Another man dies in police custody after disturbing video

[Nepperhan]

The first, and bigger point was that Kap has not succeeded in actually fixing anything with our race relations. Nothing. At all.

Instead he has further divided us Americans.

And he is being paid $5 MIllion a year to do it.

1. He was protesting concerning what was happening and raising consciousness bout it.
2. I don’t think that he further divided Americans. He made some people voice their convictions. Plus, he showed a problem. Read “Letter From a Birmingham Jail” on dividing by protesting.
3. Nike did not pay him to make a protest. His endorsement money came afterward and he surely lost millions by making his protest.

 

[Regular_Atheist]

As for the shooting of Philando Castille, a Hispanic officer is the one who apparently did the shooting.

So what? I know there have been cases of black police officers killing black people. This is a structural issue, not just a case of however many racist white officers shooting black men.

 

[Balto1]

Do you really want to disarm the police?

Yes.

And I am the guy who detests Kaepernick because he disrespects the flag that represents the unity that we should all have on this issue.

Maybe the symbol of the flag can start to be rehabilitated when cops stop using a modified black/white/blue version of it to support police violence.

Take a lesson from MLK and maybe your protest will ACTUALLY MAKE A BENEFICIAL CHANGE TO SOCIETY.

It’s not only the persecuted who could take a lesson from MLK. If people condemning these riots aren’t equally condemning the police violence and demanding racial justice through a labor-controlled economy and economic reparations for black people then they’re equally culpable for any property damage or violence that results from these protests:

“Certain conditions continue to exist in our society, which must be condemned as vigorously as we condemn riots. But in the final analysis, a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation’s summers of riots are caused by our nation’s winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again. Social justice and progress are the absolute guarantors of riot prevention.” - Martin Luther King, Jr., from The Other America

Only the governmental institutions and its people can do that by working tirelessly through legal, political, non-violent channels to change the structural, systemic racism that perpetuates these injustices.

And the only way to motivate a structurally racist system to address its own racism is to threaten it, and in this country the only way to threaten government is to threaten capital. People burning your stuff down is a powerful motivator.

I’m basing this assessment on loads of video I’ve watched from our local media, a quote from the head of our National Guard (who noted that the legitimate protesters weren’t the ones out at 3am)

I love to let the military determine what a “legitimate protester” is. I guess it’s true when people claim imperialism is really just practicing oppression outside your borders and then perfecting it at home.

Good news! The police office, Derek Chauvin, has been arrested for the murder of George Floyd.

Rioting gets results, it’s an incredibly efficient and effective method of generating social change.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

It’s relevant as can be. All of these statistics are relevant, populations of prisons, who commits the most crimes and so on. Saying it’s irrelevant is just a deflection. There should be just as much outrage over one murder as another.

It is odd that you should call my attempt to get back to the thread topic a “deflection”, since yours was the deflection when you deflected from the main topic to talk about other ways that black men die.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Tell me what real social change has taken place to protect Black men and women from police brutality when these incidents occur time and time again.

No, the ONLY way to effect significant social change is through a revision of the social institutions: the police, the courts, the prisons, the local government, by political means. Violence may get immediate charges (not necessarily convictions) pressed but it does nothing to solve the larger social and political issues of racism.

 

[meltzerboy2]

I mentioned the fact that I saw several protesters, not all, wearing masks. But you must realize that the American public, and particularly the media, are unable to engage in more than one lead story at a time.

 

[Boatswain2PA]

It’s not only the persecuted who could take a lesson from MLK: If people condemning these riots aren’t equally condemning the police violence and demanding racial justice through a labor-controlled economy and economic reparations for black people then they’re equally culpable for any property damage or violence that results from these protests.

I condemn police violence/brutality. I have said over and over our police are out of control in this country.

But the rest of your paragraph is just a leftist wish-list.

Instead of “labor-controlled economy” that never works, how about we push for moderated capitalism to renew the vibrant black communities/businesses that existed up until LBJ’s great society ruined them.

 

[Balto1]

But the rest of your paragraph is just a leftist wish-list.

Well yes, MLK’s wishes are leftist because he was a leftist.

 

[sallybutler]

since wearing masks has been made into some kind of Trump/anti-Trump thing, maybe the ones without masks are Trump supporters.

Just a thought

 

[meltzerboy2]

And economic reparations to Black people is a pipe dream. Our government cannot even distribute stimulus checks properly, let alone determine which Black people should receive what amount for something that happened to many of their ancestors over 150 years ago.

 

[Balto1]

Our government cannot even distribute stimulus checks properly, let alone determine which Black people should receive what amount for something that happened to many of their ancestors over 150 years ago.

It’s actually pretty easy, you just give money to black people until their wealth is the same as white peoples’.

 

[meltzerboy2]

Which white people: those who live in poverty and/or are on welfare? You do realize more Whites are on welfare, even adjusting for numbers, than Black people. We aren’t all wealthy; many of us are struggling financially just to survive. Further, there are quite a bunch of Black people who are (upper) middle-class.

 

[Balto1]

Which white people:

All of them, as a whole.

 

[meltzerboy2]

What do you mean “as a whole”: the median income? Even that is fraught with problems. Why should well-to-do Blacks receive compensation, which they do not need? Or do you propose a sliding scale based on a Black person’s income? And what about those Blacks who are NOT technically African Americans but are recent African immigrants or Caribbean immigrants? What should they receive? And mixed-race people? Please think this through.

 

[RobertAdams]

No by my logic we should stick to the problem that sparked the riots rather immediately jumping in with racists to pile on and condemn the reaction.

 

[Balto1]

MLK dreamed of a multiracial coalition of poor people defeating capitalism. I’m with him. Reparations to black people is the fastest way to jumpstart economic justice, but ultimately the economic justice MLK dreamed of would lift all out of poverty.

 

[meltzerboy2]

The problem which sparked the riots and the violent reaction go hand in hand. Violence in any form is counterproductive in the long term. It is like trying to separate the oppression of the Palestinian people by Israel with the violent reaction of the Palestinians lobbing missiles into crowded Israeli neighborhoods and killing innocent people. These acts of violence cannot be separated. Oppression must end through political negotiations. Otherwise, the cycle of violence by the government and its people just repeats itself indefinitely.

 

[Balto1]

https://www.facebook.com/GandhiMahalRestaurant/posts/3030378453725259

Hello everyone!
Thank you to everyone for checking in. Sadly Gandhi Mahal has caught fire and has been damaged. We won’t loose hope though, I am so greatful for our neighbors who did their best to stand guard and protect Gandhi Mahal, Youre efforts won’t go unrecognized. Don’t worry about us, we will rebuild and we will recover. This is Hafsa, Ruhel’s daughter writing, as I am sitting next to my dad watching the news, I hear him say on the phone; “ let my building burn, Justice needs to be served, put those officers in jail”. Gandhi Mahal May have felt the flames last night, but our firey drive to help protect and stand with our community will never die! Peace be with everyone.
#JusticeforGeorgeFloyd #BLM

 

[meltzerboy2]

I can agree with this save for the economic reparations, which is just not practical and lacks any kind of will among Congress. Bernie Sanders was the last best hope for achieving the vision of MLK, that is, until another visionary comes along who can transform their words into political and social action.

 

[Wampa]

The Onion with a clever angle…

Protestors Criticized For Looting Businesses Without Forming Private Equity Firm First

MINNEAPOLIS—Calling for a more measured way to express opposition to police brutality, critics slammed demonstrators Thursday for recklessly looting businesses without forming a private equity firm first. “Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and...

www.theonion.com

“Look, we all have the right to protest, but that doesn’t mean you can just rush in and destroy any business without gathering a group of clandestine investors to purchase it at a severely reduced price and slowly bleed it to death”