Amazon Synod idols cast in River Tiber today

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Emeraldlady said:
Take my word for it, I was not addressing you personally. I was addressing the thinking/mentality/attitude that has been called out down the ages for it’s actions against tribal cultures.
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So you read about tribal cultures and now think its ok to accuse strangers of racism when they resist pagan symbols in Catholic churches? You are way out of line.
 
Yes, I did. Then you made excuses I felt I had to respond to. As a person who suffers from racism I detest its abuse by people for any old reason in any old argument. Things like this are why some people believe racism is dead. I wish White liberals would just cool it sometimes. You’re not helping us, you’re using us.
 
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I was asking for a clarification.

Notice the question mark at the end of my sentence.

I steal a man’s computer to save his soul from pornography.

Is this right or wrong?

Secular judges will say it’s wrong no matter my excuse.

You come along and say that these are secular judges who support baby killing.

So what do you mean by that?
 
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RogueSemicolon said:
There are valid arguments to be made that the statue in question is not a pagan idol. Pedro Gabriel, a Catholic layman from Portugal, published an article on October 10th
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I actually published the same conclusions/analyses here on CAF just shortly before he did. (With the due “denouncing” of some US/Canadian professional media outlets that were twisting facts to create alarm and monger polemic.)
 
Sarcelle said:
You come along and say that these are secular judges who support baby killing.

So what do you mean by that?
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I meant what I said: you were using secular judges as an authority on a moral discussion between catholics. I was telling you they are not an authority: this was not a legal debate.
 
What these people did was wrong not only on the secular level but on the spiritual level.

Taking what is not yours is theft. The end does not justify the means even in the Church.
 
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Rubee said:
I meant what I said: you were using secular judges as an authority on a moral discussion between catholics. I was telling you they are not an authority: this was not a legal debate.
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Exactly. What is legal and what is moral aren’t same thing. Its legal for me to not hold a door for an old lady with a cane, is it moral? I don’t understand how this distinction is so tough.
 
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Sarcelle:
You come along and say that these are secular judges who support baby killing.

So what do you mean by that?
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I meant what I said: you were using secular judges as an authority on a moral discussion between catholics. I was telling you they are not an authority: this was not a legal debate.
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Ohh but it is a moral/legal debate, Saint Paul says we should be humble and subject to secular authorities.
 
How many lies and half truths. I’m disgusted. Anyone who saw images or video of the rite can see the truth
 
Sarcelle said:
What these people did was wrong not only on the secular level but n the spiritual level.

Taking what is not yours is theft. The end does not justify the means even in the Church.
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I disagree. And “ends don’t justify means” only applies after you’ve proved the means are wrong. Thats the debate here: If taking is always theft. So you beg the question and no, secular judges are irrelevant. They said you could own people not too long ago and these days call baby-murder a medical procedure. I’d no more refer to them than I’d refer to a Muslim Imam’s opinion on the question.
 
I didn’t make any accusation against them. I simply pointed out that the bishops and priests don’t always act how they should, as has been shown by the behavior of many bishops and many priests over the last 75 years. Why weren’t the bishops upset about a pagan idol being set up in a Catholic Church? Well why weren’t they upset about abusive priests? I don’t know why they weren’t, but I know that they should have been upset in both cases.
 
As a Lutheran, I have to admit that I was a bit gleeful when I saw what seems to me to be idols tossed into the Tiber per St. Boniface’s good example and 1 Macabees 2:15. From a distance the Amazon Synod seems to be a hot mess of mixed messages.

Upon reflection, I recognize that this should have been handled more prudently.
 
Taking what’s not yours and then filming yourself throwing it into the river. Why?

Is this the only recourse available?

You don’t have to tolerate idols in Church but is this the only way?
 
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adgloriam said:
Ohh but it is a moral/legal debate, Saint Paul says we should be humble and subject to secular authorities.
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. . . Do you think German Catholics who hid Jews in their basements during the Nazi regime were being bad Catholics? What about when the church TOLD LIES, in the form of fake baptism certificates to save the lives of Jews being smuggled out of europe? Did the ends justify the means then?
 
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Why you focus on the axt of disposing of idols, and not on the real issue of them being worshipped in Vatican?
 
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