Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[Tracyms1974]

I was so mad at the way the media just ate this story up like it was some delectable cheesecake or something. I told my co-worker that all anyone had to do was go to NRLC website or any other pro-life website to see stories of the violence done to pro-lifers, but of COURSE the secular media will NEVER put those on the news. It’s not fair at all.

Look, I know that what happened to this butcher, er, doctor was not justified, but sometimes when you make your bed you sleep in it, ya know? If I were a woman, for example, who regularly and without shame made a point to find husbands with money, sleep with them, and turn around and use blackmail to make money, I would not be surprised one bit if my days were numbered. One of those victimized wives could easily “go postal” on me and I’d be put in a pine box. This is just a hypothetical example, but the point is, those who do wrong continually risk death by vigillanteeism, and they are fools to think otherwise.

Gotta go.

Tracy

 

[cathgal]

Then why does God allow abortions? Is it just time for them to “checkout”, too?

What would God has to do to end abortion?

He would have to take away man’s free will. If that is the case, we would not be who we are.

But that doesn’t mean He can’t intervene to stop some from happening. If He intervenes, it’s because it’s within His plan.

He allows, not will it. Big difference.

With Tiller, I guess God has no plan for him. It might have years ago, but it never comes to fruition.

 

[Sonic]

People somehow know that God intended to call Tiller up for judgment?

If one believes that everyone is called to account for their sins when they die, then the answer would be yes. The manner of death is irrelevant. It could have easily been a falling limb from an oak tree or a sudden hemorrhage.

The thing is that a person can only make that assessment after the event has happened, and not before it takes place. Before an event takes place, then no one knows what God intends.

 

[North_of_Nod]

How awful! It really doesn’t help the pro-life movement at all. In fact, it’s been quite damaging. Now pro-lifers will just get more bad press…GRRRRRRR!!

 

[tm30]

What would God has to do to end abortion?

The same thing you were expecting him to do to prevent George Tiller from being murdered. If God’s will is ascertained by default by everything that occurs, then why won’t He intervene to protect the unborn child?

He would have to take away man’s free will. If that is the case, we would not be who we are.

Yet you seem to think it was God’s will that George TIller get taken out.

But that doesn’t mean He can’t intervene to stop some from happening. If He intervenes, it’s because it’s within His plan.

He could stop every abortion on earth.

He allows, not will it. Big difference.

Correct. So, why are people certain that God wanted him for judgment “right now”?

With Tiller, I guess God has no plan for him. It might have years ago, but it never comes to fruition.

So God simply stops loving certain people? I guess I don’t understand all of the “It was God’s will!” bluster being bantered on this thread, followed by, “well, he ‘allows’ it” and “well, I guess he didn’t really have a plan for him.”

Bottom line. We have free will. God will sometimes intervene. 99.9999% of the time he will not. Because Tiller is dead is not evidence God wanted him dead.

 

[wabrams]

By this argument, pro-abortion activists have the justification of killing pro-life demonstrators in self defense, too. I mean, if it’s okay to take the law in your own hands, then you can’t deny that we will reap the bitter harvest, as well - and it only galvanizes the pro-abortion movement.

Again, “live by the sword, die by the sword” - what does it mean to you?

Maybe you can share with us how many people pro-life protestetors have killed versus the number of people killed by abortionist.

 

[tm30]

If one believes that everyone is called to account for their sins when they die, then the answer would be yes. The manner of death is irrelevant. It could have easily been a falling limb from an oak tree or a sudden hemorrhage.

The thing is that a person can only make that assessment after the event has happened, and not before it takes place. Before an event takes place, then no one knows what God intends.

So, since we believe that the unborn child is also human, we can only assume that abortions occur because God wants these children before him, and not because of our perverted free will.

 

[tm30]

Maybe you can share with us how many people pro-life protestetors have killed versus the number of people killed by abortionist.

Relativism has no place in the Church. To murder one man to save many was the coax of the Pharisees with Pontius Pilate, don’t forget.

 

[wabrams]

Relativism has no place in the Church. To murder one man to save many was the coax of the Pharisees with Pontius Pilate, don’t forget.

Then why did you post that.

 

[cathgal]

True, but the person who shot Tiller didn’t know the will of God or what God knew about Tiller’s capability or incapability of changing. Vengeance belongs to God and not the shooter.

I think this is what many people are trying to say. They are simply trying to point out that the shooters actions were not justified… even though God intended to call Tiller up for judgment.

Perhaps it would be better to say the gunman presumed on God’s rights over life and death… instead of saying that Tiller was robbed of the chance of repentance.

It was Tiller’s time to pass away, no doubt. I don’t know what the alternative to what happened could have been, but the shooter was also given a choice by God and wasn’t just a automaton designed to bring tiller to justice.

It is the gunman’s free will to kill Tiller. It’s God’s prerogative to stop him or not.

If God still has plan for Tiller, like conversion of heart and therefore, speak about the evil of abortion, He would not allow Tiller to die.

Apparently, there wouldn’t be such a plan seeing as how God knows all.

‘So Tiller, if you live, you’ll live; if you die, you’ll die; but I wouldn’t stop it from happening because I see you bear no fruit in sight’ is how I imagine God would say.

 

[mmm1]

yes, and they will use it to fuel their bloodlust so they can continue to murder thousands of children everyday.

Can I just say that we would be wise to understand that not everyone in the the culture of death is truly evil & is looking to satisfy their “bloodlust?” There are those I’m sure that are just trying to pay for their boat & luxury vacations & are just plain evil, but some doctors & volunteers that work at PP & other places are just terribly misguided.

They are wrong, but they have been led to believe by many (parents, educators, media & many in medical society) that they are providing a medical necessity. They have been fed lies for years, & they are seriously commited to what they do. If we worked along side them in the PTA, we might not know their views, & they would probably share some of ours. They think they are helping women & that even the children are better off. Some in the culture of death were unwanted or abused themselves.

We may never reach them or change their hearts if we use inflammatory language or insults.

 

[LoveJesus]

Why don’t people get that they just don’t have the ability to understand why God does what He does and allows to happen what happens? God is not like us. God does not think like we do, so we can not apply human reasoning to Him.

 

[JReducation]

The bottom line is that there are two situations that Catholics must embrace, maybe a third.

1. What Dr. Tiller did was murder and a violation of human rights against the unborn. There are no other ways to look at this.
2. The gunman who shot Dr. Tiller has no more right to take someone’s life than Dr. Tiller hard. There is no other way to look at this either. Our faith is not about an eye for an eye.
3. The last reality that we must embrace is mercy. Gold’s mercy is infinite. We have a duty to pray for Dr. Tiller’s soul and for the conversion of his killer.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[Lujack]

It is Tiller’s free will to abort the baby. It’s God’s prerogative to stop him or not.

If God still has plan for the baby, like conversion of heart and therefore, speak about the evil of abortion, He would not allow the baby to die.

Apparently, there wouldn’t be such a plan seeing as how God knows all.

‘So, baby, , if you live, you’ll live; if you die, you’ll die; but I wouldn’t stop it from happening because I see you bear no fruit in sight’ is how I imagine God would say.

Unless you apply that logic to each and every death, it doesn’t hold any water. We cannot, we do not, and we never will understand God’s plan. To say God’s will was for Tiller to be murdered is ridiculous.

 

[cathgal]

The same thing you were expecting him to do to prevent George Tiller from being murdered. If God’s will is ascertained by default by everything that occurs, then why won’t He intervene to protect the unborn child?

You don’t seem to understand free will.

Abortion is not the only evil in this world. Why not just tell God to make the whole world a paradise where there is no such thing as sin/evil. The only possibility is all humans are robots. Programmed to do exactly what God commands

But you know you’re not a robot and you wouldn’t have it any other way.

Yet you seem to think it was God’s will that George TIller get taken out.

I don’t know if it was God’s will and you shouldn’t presume to know it either, but I can surely say it was allowed.

He could stop every abortion on earth.

If there is no such thing as free will, abortion wouldn’t exist.

Correct. So, why are people certain that God wanted him for judgment “right now”?

People? They say whatever they want. You don’t have to agree w/ them. One thing for sure, Tiller is getting his judgement.

So God simply stops loving certain people? I guess I don’t understand all of the “It was God’s will!” bluster being bantered on this thread, followed by, “well, he ‘allows’ it” and “well, I guess he didn’t really have a plan for him.”

You don’t think it makes sense?

God doesn’t stop loving. For all we know, God might’ve been merciful to Tiller on his last breath.

In case you’ve forgotten, God controls His creation. Nothing that was done was not allowed by Him.

Bottom line. We have free will. God will sometimes intervene. 99.9999% of the time he will not. Because Tiller is dead is not evidence God wanted him dead.

Why blame God?

Blame the gunman. It’s his will to shoot Tiller.

 

[mmm1]

Enough of this could’ve, would’ve. Tiller wasn’t robbed of any chance. He didn’t need it was more like it.

What’s done is done. If it wasn’t time for Tiller to checkout, God would not allow his death. Nothing that was done that was not allowed by God. He would know if the heart is capable of changing. Even you living 'til this day is because God allows you to.

I have read a number of times today that God is ok with this murder because He allowed it. If I am misunderstanding these comments, I apologize.

If I am interpreting them correctly, I find it so offensive. God does not agree with or accept everything He allows to happen.

Did God want Amish children to die at that school in PA? Is God ok with people who kill entire families?

I have read a number of times today that God must have wanted Tiller dead yesterday because He allowed this, & it is just wrong.

Daughter needs computer to work on essay, but please consider this logic is flawed…

 

[mmm1]

People somehow know that God intended to call Tiller up for judgment?

You know this how?

Can’t we apply this logic to every abortion and say it was “just their time”, since God didn’t stop the abortion from occuring?

Oh, thank you, I so agree with you!

 

[hosemonkey]

All the pop psychology aside, most, if not all, prolifers viewed George Tiller and his ilk as particularly odious bugs who’s demise is not mourned. Even a cursory examination of his philosophy and methods and his true regard for the unborn (as aside from his phoney “compassion”) places him among true monsters like Joseph Mengele. The thing that is striking about Tiller, as with Mengele, is his total banality. No red eyes, no snarling lips, no crazed eyes, just an ordinary-appearing Joe with a pretty wife and grandchildren, very much like Mengele, who loved his dog and music. But Tiller was able to slaughter more than 60,000 children, by his own admission. Didn’t take any waterboarding to make him 'fess up, he was proud of the number. Slept just fine at night. I’m not wasting any compassion on George Tiller. Poor 'ol Doc Mengele, I guess according to those who are weeping and wailing for Tiller, poor 'ol Doc Mengele was just a little before his time.

 

[JReducation]

I have read a number of times today that God is ok with this murder because He allowed it. If I am misunderstanding these comments, I apologize.

If I am interpreting them correctly, I find it so offensive. God does not agree with or accept everything He allows to happen.

Did God want Amish children to die at that school in PA? Is God ok with people who kill entire families?

I have read a number of times today that God must have wanted Tiller dead yesterday because He allowed this, & it is just wrong.

Daughter needs computer to work on essay, but please consider this logic is flawed…

In theology there is something called “God’s passive will.” This means that God allows something to happen, because he does not interfere in human freedom of choice. It does not mean that God endorses human choices. This is a big difference.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF

 

[wabrams]

All the pop psychology aside, most, if not all, prolifers viewed George Tiller and his ilk as particularly odious bugs who’s demise is not mourned. Even a cursory examination of his philosophy and methods and his true regard for the unborn (as aside from his phoney “compassion”) places him among true monsters like Joseph Mengele. The thing that is striking about Tiller, as with Mengele, is his total banality. No red eyes, no snarling lips, no crazed eyes, just an ordinary-appearing Joe with a pretty wife and grandchildren, very much like Mengele, who loved his dog and music. But Tiller was able to slaughter more than 60,000 children, by his own admission. Didn’t take any waterboarding to make him 'fess up, he was proud of the number. Slept just fine at night. I’m not wasting any compassion on George Tiller. Poor 'ol Doc Mengele, I guess according to those who are weeping and wailing for Tiller, poor 'ol Doc Mengele was just a little before his time.

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