people because they aren’t Muslims. The real mystery for me is the mother who sends her son to kill innocent people and then says she is proud of him and that her son has pleased G-d.
The form of G-d would seem to me to be less important than what G-d wants for us in our lives…to murder and torture “non believers” is not my idea of G-d’s desire for us. Please do enlighten me!

 

[YADA]

I posted this earlier with no reply from Nicko…also Nicko, you posted a link from an anti-catholic web site alamo ministries, then decried when others posted from anti-islam sites…you started the web site war … if you want to discuss church history or church teachings then stick with scholarly sites and stay away from anti-catholic hate groups…

Blessings Nicro,

Christians believe that there is One God and only One God…The Trinity is a mystery…the Three Persons is understood in the Greek meaning “personas” . Not three “people” like the three stooges or Ton, **** and Harry…

While a profound mystery it is understood as well as we motals can understand it … Trinity is relational … in how One Being [God] relates to his creation [us]… and how his creation relates to the One God…

For example, I am one person, Me, I am not more than the one being … All at the same time, I am my parents child [a daughter], my siblings sister, a wife, the mother to my children, a grandmother, a friend, an employor, a citizen of the United States, etc. I am One Person but I relate to those around in in vstly different ways…and the roles can come and go through linear time and / or I can be several all at once [at large family gatherings for example]

God entered time [through the person of Jesus] and yet stands outside of time…One of the mysteries of the Trinity is not that there are Three Persons but that the Perfection of God is contained in those Three Persons and not more…The Trinity is the perfection of Love, the perfection of Creation, the perfection of Family…all else is imitation and cannot have that same perfection [even if the personas number a in the millions]

Why did God decide to enter into time? God knows, it is His design…But God is outside of Time the Alpha and the Omega, the One Who Was, Who Is and Who Is To Come…The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit…One God…

I hope this helps you understand us…

 

[lhagan]

The Trinity is much easier for me to understand than the idea that G-d would encourage the mistreatment of other people because they aren’t Muslims. The real mystery for me is the mother who sends her son to kill innocent people and then says she is proud of him and that her son has pleased G-d.
The form of G-d would seem to me to be less important than what G-d wants for us in our lives…to murder and torture “non believers” is not my idea of G-d’s desire for us. Please do enlighten me!

A Sunni Muslim once told me before Islam came about the country was very perverse with evil sickening sins. Burying alive of little girls because they “disgraced” the family and owning slaves etc.

It was barely even a century ago that the U.S still had slaves and many Christians believe the U.S. is a Christian nation,although the constitution contradicts that. But contradicting the constitution doesn’t discourage our government so I guess it shouldn’t discourage Christians.

But I was really just trying to entice a better definition for the Trinity. The definition they gave me doesn’t encourage a conversion.

 

[qui_est_ce]

A Sunni Muslim once told me before Islam came about the country was very perverse with evil sickening sins. Burying alive of little girls because they “disgraced” the family and owning slaves etc.

and they still do. I just read about a woman who was whipped and imprisoned for being in a car with a non-related male. She had been gang-raped.

It was barely even a century ago that the U.S still had slaves and many Christians believe the U.S. is a Christian nation,although the constitution contradicts that. But contradicting the constitution doesn’t discourage our government so I guess it shouldn’t discourage Christians.

Catholic nuns in St. Louis taught slaves on boats in the Missippi, because it was illegal to educate them.

 

[Arbitro360]

If they did read it and researched the religion they’d realize your lying about researching it and speaking out of pure unintelligent hatred.

Ha hahahahaha
Fine, I’ll take my chances.

You can defend that vile, blasphemous, unintelligible baloney all the live long day, it doesn’t change what it is.

Let the reader decide.