How can somebody find Mary? I ask the same question. Mary is in our hearts, and She leads us to Her Son. If protestants donHow can you “find Mary” if she doesn’t exist as the Catholic Church says she does? We believe she has ascended into Heaven. If you think of her as dead, then how would you be in danger of “finding” her? lol
I think you can go to ANY church and never “find” Christ, if you are mislead into having an attitude such as, “Well, it wasn’t specifically spelled out in Scripture, and I don’t trust this Pope guy’s revelations or interpretations, so I’m going to go with what my gut tells me.” or “I just don’t like it, it must be wrong.”
t behold their heavenly Mother, that is something they have to deal with and figure out why they dont. We take the words from the Cross very seriously.I can’t post it here (copyright violation) but I’ve got a short book that explains, using Scripture why God planned for there to be a number of different denominations. (Title is Why God planned for Different Denominations.)Pretty soon, you have what we have now - thousands of differing Protestant belief systems. This is not what Jesus wanted and I’ll show you that from scripture.
Rome had no influence on the development and growth of 景教, or, as some have claimed, 神道 as a branch of Christianity.I don`t know what you are trying to say.
you can use that book and we`ll use the Bible for our case I suppose.I can’t post it here (copyright violation) but I’ve got a short book that explains, using Scripture why God planned for there to be a number of different denominations. (Title is Why God planned for Different Denominations.)
It takes pericopes from the Torah, The Writings, The Gospels, The Pauline Epistles, and the Non-Pauline Epistles, to make its case.
jonathon
I already asked, then who did?Rome had no influence on the development and growth of 景教, or, as some have claimed, 神道 as a branch of Christianity.
Furthermore, based on the extant manuscripts, neither Rome nor Nicea had any influence on which books were Canonical as Sacred Scripture.
jonathon
I can’t post it here (copyright violation) but I’ve got a short book that explains, using Scripture why God planned for there to be a number of different denominations. (Title is Why God planned for Different Denominations.)
It takes pericopes from the Torah, The Writings, The Gospels, The Pauline Epistles, and the Non-Pauline Epistles, to make its case.
FOUL! FOUL! I CALL FOUL!jonathon
LOL!How can somebody find Mary? I ask the same question. Mary is in our hearts, and She leads us to Her Son. If protestants dont behold their heavenly Mother, that is something they have to deal with and figure out why they dont. We take the words from the Cross very seriously.
I bet you have… Was this information in that same book that said Jesus wanted multiple denominations that believed different things?I’ve looked at the history of the bible.
The earliest formally defined Canon of books, which became the current Bible was constructed by Gnostic Christians.
Some people live in worlds where self-responsibility is a foreign concept, and as such, one that they are unable to grasp, much less master.Some people need to get it through their heads:
a) Most of the organizations that are based around a book, and have no interpretive authority, do not not have a formal,legal structure. This does not mean that they do not have longevity. They do. (The largest one I am aware of is roughly forty years old. The oldest one I am aware of, is more than a century old. )a Source document (i.e. Scripture) alone HAS NEVER WORKED TO FOUND AN ORGANIZATION AROUND. There has to be a body that has interpretive authority, otherwise you have a big unruly mess.
a) Roughly 120 years, Lysander Spooner ( The Constitution of No Authority ) demonstrated why the Constitution of the United States of America was not binding upon anybody who was then living.Otherwise, why does America need a government, we have a Constitution after all! SOLA CONSTITUTIONALISTS UNITE!
They had very occasional contact with Antioch, but for the most part fended for themselves, and what was taught them by their spiritual fathers, traced back to St Thomas, the disciple.I already asked, then who did?
From that, do I conclude that The Torah, The Writings, The Gospels, The Pauline Epistles, and The Non-Pauline Epistles are not part of the Bible?you can use that book and we`ll use the Bible for our case I suppose.
Marcioninformation that the current Biblical canon was formed by Gnostics?
And most of all, the protestant “deformation” was a schizmSorry, pal. That doesn’t wash.
You cannot be part of the Catholic Church when you don’t accept her.
What do you think the Protestant Rebellion (Reformation) was all about? Nothing was "reformed" - new ideas and new beliefs were formed. New churches with new belief systems were formed. That’s not the Universal Christian Church. It’s tens of thousands of break-off churches with their own sets of beliefs.
Take the time to re-read those posts. Justification was not the only thing I was referring to.Tom you found it necessary to PM me and call me out here so you can talk about justification?
No where on this thread do I talk about justification.
I was addressing the false notion that
The Church= The Roman Catholic Church
and
the catholic(universal) church = The Roman Catholic Church.
Is this a joke? Either you’re purposely trying to misinform us or you haven’t studied it. Marcion was excommunicated from the Catholic Church in 144 AD for starting schisms within the Church… He had his own ideas on what should be included as inspired Scripture and it was NOT the same canon we have today…Marcion
jonathon
Why? Even if we could, what would it prove?I admit I have not read all the posts on this thread, but so far, I have seen very few attempts by Protestants to answer the dare fully. Disproving the Catholic Church does not prove your own denomination:
Prove, from history, that your denomination can trace itself back to the Apostolic/Scriptural Era.
Actually it’s a Burger King ditty as I recall. FWIW.Without history, it turns Protestantism into a **** shoot (the dice game). Just roll the dice: Baptist, Evangelical, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Anglican, Pentecostal, Messianic Jewish, Methodist, etc. Just roll them dice Billy-Bob and take yo’ pick. Reminds of that old McDonald restaurant ditty: “Have it your way today.”
I don’t know of any Protestant church that claims the Bible is all you need. If they did they would be telling me that me 'n my Bible in my camp in Clayton Lake Maine is the way to go.Some people need to get it through their heads: a Source document (i.e. Scripture) alone HAS NEVER WORKED TO FOUND AN ORGANIZATION AROUND. There has to be a body that has interpretive authority, otherwise you have a big unruly mess.
EDIT: Otherwise, why does America need a government, we have a Constitution after all! SOLA CONSTITUTIONALISTS UNITE!
a) Marcion was the first individual to construct a list of what was canonical for Christianity. Prior to him, there were no lists of books that were canonical for Christianity.He had his own ideas on what should be included as inspired Scripture and it was NOT the same canon we have today…