Abortion Doctor Geroge Tiller Murdered this morning

[wabrams]

Thousands of babies were unarmed by him, too, but only because the arms were sucked through a vacuum. Is that graphic enough for everyone? Sorry, but let’s get real here. This man was not a martyr.

I was refering to the man who shot Tiller as not being “heartless.” IMO Tiller was a heatless you-know-what.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

Everybody from the president down is assuming this was a prolife vigilante. It could have been a set up by his wife for all we know. Jeepers.

i honestly think it was setup by the pro-aborts, maybe even tiller himself, so they could galvonize support for their evil and push forward with their murder and dehumionazation of all who oppose them.

 

[a_cermak]

I don’t understand the distinction. Are you saying that the woman is guilty of murder, and the doctor is only following her wishes? The decision “not to remain pregnant” involves killing a human being. So, yes…the human being will die once that decision is made and actions carried out. How is that not murder?

Well, yes, I am saying that the person choosing to not continue the pregnancy is the pregnant woman.

Another point is that we have no way of saving a pre-viability baby (and I use and have in this thread used the term child, baby and fetus interchangeably), so in that context, what difference does the tool used make?

My larger point is that people who talk about saving babies forget that all of the burden of “saving” the child falls to the pregnant woman. She is the one who will be inconvenienced, maybe have her health worsened (both gestational hypertension and gestational diabetes can be dangerous), maybe be bankrupted by medical costs she can’t afford.

I do hope that science figures out how to use animal wombs or create a maturation chamber or somesuch as an alternative to abortion.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

I was refering to the man who shot Tiller as not being “heartless.” IMO Tiller was a heatless you-know-what.

Yeah, I know. I was actually responding to the person you were responding to who said Tiller was “unarmed”.

 

[Rascalking]

It was a heartless**** slaying. No matter how strongly you feel about abortion, and I have marched on the pro-life side for years, given ALOT of money to ALL, Rock for Life, etc, you need to condemn this act of violence! We can’t hand out vigilante justice! We should be in prayer for his family, and may God have mercy on his soul.

PS-I am very much for the death penalty when applied to in a case that deserves such…just with little things like a fair trial, impartial jury, little things like that.

 

[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

Another point is that we have no way of saving a pre-viability baby

We do have a way. It’s called not sucking a baby out of the womb with a vacuum.

 

[rlg94086]

Well, yes, I am saying that the person choosing to not continue the pregnancy is the pregnant woman.

Another point is that we have no way of saving a pre-viability baby (and I use and have in this thread used the term child, baby and fetus interchangeably), so in that context, what difference does the tool used make?

My larger point is that people who talk about saving babies forget that all of the burden of “saving” the child falls to the pregnant woman. She is the one who will be inconvenienced, maybe have her health worsened (both gestational hypertension and gestational diabetes can be dangerous), maybe be bankrupted by medical costs she can’t afford.

I do hope that science figures out how to use animal wombs or create a maturation chamber or somesuch as an alternative to abortion.

Okay…you just weren’t being very clear. So, you are saying it is murder, but once the woman determines to murder her child, there is nothing anyone can do to save him/her. Correct?

I’m not sure how this ties in to the thread. Are you referring to the inference by some that the killing of the doctor is in defense of babies?

 

[Angels_Unaware]

I am appalled that some antiabortion people here consider this act of murder and terrorism to be a form of “justice.” This terrorism and murder was not justice in any sense of the word and must be categorically condemned.

I also urge antiabortion people to refrain from using inflammatory language in the choice debate. Referring to abortion as “murder” or the situation of abortion as a “holocaust” is possibly IMO partly responsible for creating the culturally extremist climate that leads to tragedies and acts of murder and terrorism such as by this antiabortion person.

Fosio,
Anybody who does not recognize that taking a scalpel to a living creature with human DNA, brainwaves, and a heart beat and tearing it limb from limb so that a woman can rid herself of the responsibility of either caring for her child or allowing an adoptive family to care for that child is willfully blind and bordering on being mentally incompetent.

ABORTION IS MURDER

 

[Paul_Vincent]

I think it is safe to say that a person who performs abortions, especially late term abortios, is a little more than “undesirable.”

I don’t think that’s safe to say, at all. While this person’s actions are undesirable, we should desire along with God that this person come to the full knowledge of truth and a saving faith in Jesus Christ.

I’m also not sure I draw the distinction you do between abortions in general and “especially late term abortions.” If life begins at conception, then the taking of that life is as grave a matter prior to birth as it is after, and abortion is murder whether it happens in the first or third trimester.

 

[MrS]

Thousands of babies were unarmed by him, too, but only because the arms were sucked through a vacuum. Is that graphic enough for everyone? Sorry, but let’s get real here. This man was not a martyr.

This is what he stood for:

abortionno.org/

And it is certainly not health care for the defenseless child of God.

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[DeoSalvatoreMeo]

I don’t think that’s safe to say, at all. While this person’s actions are undesirable, we should desire along with God that this person come to the full knowledge of truth and a saving faith in Jesus Christ.

I’m also not sure I draw the distinction you do between abortions in general and “especially late term abortions.” If life begins at conception, then the taking of that life is as grave a matter prior to birth as it is after, and abortion is murder whether it happens in the first or third trimester.

I think the use of the phrase “especially late-term abortions” intends to say that even when it is clear to the most strident of abortion supporters that this is a living baby, fully developed, Dr. Tiller terminated these babies’ lives.

 

[OriginalJS]

I’m also not sure I draw the distinction you do between abortions in general and “especially late term abortions.” If life begins at conception, then the taking of that life is as grave a matter prior to birth as it is after, and abortion is murder whether it happens in the first or third trimester.

This is logically correct morally, but conceptually difficult for many. I think this is why lawmakers have limited times for legal abortions and have found partial birth abortions abhorrent. If you accept that life begins at conception there isn’t any difference, as a matter of morals, between an abortion at three weeks or the killing of a 30 year old man.

 

[aicirt]

I’m curious to know how churches like Tiller’s feels about an abortionist. I believe up until the 1930s, the mainline Protestant Churches, were against abortion and birth control.

I have difficulty with Pelosi and the others who call themselves Catholic. What is it like to have a member of one’s church state he’s aborted 60,000? How does one accept that?

 

[wabrams]

I think the use of the phrase “especially late-term abortions” intends to say that even when it is clear to the most strident of abortion supporters that this is a living baby, fully developed, Dr. Tiller terminated these babies’ lives.

Thank you, you pretty much hit the nail on the head.

 

[pnewton]

I do not know it anyone has said this yet, but my first thought is why I do not agree with that actions of the gunman personally, is it right to legislate his right to choice to terminate the life of this other person?

In fact, everything said about this act of violence is ironic in light of what this man did, from Obama calling it an heinous act of violence, to his widow’s remark, "“This is particularly heart-wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace.” Huh??? Any more of a place of haven than a mother’s womb?

Still, there is no doubt that this was both a politically bad move and an immoral act. It will hurt the prolife movement and bring the stain of mortal sin on the soul of the gunman by putting him into the same category of this abortionist.

 

[OriginalJS]

This murder is just another incident in which someone decides to take the law into his own hands and strike out. Timothy McVeigh bombed that Federal office building and judges around the country are being threatened with more and more violence. I have seen some new courthouses that have landscaping and decor obviously intended to deflect vehicles. A couple of years ago a state court judge in Minnesota had his house set on fire by a dissatisfied party to a divorce. A few years ago there was another murderer of an abortion provider. That murderer lived in the woods in the South for a long time before he was captured. Law enforcement officers speculated at the time that he was likely getting help from locals.

I don’t think this will hurt the prolife cause; most people realize that there are violent nuts in the world.

 

[Veridical16]

That is not a problem, that is the fact. Karma happens to us all, I’d be scared if it didn’t. Karma is like death, its equal, it doesn’t have its favorites, it happens.

And just to let you know, I usually don’t, I usually try to stay away from doing wrong, so I don’t have to worry about anything I do causing me harm.

The flaw with Karma as a concept is that its incomplete.

It overlooks God’s mercy, and redemption. It also isn’t very reliable when one looks to depend on.

Your last statement is telling.
Doing bad shouldn’t be deterred because we’re afraid what might happen to our well-being. It should be a concern because we should worry about the well-being of others as well.

 

[matt1985]

I was furious to hear about the death of Tiller. I’ve posted about him numerous times and was stunned at the news.

We live in a sad world where people think that murder is the solution to our problems, weather it is a medical doctor who provides barbaric late term abortions, or a political zellot who kills in the name of protecting life. We need to build a culture that respects life so we can see less of these tragic events.

 

[Irish_Kathy]

This murder is just another incident in which someone decides to take the law into his own hands and strike out. Timothy McVeigh bombed that Federal office building and judges around the country are being threatened with more and more violence. I have seen some new courthouses that have landscaping and decor obviously intended to deflect vehicles. A couple of years ago a state court judge in Minnesota had his house set on fire by a dissatisfied party to a divorce. A few years ago there was another murderer of an abortion provider. That murderer lived in the woods in the South for a long time before he was captured. Law enforcement officers speculated at the time that he was likely getting help from locals.

I don’t think this will hurt the prolife cause; most people realize that there are violent nuts in the world.

But it’s certainly not going to help us eather. There are always going to be people out there who are going to point right to this incident and point fingers at us simply because of one person. Yes, what this Doctor was doing was clearly wrong, but most Pro-Life supporters are peaceful. But pro-choice people are still going to use it as a way to block our efforts more often.

 

[wabrams]

This murder is just another incident in which someone decides to take the law into his own hands and strike out. Timothy McVeigh bombed that Federal office building

Problem with that comparison is this guy didn’t bomb Tiller’s church or place of business, he went striaght to the source.