Anti-Catholicism

[brucefk]

Somebody like Obama might be a good wakeup call for those who call themselves Catholic. I just dont understand how you can attend the Catholic Church and be oblivious to thier teachings. Having returned to the Church recently, I’m walking on water right now. But I also see the reality before me. 52% of voting Catholics voted for Obama. It make me sick to my stomach, but I need to also speak the truth in Love, and see challenges like this as an opportuninty to make Christ shine in my own life

 

[NewAgeCatholic]

Somebody like Obama might be a good wakeup call for those who call themselves Catholic. I just dont understand how you can attend the Catholic Church and be oblivious to thier teachings. Having returned to the Church recently, I’m walking on water right now. But I also see the reality before me. 52% of voting Catholics voted for Obama. It make me sick to my stomach, but I need to also speak the truth in Love, and see challenges like this as an opportuninty to make Christ shine in my own life

It’s one of those things. I can recall GWB winning the office of President and losing the popular vote. I could not believe his Selection vs election and then to add insult to injury, he got re-elected. It’s been a horrible eight years past for all of us. God tested us. The Bush I and II recessions. The terrorism and horrors of 9/11, the expensive in cost and lives fiasco in Iraq The real estate bubble. We survived it and I stuck it out as I knew more of the same McCain and Palin had ZERO chance of winning 11/4/08 and God saw to it, enough was enough punishment for the American people. God speed Obama/Biden.

 

[Like]

It’s one of those things. I can recall GWB winning the office of President and losing the popular vote. I could not believe his Selection vs election and then to add insult to injury, he got re-elected. It’s been a horrible eight years past for all of us. God tested us. The Bush I and II recessions. The terrorism and horrors of 9/11, the expensive in cost and lives fiasco in Iraq The real estate bubble. We survived it and I stuck it out as I knew more of the same McCain and Palin had ZERO chance of winning 11/4/08 and God saw to it, enough was enough punishment for the American people. God speed Obama/Biden.

How does it feel to vote against the Church???

 

[Bluegoat]

How does it feel to vote against the Church???

Has the CC actually told people who to vote for, specifically?? Have they said that voting for Obama was against the Church? I would have thought that would be much more well known if it were the case.

As far as the individual presidential candidates went, on abortion their personal stance seemed quite similar, and both made it clear they had no plans to make any actual changes to the law.

And of course there are lots of other issues that are also “religious” for Catholics, including ones where political action might actually be taken. And why don’t people freak out about the Republican’s general support of the death penalty - surely it violates the same beliefs about the sacredness of life, which would suggest that those who support it also misunderstand the principle in other contexts. (Maybe that is part of the reason why despite claiming a pro-life stance, Republican administrations have not done much on abortion? )

 

[StLawrenceFan]

It’s one of those things. I can recall GWB winning the office of President and losing the popular vote. I could not believe his Selection vs election and then to add insult to injury, he got re-elected. It’s been a horrible eight years past for all of us. God tested us. The Bush I and II recessions. The terrorism and horrors of 9/11, the expensive in cost and lives fiasco in Iraq The real estate bubble. We survived it and I stuck it out as I knew more of the same McCain and Palin had ZERO chance of winning 11/4/08 and God saw to it, enough was enough punishment for the American people. God speed Obama/Biden.

**–You are not Catholic. **

'Jus sayin.

 

[ljubim]

It’s one of those things. I can recall GWB winning the office of President and losing the popular vote. I could not believe his Selection vs election and then to add insult to injury, he got re-elected. It’s been a horrible eight years past for all of us. God tested us. The Bush I and II recessions. The terrorism and horrors of 9/11, the expensive in cost and lives fiasco in Iraq The real estate bubble. We survived it and I stuck it out as I knew more of the same McCain and Palin had ZERO chance of winning 11/4/08 and God saw to it, enough was enough punishment for the American people. God speed Obama/Biden.

Catholics (and all good people) should not fall under the sway of any political party. Blind obedience is immoral. *For both parties!

 

[1beleevr]

newagecatholic: So what exactly distinguishes a new age catholic from a “regular” catholic? I never knew there was such a thing But you are right about Gee Dubya B, his second term was disastous! As an independent, I am able to look at all the candidates, and issues, and vote the way I feel is most beneficial to the greatest majority! I voted for the independent candidate; although I did vote for Dubya in 2000. When people start arguing politics, I think about Romans 13:1-7, and wonder if this applies to modern day situations. Does it mean that God allows people to be in power, even if the populace does not agree with the choice? I mean Dubya professed to be a Christian, but did and said many unChristlike things while in office! He was all about Dubya, his pride, showing all over(Luke 18:14)

 

[CatholicFireman]

Has the CC actually told people who to vote for, specifically?? Have they said that voting for Obama was against the Church? I would have thought that would be much more well known if it were the case.

As far as the individual presidential candidates went, on abortion their personal stance seemed quite similar, and both made it clear they had no plans to make any actual changes to the law.

And of course there are lots of other issues that are also “religious” for Catholics, including ones where political action might actually be taken. And why don’t people freak out about the Republican’s general support of the death penalty - surely it violates the same beliefs about the sacredness of life, which would suggest that those who support it also misunderstand the principle in other contexts. (Maybe that is part of the reason why despite claiming a pro-life stance, Republican administrations have not done much on abortion? )

Hi

Here is our (Catholic’s) guidelines for voting:

catholicity.com/vote/guide.html

I hope it enlightens you to our thinking/motives. Pax†

 

[Kristine1957]

My opinion, there are many people that don’t want to do as God asks them to do. It’s to hard for them, or it is more fun to go to another church, many just make excuses and don’t search. You just accept what you are being taught…

But if they really “knew” and would " allow" the Holy Spirit to guide them, they would never ever leave God’s church. They would flock to it! They would know the other churches are true in part but they don’t have the “fullness” of the gospel like they think they do.

I believe God’s Holy Bible has been distorted and rewritten in some cases and people accept that. For me, thats wrong. You don’t change God’s plan!

I’m a convert and I searched for a long time, it took effort on my part but I tell you as God as my witness the Catholic church is Christ’s church and I pray that especially in these times people will open thier ears and eyes and let the Holy Spirit guide them back to what God intended here on this earth.

 

[CatholicFireman]

Amen sister!

Along that line, I was shocked to look up the writings of the Early Church Fathers and find that they have “the Protestant version”. Hold on there! Did they take out certain parts like they did in the original bible? How can anybody get the fullness of the teachings when they do that? I believe that’s how a lot of good Christians get mislead. Pax†

 

[Lost_Again]

I guess I’m going to take a little bit of a different tack here…

I left the RCC about ten years ago after 40+ years as a practicing Catholic. I have been attending a Baptist church for the last 6 and was baptized there this past June. (my Catholic baptism wasn’t recognized. Don’t get me started on that!)

As a former Catholic I may not see eye to eye with the church but it always grinds me to see the way that my current church (and most Baptists I’ve met in general) disrespect not only other Christian faiths, but ESPECIALLY Catholics!

I always seem to take particular umbrage with fellow church members who want to tell me how things are in the Catholic church when they have no idea of its dogma, catechism, or practices. Its always “well you Catholics this or that” when they haven’t done their homework. Some of it is just plain laughable. I am just glad that I have this site and John Martinoni to fall back on when my memory fails or I don’t have a copy of the catechism handy.

I have found that the best way to shut my peers up is to do good research, and practice what 1 Peter 3:15 preaches. I try to reason with them with gentleness and respect.(something seldom shown to me in return).

The one question that none of my peers seems to have an answer for is that if the reformation was such a good idea, why are there 30,000 plus PROTESTANT denominations? If you take the time to research the establishment of these churches you will find that many of them come done to one thing. Someone didn’t agree with what someone else was teaching so they established their own church based on there own interpretation.

At this point in my life I am fed up with organized religion in general. I truly in my heart do not believe that this is what Christ wanted for his church. (Christians bashing Christians) While we’re so busy debating who’s right, Islam has quietly taken over more and more Christian strongholds. I think we all need to stop bickering amongst ourselves and get out and do something to stop the onslaught of Islam!!

Just my two cents…

 

[rinnie]

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I guess I’m going to take a little bit of a different tack here…

I left the RCC about ten years ago after 40+ years as a practicing Catholic. I have been attending a Baptist church for the last 6 and was baptized there this past June. (my Catholic baptism wasn’t recognized. Don’t get me started on that!)

As a former Catholic I may not see eye to eye with the church but it always grinds me to see the way that my current church (and most Baptists I’ve met in general) disrespect not only other Christian faiths,[SIGN] but ESPECIALLY Catholics! [/SIGN]

I always seem to take particular umbrage with fellow church members who want to tell me how things are in the Catholic church when they have no idea of its dogma, catechism, or practices. Its always “well you Catholics this or that” when they haven’t done their homework. Some of it is just plain laughable. I am just glad that I have this site and John Martinoni to fall back on when my memory fails or I don’t have a copy of the catechism handy.

I have found that the best way to shut my peers up is to do good research, and practice what 1 Peter 3:15 preaches. I try to reason with them with gentleness and respect.(something seldom shown to me in return).

The one question that none of my peers seems to have an answer for is that if the reformation was such a good idea, why are there 30,000 plus PROTESTANT denominations? If you take the time to research the establishment of these churches you will find that many of them come done to one thing. Someone didn’t agree with what someone else was teaching so they established their own church based on there own interpretation.

At this point in my life I am fed up with organized religion in general. I truly in my heart do not believe that this is what Christ wanted for his church. (Christians bashing Christians) While we’re so busy debating who’s right, Islam has quietly taken over more and more Christian strongholds. I think we all need to stop bickering amongst ourselves and get out and do something to stop the onslaught of Islam!!

Just my two cents…

You know you are right. We should never bash eachother. But I have been Catholic all of my life and never was taught to bash another faith. I was always told to pray for them, and pray that we can all come back together.

I have a honest question for you. If you would not mind answering. All your years as a Catholic do you ever remembering the Church bashing another faith?

I will pray for you lost again, that you can once again be found:thumbsup:

 

[Lost_Again]

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You know you are right. We should never bash each other. But I have been Catholic all of my life and never was taught to bash another faith. I was always told to pray for them, and pray that we can all come back together.

I have a honest question for you. If you would not mind answering. All your years as a Catholic do you ever remembering the Church bashing another faith?

I will pray for you lost again, that you can once again be found:thumbsup:

YO RINNIE!

Sorry, just had to do that… childhood flashbacks to Rin-Tin-Tin

Here is your honest answer…

NEVER!!! I’m from that generation that had a VERY STRICT Catholic upbringing… (Picture nuns with steel rulers and beatings with wooden pointers)

Even back then… we were just told that they (The Protestants) were just on a different path. We should pray for them, etc…

We weren’t taught to make fun of them

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught to be disrespectful or argumentative

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught that those “poor protestants” were all going to hell because they aren’t “saved”

(Like my Baptist wife was taught to pray for us poor Catholics)

I could go on and on…

Back in the 80’s we lived in the south… I made the mistake of mentioning I was a Catholic to some people we were becoming friends with. Their response? “Oh, you’re one of them fish eatin, statue prayin, mary worshipin, sons of satan”.
we can’t be friends with you people…

I’d used to think that my ending up in a Baptist church was God’s way of showing that he had a sense of humour… Now I believe he sent me there to witness to them but not in a conversion sense. I think I’m there to set the record straight…

Maybe he does have a sense of humor???

Keep Praying for me as prayers are always good… but I have no intention of returning to the RCC any time soon. All that is in God’s hands and not mine.

For now I wish all of my Christian Brothers and sisters would put a little more faith in Proverbs 8:1-12. We could all use a little wisdom!

PAX!

 

[rinnie]

YO RINNIE!

Sorry, just had to do that… childhood flashbacks to Rin-Tin-Tin

Here is your honest answer…

NEVER!!! I’m from that generation that had a VERY STRICT Catholic upbringing… (Picture nuns with steel rulers and beatings with wooden pointers)

Even back then… we were just told that they (The Protestants) were just on a different path. We should pray for them, etc…

We weren’t taught to make fun of them

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught to be disrespectful or argumentative

(Like my Baptist wife was)

We weren’t taught that those “poor protestants” were all going to hell because they aren’t “saved”

(Like my Baptist wife was taught to pray for us poor Catholics)

I could go on and on…

Back in the 80’s we lived in the south… I made the mistake of mentioning I was a Catholic to some people we were becoming friends with. Their response? “Oh, you’re one of them fish eatin, statue prayin, mary worshipin, sons of satan”.
we can’t be friends with you people…

I’d used to think that my ending up in a Baptist church was God’s way of showing that he had a sense of humour… Now I believe he sent me there to witness to them but not in a conversion sense. I think I’m there to set the record straight…

Maybe he does have a sense of humor???

Keep Praying for me as prayers are always good… but I have no intention of returning to the RCC any time soon. All that is in God’s hands and not mine.

For now I wish all of my Christian Brothers and sisters would put a little more faith in Proverbs 8:1-12. We could all use a little wisdom!

PAX!

Yeah I have been told plenty of times because I am Catholic I am going to hell. But I figure until I hear it from the Good Lord I still gotta chance.

Stick around though, on this site. And investigate your faith again. Ask questions, etc. You will be quite pleased by what you find. And you are right, just pray and let God work his magic!

 

[1beleevr]

Hi there, Lost Again: Sorry, you had to go through all that, but sometimes, it seems like we have more to fear from the other"sheep", than the wolf, himself! I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church, but do not embrace that denomination. I too, am tired of organized religion, in fact tired of religion period; too many rules, too much judging I have met and worked with people from many different religious backgrounds, and have had my faith challenged more often than I care to remember. SDA’s have bashed me for not observing the Sabbath(Shabat) on Saturday, Mormons have given me grief for drinking coffee and smoking(quit 36 years ago), and yes, I have had issue with catholics too! Mostly, it has been a difference of interpretation of scripture, communion, and infant baptism. But, through it all, my Saviour has been there for me, and the Holy Spirit has helped me to discern what it is right and wrong. Also, I never really could wrap my mind around confessing my sins to a total stranger! And, true enough, we as God’s people shouldn’t be bickering with ech other over petty things, but should work together for the sake of the Kingdom! May Our gracious Father, grant you guidance,peace and confidence in your current struggles!

 

[rinnie]

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Hi there, Lost Again: Sorry, you had to go through all that, but sometimes, it seems like we have more to fear from the other"sheep", than the wolf, himself! I was raised in a Southern Baptist Church, but do not embrace that denomination. I too, am tired of organized religion, in fact tired of religion period; [SIGN]too many rules, t[/SIGN]oo much judging I have met and worked with people from many different religious backgrounds, and have had my faith challenged more often than I care to remember. SDA’s have bashed me for not observing the Sabbath(Shabat) on Saturday, Mormons have given me grief for drinking coffee and smoking(quit 36 years ago), and yes, I have had issue with catholics too! Mostly, it has been a difference of interpretation of scripture, communion, and infant baptism. But, through it all, my Saviour has been there for me, and the Holy Spirit has helped me to discern what it is right and wrong. Also, I never really could wrap my mind around confessing my sins to a total stranger! And, true enough, we as God’s people shouldn’t be bickering with ech other over petty things, but should work together for the sake of the Kingdom! May Our gracious Father, grant you guidance,peace and confidence in your current struggles!

Hi l believer, If I may say a few things. We as Catholic’s have no right judge anyone. If a Catholic has ever judged you, you can tell them from me that is not our teaching. The teaching of the church is. In my words. By the time you get done confessing your sins, you are too tired to worry about others

I think we need to talk about those rules, and trust me I hate em too. I hate going to confession, but I LOVE how I feel after. Its like going to the dentist, you walk in with pain come out pain free. Thats confession. But remember God made those rules for our benefit. Its doesn’t seem like it at the time. but it is. Anything the church tells us to do or follow in the long run only helps our life in this world easier to live.

Its really never for the Church’s benefit. the same as its never for Gods. God put the Church and its rules here for us not himself. The Church has to teach the truth. It has to. God promised that. But think about it what else did it tell us. Remember that narrow road. Yep thats what he meant. ITs so hard. So hard. And you know what that narrow road is? Yep those RULES we both hate. But thats the Priest job to keep us on that road. Because that road leads us to heaven.

Remember the song as kids by acdc Highway to hell! Well the CC is the highway to heaven, And trust me I never saw as many people in church as I did to a acdc concert Just kidding I still love acdc. But my point was there is a road to heaven or hell, And the Church is our promise from God to lead us there. Hope this helps.

 

[CatholicFireman]

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Hi l believer, If I may say a few things. We as Catholic’s have no right judge anyone. If a Catholic has ever judged you, you can tell them from me that is not our teaching. The teaching of the church is. In my words. By the time you get done confessing your sins, you are too tired to worry about others

I think we need to talk about those rules, and trust me I hate em too. I hate going to confession, but I LOVE how I feel after. Its like going to the dentist, you walk in with pain come out pain free. Thats confession. But remember God made those rules for our benefit. Its doesn’t seem like it at the time. but it is. Anything the church tells us to do or follow in the long run only helps our life in this world easier to live.

Its really never for the Church’s benefit. the same as its never for Gods. God put the Church and its rules here for us not himself. The Church has to teach the truth. It has to. God promised that. But think about it what else did it tell us. Remember that narrow road. Yep thats what he meant. ITs so hard. So hard. And you know what that narrow road is? Yep those RULES we both hate. But thats the Priest job to keep us on that road. Because that road leads us to heaven.

Remember the song as kids by acdc Highway to hell! Well the CC is the highway to heaven, And trust me I never saw as many people in church as I did to a acdc concert Just kidding I still love acdc. But my point was there is a road to heaven or hell, And the Church is our promise from God to lead us there. Hope this helps.

Beautiful witness, rinnie. Thank you. I’ve heard people say “too many rules” before and I just don’t understand it. For me if you love your faith then “rules” don’t enter the picture. I’m willing to die for my family. It’s not a rule. It’s something natural for me. Same goes for my faith in His Church. It’s natural for me to follow the teachings of the Church. Hopes this give an insight to one Catholic’s view. Pax†

 

[rinnie]

Beautiful witness, rinnie. Thank you. I’ve heard people say “too many rules” before and I just don’t understand it. For me if you love your faith then “rules” don’t enter the picture. I’m willing to die for my family. It’s not a rule. It’s something natural for me. Same goes for my faith in His Church. It’s natural for me to follow the teachings of the Church. Hopes this give an insight to one Catholic’s view. Pax†

Back at you CF. You are a great witness to our faith. But honestly isn’t it hard though. Why lie. ITs so much more fun to sin at times. It really is. But if you listen really listen and want the truth listen to older people. Especially people like our parents. When did they really hurt us by saying no. I mean yes there may have been times they were wrong too, but not as a rule. And do you know how they learned by sinning and suffering for that sin, and they just want to help us.

This happend about 4 years ago, ITs kinda cute. My dad was always the good kid, etc. So he made himself out to be. Then later in life he told me why he was so strict at times.

So anyway back to the story my son came on the bike. A little too much speed for him in my opinion but he rode it over to my dads. It was my husbands at the time. Now when he was leaving he pulled out real nice and slow.

As he left real nice, even I was shocked my son loves noise and speed as all young kids. But my Dad said just listen, as soon as he rounds the corner he is gonna let loose on that bike. Sure enough the bike was loud anyway, and you could hear him winding those gears. I said Dad how did you know. For once he was my friend and not my Dad. He and said because I would have done the same thing at his age He said I was a kid once too!

But the point is he would never say that to my son. You have to expect them to respect the rules because if not they can get hurt, or hurt others and themself. Thats how I know God is too. He understands, but he also wants us to not get hurt. So he has to be strict and make rules for us to follow.

 

[CatholicFireman]

Back at you CF. You are a great witness to our faith. But honestly isn’t it hard though. Why lie. ITs so much more fun to sin at times. It really is. But if you listen really listen and want the truth listen to older people. Especially people like our parents. When did they really hurt us by saying no. I mean yes there may have been times they were wrong too, but not as a rule. And do you know how they learned by sinning and suffering for that sin, and they just want to help us.

This happend about 4 years ago, ITs kinda cute. My dad was always the good kid, etc. So he made himself out to be. Then later in life he told me why he was so strict at times.

So anyway back to the story my son came on the bike. A little too much speed for him in my opinion but he rode it over to my dads. It was my husbands at the time. Now when he was leaving he pulled out real nice and slow.

As he left real nice, even I was shocked my son loves noise and speed as all young kids. But my Dad said just listen, as soon as he rounds the corner he is gonna let loose on that bike. Sure enough the bike was loud anyway, and you could hear him winding those gears. I said Dad how did you know. For once he was my friend and not my Dad. He and said because I would have done the same thing at his age He said I was a kid once too!

But the point is he would never say that to my son. You have to expect them to respect the rules because if not they can get hurt, or hurt others and themself. Thats how I know God is too. He understands, but he also wants us to not get hurt. So he has to be strict and make rules for us to follow.

You’re right on. I’m a revert after my “exodus” from my parents. I think God lets us make mistakes but assigns us Guardian Angels and His Mother to keep us on the right track.

 

[CFair]

i say, ‘speak up’ and let the chips fall where they may. i am SO tired of being told what my religion espouses by non-catholics with a hateful, judgmental attitude, i could ‘spit tacks’ . . . course i’m headed for the reconciliation chamber regularly! prayer plus courage might just remove the ‘stupid people rule’ mentality of today, though, really, i doubt it! . . . then there ARE miracles and our heavenly communion of saints and Our Blessed Mother! and the Holy Spirit . . . i think we are in for some more rough times and need a gigantic infusion of moral support from anything truly catholic . . . tv, radio, internet, small groups, etc, where is our political action community? how do we support our own ‘think tanks’? who is waiting in the wings to support the bill donohue’s, mitch patwa’s, etc.? priorities need reconfiguring and living out!