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I believe the 2 witnesses are the OT and NT. The two witnesses symbolise Moses and Elijah.
Moses is the law of the testaments.
Elijah is the greatest prophet in the old testament.
Both of these men appear in the new testament prior to Jesus’sacrafice.
The 2 olive trees and the 2 lampstands are the old and new testament beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The 2 olive trees, or the 2 lampstand are the old and new testament, are the word of the Lord, not by physical might or power, but by the Holy Spirit of God.
The two olive trees
(Zec 4:3)
Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl ( held the oil) and the other at its left."
(Zec 4:4)
So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?”
(Zec 4:5)
Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
(Zec 4:6)
So he answered and said to me: "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel ( religious leadership): ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the LORD of hosts.
(Zec 4:14)
So he said, “These are the two anointed( = one who produces light) ones ( represent the heavenly instruments through which the Holy Spirit is imparted to human beings who work in God’s service- the anointed ones communicate light and power to God’s people), who stand beside the Lord( the ark of the covenant in the heavenly sanctuary hold the 10 commandments) of the whole earth.”
The olive trees provide oil to the lamps, the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit.
The lamp stands
The “lamp” stand is a symbol of “the light of God’s word”. (Psa 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.
Notice that, it also takes the olive oil of the Spirit to illuminate the lamp of God’s Word.
see - (Exo 35:14)
also the lampstand for the light, its utensils, its lamps, and the oil for the light;
7 candlesticks represent : represents perfection, and is the sign of God, divine worship, completions, obedience, and rest also 7 chruches.
Below, Paul is talking about spiritual love,
(1Co 13:1)
Though I speak with the tongues ( languages of the nations) of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass( life less sound) or a clanging cymbal (clanging sounds) .
(1Co 13:1)
ThoughG1437 I speakG2980 with theG3588 tonguesG1100 of menG444 andG2532 of angels,G32 andG1161 haveG2192 notG3361 charity ( highest form of love – believers relation to God),G26 I am becomeG1096 as soundingG2278 brass,G5475 orG2228 a tinklingG214 cymbal.G2950
The above means, every word of God will be established in the testaments speaking through men and of angels and then when God comes He speaks through himself.
(Rev 11:3)
And I will give power to my two witnesses ( old and new testaments), and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days ( This 1,260 days is between AD 538 and 1798, when the law the prophets and the Bible were obscured ) , clothed in sackcloth (symbolic for mourning- see 2 Sam 3:31)."
Therefore, the scriptures of the bible were in mourning during that time period when scripture was obscured the word of God.
(Rev 11:4)
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands ( or candlesticks - standing before the God of the earth.
(Rev 11:5)
And if anyone wants to harm them ( 2 witnesses), fire proceeds (Fire came down from heaven on the Egyptians as they pursued God’s children and it consumed the sons of Aaron ) from their mouth and devours their enemies ( and consumed the soldiers when they confronted Elijah) ( those resisting the witness of the Holy Spirit will die in the lake of fire and). And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
(Rev 11:6)
These have power to shut heaven , so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy (Elijah predicted there would be no rain in Israel – see Luke 4:25); and they have power over waters to turn them to blood (Moses prayed and the water turned to blood), and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire ( plagues in the past and at the end of times).
Why isn;t the offspring of the woman Jesus? Rev 12:5 says She (THE WOMAN) brought forth a male child (JESUS), one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and his throne.
and why is it not the disciples? did they not keep GOD’s commandments? Were they not worthy? In your opinion, who was it then that kept God’s commandments? In that case, did the disciples not have the “testimony of Jesus”? Who better than them who actually talked/learned with Him?
In order to answer your question better… who does the women symbolize in Rev. 12:13 and in 12:17 ?
I find it curious how you say “The remnant of the church are those that keep the ten commandments that were handed down to Moses and they that have the “testimony of Jesus”= spirit of prophecy.”
When scripture doesn’t say moses, it says the commandments of God. It is as if you are reassuring me that the commandments being talked about here are the exact 10 that God gave to Moses. I feel like you are specifically thinking about the Sabbath here.
You are correct in your assumption of the 10 commandments and the Sabbath… your getting to know my thoughts
Question: Do you believe we are still under Moses Law? I don’t. Let me knw what you thnk.
No , we are not under Moses’ law, but the 10 Commandments of God that were presented to Moses. These 10 commandments are not legalistic commandments as most Jews understood, but the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts.
PS - I do like the way you use scripture for authority.
written with love
Moses is the law of the testaments.
Elijah is the greatest prophet in the old testament.
Both of these men appear in the new testament prior to Jesus’sacrafice.
The 2 olive trees and the 2 lampstands are the old and new testament beyond a shadow of a doubt.
The 2 olive trees, or the 2 lampstand are the old and new testament, are the word of the Lord, not by physical might or power, but by the Holy Spirit of God.
The two olive trees
(Zec 4:3)
Two olive trees are by it, one at the right of the bowl ( held the oil) and the other at its left."
(Zec 4:4)
So I answered and spoke to the angel who talked with me, saying, “What are these, my lord?”
(Zec 4:5)
Then the angel who talked with me answered and said to me, “Do you not know what these are?” And I said, “No, my lord.”
(Zec 4:6)
So he answered and said to me: "This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel ( religious leadership): ‘Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,’ Says the LORD of hosts.
(Zec 4:14)
So he said, “These are the two anointed( = one who produces light) ones ( represent the heavenly instruments through which the Holy Spirit is imparted to human beings who work in God’s service- the anointed ones communicate light and power to God’s people), who stand beside the Lord( the ark of the covenant in the heavenly sanctuary hold the 10 commandments) of the whole earth.”
The olive trees provide oil to the lamps, the oil is symbolic of the Holy Spirit.
The lamp stands
The “lamp” stand is a symbol of “the light of God’s word”. (Psa 119:105) Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path.
Notice that, it also takes the olive oil of the Spirit to illuminate the lamp of God’s Word.
see - (Exo 35:14)
also the lampstand for the light, its utensils, its lamps, and the oil for the light;
7 candlesticks represent : represents perfection, and is the sign of God, divine worship, completions, obedience, and rest also 7 chruches.
Below, Paul is talking about spiritual love,
(1Co 13:1)
Though I speak with the tongues ( languages of the nations) of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass( life less sound) or a clanging cymbal (clanging sounds) .
(1Co 13:1)
ThoughG1437 I speakG2980 with theG3588 tonguesG1100 of menG444 andG2532 of angels,G32 andG1161 haveG2192 notG3361 charity ( highest form of love – believers relation to God),G26 I am becomeG1096 as soundingG2278 brass,G5475 orG2228 a tinklingG214 cymbal.G2950
The above means, every word of God will be established in the testaments speaking through men and of angels and then when God comes He speaks through himself.
(Rev 11:3)
And I will give power to my two witnesses ( old and new testaments), and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days ( This 1,260 days is between AD 538 and 1798, when the law the prophets and the Bible were obscured ) , clothed in sackcloth (symbolic for mourning- see 2 Sam 3:31)."
Therefore, the scriptures of the bible were in mourning during that time period when scripture was obscured the word of God.
(Rev 11:4)
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands ( or candlesticks - standing before the God of the earth.
(Rev 11:5)
And if anyone wants to harm them ( 2 witnesses), fire proceeds (Fire came down from heaven on the Egyptians as they pursued God’s children and it consumed the sons of Aaron ) from their mouth and devours their enemies ( and consumed the soldiers when they confronted Elijah) ( those resisting the witness of the Holy Spirit will die in the lake of fire and). And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner.
(Rev 11:6)
These have power to shut heaven , so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy (Elijah predicted there would be no rain in Israel – see Luke 4:25); and they have power over waters to turn them to blood (Moses prayed and the water turned to blood), and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire ( plagues in the past and at the end of times).
Why isn;t the offspring of the woman Jesus? Rev 12:5 says She (THE WOMAN) brought forth a male child (JESUS), one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and his throne.
and why is it not the disciples? did they not keep GOD’s commandments? Were they not worthy? In your opinion, who was it then that kept God’s commandments? In that case, did the disciples not have the “testimony of Jesus”? Who better than them who actually talked/learned with Him?
In order to answer your question better… who does the women symbolize in Rev. 12:13 and in 12:17 ?
I find it curious how you say “The remnant of the church are those that keep the ten commandments that were handed down to Moses and they that have the “testimony of Jesus”= spirit of prophecy.”
When scripture doesn’t say moses, it says the commandments of God. It is as if you are reassuring me that the commandments being talked about here are the exact 10 that God gave to Moses. I feel like you are specifically thinking about the Sabbath here.
You are correct in your assumption of the 10 commandments and the Sabbath… your getting to know my thoughts
Question: Do you believe we are still under Moses Law? I don’t. Let me knw what you thnk.
No , we are not under Moses’ law, but the 10 Commandments of God that were presented to Moses. These 10 commandments are not legalistic commandments as most Jews understood, but the 10 commandments that are written in our hearts.
PS - I do like the way you use scripture for authority.
written with love
