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Frankie65
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For what, though?
That’s what worries me.
What needs to be done is convert the indigenous and all others to the true faith. Before it is too late.
Is he doing that?
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That’s what worries me.
What needs to be done is convert the indigenous and all others to the true faith. Before it is too late.
Is he doing that?
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MagdalenaRita
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The time has finally come?
Are you saying the popes of the past and cardinals had something planned and now is the time to implement it,?, whatever “it” is.
And why does “it” need to be done ASAP?
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gracepoole
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Please explain the image of a woman breastfeeding a pig that’s currently hanging at the Vatican.
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Odilon
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This is disturbing. Even the panelists on EWTN (The World Over) were aghast over this intrusion of pagan worship - at the Vatican no less! It seems some of the leftist Franciscans were behind this leftist gobbledegook. We need more Jesus, more solid Catholic teaching, and less kowtowing to disparate groups of people. They need to come to our way of thinking, not us to theirs.
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Where faith and morals are concerned, yes.
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CapitalistCatholic
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I apologize for apparently spreading “fake news”. I will not apologize for calling out the Vatican for allowing such a thing in the Vatican gardens. Every time someone asks me to trust the Pope, it’s like they’re trying to keep us sedated. Not attentive. I think it’s healthy to criticize the Pope! How else will they know how we ACTUALLY feel!
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Isearch
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The Roman Martyrs died because they wouldn’t drop an incense to the statues of the official gods of Rome. How are the pagan rituals in the Vatican in anyway acceptable?
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adgloriam
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Yes, I will explain it. Let me start by saying: several fake profiles had been registered just to destabilize this thread, put together with the alarm-mongering news outlets. So, I hope, now that some peace has return, I may continue to slowly address (with the indispensable needed pause) the many complex issues that have been brought up.
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adgloriam
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Now let me see, are you trying to say that my use of the pronoun “it” is not to your satisfaction?adgloriam:
The time has finally come?
Are you saying the popes of the past and cardinals had something planned and now is the time to implement it,?, whatever “it” is.
And why does “it” need to be done ASAP?
Yes, I will define whatever needs definition. However, I should ask YOU what needs to be done and addressed regarding the Amazon? What has been done, and what has not been done, what is urgent?
Don’t try to ridicule me. I’ve written a river of ink, some of it quite good rebating a good many fake-news-scaremongers. (Dare I say: a contribution thus far more valid, than so many “professionals” pseudo-pronouncing themselves?)
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MagdalenaRita
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I don’t mind your use of the pronoun it. I don’t see where you used it and I did not include that word in my copy of your quote.
The word “it” is my pronoun in asking you what they are implementing and how has it been planned all the way back to past popes and why does it need to be implemented ASAP.
So, if you go back and read some of my posts on this subject, my suggestion is to pray and wait and see what the outcome is. I do believe that just like all humans the peoples of the Amazon’s souls is most important.
Plus asking me what should be done and what is most urgent, would be the same as me asking you what needs to be done and what is the most urgent and the answer to that is far above either of our pay grades because neither one of us are on that Synod or in the heirarchy of the Church or know what is being said at the Synod.
I’m not ridiculing you. I just didn’t understand your post nor do I have any idea at all who you are as we are all anonymous here, so I would have no idea how much you have ever written.
God bless.
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Matthew25
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Agreed. If you want a good story on introduction of culture into Catholic practice, please read the story of Fr. Bede Griffiths. He was a Catholic priest living in India. His combination of cultural icons and practices with the Catholic faith brought many to know Christ who wouldn’t have otherwise.
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GiftofMercy
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God praise the Amazon Synod, May the Holy Spirit guide its progress.
Prayers for Holy Father Pope Francis
Prayers for Holy Father Pope Francis
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Maximus1
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The Churches history was to incorporate already existing holidays and rituals of non Christians and retool them with a Catholic message.
Christmas is the most obvious. First century Jews did not keep track of birthdays or celebrate them. They considered it a pagan practice.
The date is selected for symbolic reasons but coincided with a pre-existing pagan holiday.( Shortest day of the year… World plunges into darkness and Jesus birth is return of the light). The Christmas tree another pagan symbol. See them all over Western alters as the pagans were Western pagans.
Christmas is the most obvious. First century Jews did not keep track of birthdays or celebrate them. They considered it a pagan practice.
The date is selected for symbolic reasons but coincided with a pre-existing pagan holiday.( Shortest day of the year… World plunges into darkness and Jesus birth is return of the light). The Christmas tree another pagan symbol. See them all over Western alters as the pagans were Western pagans.
Emeraldlady
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Exactly. I wonder if perhaps there is still a lot the colonist supremacist attitude still distorting the issue of evangelising tribal peoples, that closes them to perfectly adaptable customs that suit a fully Christian faith.
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billsherman
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Really? You don’t think one of the most significant mass extinction events in global history is worthy of talking about? Fortunately the Church disagrees with you.
For the third or fourth time on this thread (from wikipedia): Ecotheology is a form of constructive theology that focuses on the interrelationships of religion and nature, particularly in the light of environmental concerns. Ecotheology generally starts from the premise that a relationship exists between human religious/spiritual worldviews and the degradation of nature. It explores the interaction between ecological values, such as sustainability, and the human domination of nature. The movement has produced numerous religious-environmental projects around the world.
If you want to debate the merits of ecotheology, at least debate its merits and not what you incorrectly assume it to be.
The study of ecosystems is biology, and the Church is happy to promote the study of biology as well.
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MagdalenaRita
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That’s what it is alright and a good portion of its theories is in conflict with Catholic teaching.
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billsherman
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Well, ecotheology isn’t an exclusively Catholic branch of theology. In fact, one of my favorite theologians, Abraham Heschel, was a very early inspiration for ecotheologians (I didn’t know this before this thread, so I thank the people who inspired me to look it up!) it turns out. He was Jewish.
There are, however, many Catholic ecotheologians, and their studies are in line with Catholic thought. I would like to know which Catholic ecotheologians you have a problem with, and what their writings are about.
We can debate their merits, but we need to know what we are actually debating.
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Maximus1
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You made me think of Will Ferrell: Blind Hair blue eyed Jesus wearing Crocs (?) drinking a Diet Slice.
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adgloriam
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I don’t think we should attribute any value to the photo because it obviously had shock value. What happened has a social analyses foremost, which requires knowing -to not speculate- who that group was (and into what larger group they are inserted, their political stance within the church, within society, and so forth.)Matthew25:
This also happened in the Early Church.
As to indigenous feeding infant animals, if that animal is to grow up and feed , guard or clothe the community, it needs to survive infancy and be fed. There are no Agricultural stores in the Amazon like tractor supply. You cant just go get infant cow or goat milk replacer.
BUT, building on what you are saying (which is correct!), Nobel prize laureate José Saramago recounted, in his latter years, that his parents and grandparents took the piglets to sleep with them into their beds during the winter months, because those piglets were indispensable to their survival and livelihood.
The woman in the picture is obviously unrelated to the use of her image that was made by that group in that church. She might not have a second clue about what she was doing, and the photographer was probably unethical in taking her picture, also unethical is the picture being used for whatever misguided ends a small, unrepresentative group, aimed for. Simple as that.
So people pretending to be “reading into the photo” as unholy, desecrating -on a human/anthropological level- have, at least, nothing left but considering it inadequate to a consecrated space. And even then, we are left without any in-depth anthropological context that would be indispensable to form a judgement.
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