Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

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mpi said:
I am formulating my opinion based on the above. Anybody know why this killing isn’t justified?
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If the law changed then at worst he would have been arrested. Then his practices would have been stopped. Or, someone could have burnt down his clinic while he was in church, if one wants to resort to violence. There were other options.

So this killing was not justified. In my opinion.
 
Ridgerunner said:
It may well be that the abortion forces will make a martyr of Tiller and blame prolifers, etc, etc, etc. But their campaign for the Culture of Death and against the Culture of Life was relentless anyway.
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What do you mean by that? As far as I know, the pro-choice forces have simply advocated for pro-Roe Supremes just as the anti-abortion side has advocated for anti-Roe Supremes. The pro-choice forces have funds raised and supported pro-Roe pols just as the anti-abortion side has supported anti-Roe pols. What’s wrong with that? That’s the way the game works.

Shooting people, on the other hand, is not the way the game works.
 
This shouldn’t be a black eye for the pro-life movement, but it will be.

Instead of being a freak and isolated incident between individuals, it will be exploited by those with political agendas by nefarious forces.

Christians are held to hire standards for a reason.
According to the Catechism, the four conditions for a just war are 1) “the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain”; 2) “all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective”; 3) “there must be serious prospects of success”; and 4) “the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated” (CCC 2309).
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I am formulating my opinion based on the above. Anybody know why this killing isn’t justified?
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Because Mercy requires us to look for other way to battle on this abortion front, for instance we’re always supposed to believe in this life there’s always hope. The plaintiff who was used as a Pawn for instance in Roe V. Wade eventually realized her wrongs, and repented and became staunchly pro-life. This isn’t a war where we have no other options but “violence” # 2) #3) of that part exposes your question and application of CCC 2309, as horribly flawed and twisted. It’s too general to be applied in this instance because it’s **in respect **to a scenario where self-defense protection from violence is necessary.

That said, I don’t know what state of mind Abortion doctors are in, but I don’t want to know how that feels. You’d have to be pretty submersed and partners with the Devil-- Dr. Kevorkian style to actively participate with that slaughter as your livelihood.

It’s like JPII refers to as “the loss of the SENSE of sin” as sin in these modern times.

“If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” 1 John 1:8)

I feel sorry for his family, and hope that he repented when he met his maker, but I’m not going to ignore his free will to practice evils. I think its as disingenuous as feeling overtly morose if a Saddam or somoene like a King Herod dies. Be respectful, but don’t be blind.
To paint him as a martyr is a sick and twisted commentary on pro-abortion people.
 
wabrams said:
Interesting word to use.
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I don’t like it and see it as a jab at pro-lifers.

For one thing, these people are nuts, and isolated and the real fringe kooks they have nothing to do with us.

It’s not terroriristic, ITS CRIMINAL. It’s almost used in a way as “gloating”

Also not all “churches” are sacred settings anymore. There are a lot of fake churches/congregations, I don’t know what real Christian church wouldn’t try to rebuke that doctor.
 
**George Tiller’s killer was arrested today on Interstate 35.
**Johnson County Sheriff’s deputies stopped the suspect on I-35 between the two main Gardner exits around 1:30 p.m. He surrendered without incident. He is in custody of Gardner police and Johnson County Sheriff’s deputies.

He went inside a church and shot Tiller while his wife was singing in the choir.
KansasCity.com reported:

The suspect in this morning’s fatal shooting of George Tiller is in custody, according to emergency dispatchers.

Authorities have yet to release more information about the arrest. Wichita police have scheduled a 4 p.m. news conference to discuss the case.

Tiller, 67, was shot just after 10 a.m. in the lobby of Reformation Lutheran Church at 7601 E. 13th, where he was a member of the congregation. Witnesses, a city official and a police source confirmed Tiller was the victim.

Police had said they were looking for white male who was driving a 1990s powder blue Ford Taurus with Kansas license plate 225 BAB. The vehicle is registered to an owner in Merriam, which is in the Kansas City area.
 
Veridical16 said:
It’s not terroriristic, ITS CRIMINAL. It’s almost used in a way as “gloating”
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well thats one of the first rules of arguing. when you are in the position of the pro-abortion crowd and have a side so indefensible, then you have to attack your opponet instead of defending your points, because its all you can do. expect to hear a lot more of it in the coming days.
 
Norminha said:
As a Priest For Life volunteer, I’m in close contact with Fr. Pavone, President of the Organization “Against abortion.” I just received a letter with the following introduction.

Dear Friend,

As I was preparing to send you my regular column, I got the news this morning that abortionist George Tiller was killed today in Wichita, KS.

Following is the statement I released this morning to the media:

I asked him why he’s not happy with the killing of an abortionist.
Why he said that every life needs to be protected?
Is he not a liberal?
Never to wish harm, but to forgive a murderer?
I agree: I’ll die as I lived, fair enough
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I’m on the Priests for Life mailing list and got that e-mail, too. I was surprised and grateful that Fr. Pavone was so quick with an up-to-date message.
 
Kansas pro-life groups have condemned the killing, too.

The man is shot in church while his wife is singing in the choir. That’s terroristic. Murder is shooting him as he enters the clinic or on the golf course, or whatever.
 
The perp also pointed the gun at a couple of fellow church-goers who were going to try to stop him from getting away, according to witnesses. Even if you are willing to accept killing Dr. Tiller as a higher good, surely that would be beyond the pale.

Plus, trying to get away in the first place does not sound particularly principled to me. Nor is it going to help any kind of insanity defense.

Right now, there is not a lot known. The police don’t seem to be releasing his name. I don’t know if it was a personal grudge, a political grudge, or what.

If it was politically motivated, that is, it was someone who was so anti-abortion that taking a life seemed like a good action, then yes, it would be an act of terrorism. An attempting to short-circuit the political process by using violence.
 
i doubt this was simply a pro-lifer.

odds are this guy had something to gain. most likely he was shot at church because thats where he was easiest to find(name in bulliten as an usher). this was not a terroistic attack. it wasnt right, but it will e used as fodder by the forces of evil to trample what is left of the rights and morals of this country.

pray for all pro-abort politicians to resign.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
The man is shot in church while his wife is singing in the choir. That’s terroristic. Murder is shooting him as he enters the clinic or on the golf course, or whatever.
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Just b/c you want to put a spin on it by calling it “terroristic” doesn’t make it so. He didn’t kill Tiller b/c of opposing political or religious views; he killed Tiller b/c he was a murderer who hid behind an unjust law.
 
I know that we have discussed the negative impact that this act of vigilante justice will have on the pro-life movement. But God often brings something good out of evil. I think all the media attention will call attention to the horror of what this man was all about. The videos about Tiller on the local Kansas website are not flattering:

fox4kc.com/wdaf-george-tiller-shot-killed-story-53109,0,7908213.story

I wonder if even one person will see the testimony of Kelly and reconsider their “pro-choice” stance. This is a video that pro-choice people would not normally be watching, were it not for the killing of Tiller today. If something good has to come out of this tragedy, and the whole thing is a tragedy, from Tiller’s support of and performing abortions to the violent act today, it will be the spotlight cast on Tiller’s grisly record of late-term abortions.
 
wabrams said:
Just b/c you want to put a spin on it by calling it “terroristic” doesn’t make it so. He didn’t kill Tiller b/c of opposing political or religious views; he killed Tiller b/c he was a murderer who hid behind an unjust law.
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I’m not spinning a thing. You could call it self-defense and Tiller would still be dead.
 
Beau_Ouiville said:
I’m not spinning a thing. You could call it self-defense and Tiller would still be dead.
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When you call this a “terroristic” killing you are acting like the Federal government when they label pro-lifers, vets, pro-2nd amendment people etc terrorists.
 
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