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Any Anti Vaxxers on here who do not want to take the COVID vaccine?
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gam197
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They might be but the risk is so high especially in nursing homes of deaths, then they have to start somewhere. The healthy healthcare workers will have already gotten the shot so there ought to be some mixed results going forth. There are millions of healthcare workers.pnewton:
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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The rollout will be interesting and here’s why.
The media keeps saying about how the health care workers will be first to get the vaccine.
Yes, but does that mean first offered, or forced.
There is a contingent of HCP (myself included), who are willing to leave Health Care altogether rather than be subjected to a forced vaccination of a new product for a disease that’s less than a year old.
I don’t know how many of us there are.
Some people are big talkers, but cave under enough pressure.
I don’t know what will happen.
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gam197
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I would hope In America that no one would be forced to be vaccinated even a healthcare worker. That should be voluntary. There are millions of healthcare workers and hopefully teachers, supermarket workers and other at risk workers will take this shot.gam197:
The rollout will be interesting and here’s why.
The media keeps saying about how the health care workers will be first to get the vaccine.
Yes, but does that mean first offered , or forced .
There is a contingent of HCP (myself included), who are willing to leave Health Care altogether rather than be subjected to a forced vaccination of a new product for a disease that’s less than a year old.
I don’t know how many of us there are.
Some people are big talkers, but cave under enough pressure.
I don’t know what will happen.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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I am willing to wear a mask, which is standard procedure in care settings where flu vaccine is expected of staff.
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Rau
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Do you feel that’s a significant concession on your part?
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gam197
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I understand your concern if you do not want this vaccine. It should be totally voluntary. Again this is personal choice and you have a right to make that choice. Some healthcare workers have already had the virus .
I really hope they do not try in force people or shame people.
Thank you for being a healthcare worker.
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pnewton
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In the sense that we do not have slavery, I agree. However, I also respect the right of an employer to set the safety and sanitary standards they believe are necessary. That is the other side of no one being forced to do something against their will. An employer in the medical profession should not be forced to accommodate what they believe to be lack of safety. There is a balance to freedoms. One’s freedom cannot impede on the freedom of another.
Personally, I will probably get one in the second stage of the vaccination process.
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Annie
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if I have been vaccinated, how would I infect someone else?
When the vaccine is generally available, I will incidentally be protecting others, but they will be people who have chosen not to get the vaccine. That is their responsibility, not mine.
Do you see what I am saying? Once the vaccine is generally available, each person needs to take responsibility for protecting himself and those for whom he is responsible.
I am responsible for my loved one; if I lived alone, I might decide to have or not have the vaccine.
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gam197
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Maybe that is true with masks but when it comes to injections into the body, that has to be voluntary. Each person knows its own body.
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pnewton
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That is not a difference I would want to force upon hospitals and other medical organizations. That is too much government overreach for me. It is still voluntary, as no job is forced on anyone. Safety requirements for a job are usually up to the employer, based on OSHA standards.
The U.S. military has required vaccinations, by the way.
The U.S. military has required vaccinations, by the way.
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gam197
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That is different because they volunteer for the military and those injections are part of the job as often they are to prevent the soldier, or sailor from getting diseases elsewhere during potential combat missions. Even then I am sure there may be some who can’t take certain injections because of health issues.
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Rau
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Not really - Each person knows his own fears.
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Rau
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The identical logic applies for, say, a nurse. They are not in combat, but at high risk.pnewton:
That is different because they volunteer for the military and those injections are part of the job as often they are to prevent the soldier, or sailor from getting diseases elsewhere during potential combat missions. Even then I am sure there may be some who can’t take certain injections because of health issues.
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Rau
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Of vaccine injections, apparently.
po18guy
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Of course, developing your own unique antibodies is best, if…
- You survive the disease and
- Your immune system is stout enough to produce the antibodies.
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JMMJ
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None will be forced, but they may lose their jobs if they don’t take the vaccine. It is a choice.
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Alyosha1984
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I will see how it goes. I am very skeptical of the claims of >90% effectiveness and aware that there may be side effects that are unreported.
I am also in an age group and health strata on which COVID has only minimally worse effects than flu. For my kids, the flu is clearly a more dangerous disease (from the data). And we have a reasonable chance of never getting COVID, vaccine or no vaccine.
So my calculus is – should I take an untested vaccine with unknown side effects, that may or may not prevent a virus which is not that severe, and which I may never get?
I’ll wait and see what side effects show up, and what happens with COVID over the next few months. But it will have to prove to be as effective as advertised with minimal side effects before I will sign up.
I am also in an age group and health strata on which COVID has only minimally worse effects than flu. For my kids, the flu is clearly a more dangerous disease (from the data). And we have a reasonable chance of never getting COVID, vaccine or no vaccine.
So my calculus is – should I take an untested vaccine with unknown side effects, that may or may not prevent a virus which is not that severe, and which I may never get?
I’ll wait and see what side effects show up, and what happens with COVID over the next few months. But it will have to prove to be as effective as advertised with minimal side effects before I will sign up.
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Saskachub
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I know one catholic who 100% thinks the Covid vaccine will be the mark of the beast but that doesn’t seem to be a main concern among Catholics. Thoughts?
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