Any Anti Vaxxers on here who do not want to take the COVID vaccine?
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Usagi
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You could have just stopped after the first part – you’ve gotten the flu after getting the vaccine. You don’t know that you got the flu from the vaccine, especially if that is not physically possible.
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Elf01
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I expect those concerned enough about getting the virus to get themselves vaccinated. No need for me to protect them.
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BornInMarch
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I’m also on the autism spectrum, and I also have a low opinion of the anti-vaxxers.
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pnewton
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That is exactly the same situation.
Yes. That is not Catholic teaching. If you read the letters of Paul to the Thessalonians, you will see that some Christians have been saying it is the end for 2000 years. All so far have been proven wrong. Time and death is the ultimate judge of that particular theology.
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redcatholic
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I’m aware of the “impossibility” of it. I also know what has happened to me several times and my children. I’ve been made ill from the vaccine.
I also had H1N1 as did my entire family. That natural immunity after the infection was helpful for several flu seasons.
I’d rather take my chances with any flu than constantly get a flu vaccine.
But that isn’t really what this thread is about. I think it’s fortunate that most of us will get to see the vaccine’s safety and efficacy before we choose to take it. At least short term.
I also had H1N1 as did my entire family. That natural immunity after the infection was helpful for several flu seasons.
I’d rather take my chances with any flu than constantly get a flu vaccine.
But that isn’t really what this thread is about. I think it’s fortunate that most of us will get to see the vaccine’s safety and efficacy before we choose to take it. At least short term.
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Saskachub
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Revelation 13:16 isn’t Catholic teaching?
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pnewton
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Applying that verse to a vaccine is definitely not Catholic teaching. The Catholic view of Revelation is not some sort of esoteric blueprint that only those who are in the know can see. Like I said, so far everyone who has thought they understood this blueprint type of interpretation of Revelation has been proven wrong for the last two millennia.
Of all the books in the Bible, there is none that is less given to this type of proof-text than the book of Revelation.
Of all the books in the Bible, there is none that is less given to this type of proof-text than the book of Revelation.
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Saskachub
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I don’t think the vaccine itself is it, either, but there’s a chance that proof of it could be, when you see airlines starting to need proof for you to fly. Is buying and selling next? Especially if we go cashless and crypto becomes the thing, particularly world currency (read up in the World Economic Forum Great Reset) . When you look at the tech now out there with quantum dot tattoo and Luciferase it’s not out of the question that those things could provide proof of vax to participate in the economy. Yes everyone’s been wrong so far but there was never this tech in place and now there’s a world ‘crisis’ that could allow them to implement all the tech.
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Pattylt
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From what I’ve heard, the availability of the vaccine will be…
First, healthcare workers and the elderly in nursing homes
Next, elderly not in nursing homes and immune compromised that are able to get it (some can not)
Finally, everyone else. I haven’t heard of teachers or grocery workers being a higher priority but I do think that’s a good idea.
I’ve also heard the military will be involved in distribution. I don’t know if that just means delivery or also giving the injections. This vaccine must be kept at deep freeze temperatures so I imagine we will be required to go get our shots at a facility that has deep freezers. The military probably has portable freezers for locations that don’t?
The vaccine isn’t going to available in numbers to do everyone at once. There will be production delays as it rolls out so those wishing to wait, certainly will have the opportunity to wait. What’s not known is what timeframe they are looking at…weeks apart vs. months apart?
In our hospital, we were required to get the flu shots OR wear a mask during the entire duration of flu season. Even if someone was medically unable to get a flu shot, they had to wear the mask. If you work in a hospital, this is just a part of the job you have to deal with.
I sincerely doubt anyone will be mandated to take the vaccine but there might be restrictions on what they allowed to do. If the airline industry requires proof of vaccination before flying then citizens will have to make the decision to fly or not go…same with any employer mandates. Other than the military, I doubt any government mandates will be declared. But pressure and shaming? Yes, there might very well be some of that. Nothing more, though.
And people…this vaccine has gone through all the tests that normal vaccines have gone through. The difference is that they were done concurrently rather than consecutively…that’s how they shortened the time frame! Their test subjects were all age groups, all ethnicities and both sexes (maybe those “other” sexes, too!). I’ve not heard yet if there will be any groups for it not be recommended to. We may hear more as the time gets closer. I’ve also heard they’re aiming for Dec 10th (ish)!
Please, please, when it becomes available, give it great consideration. The more we vaccinate the sooner we can return to normalcy. I’m certainly not in favor of any forced vaccination and I hope enough people willingly vaccinate to help our economy recover!
First, healthcare workers and the elderly in nursing homes
Next, elderly not in nursing homes and immune compromised that are able to get it (some can not)
Finally, everyone else. I haven’t heard of teachers or grocery workers being a higher priority but I do think that’s a good idea.
I’ve also heard the military will be involved in distribution. I don’t know if that just means delivery or also giving the injections. This vaccine must be kept at deep freeze temperatures so I imagine we will be required to go get our shots at a facility that has deep freezers. The military probably has portable freezers for locations that don’t?
The vaccine isn’t going to available in numbers to do everyone at once. There will be production delays as it rolls out so those wishing to wait, certainly will have the opportunity to wait. What’s not known is what timeframe they are looking at…weeks apart vs. months apart?
In our hospital, we were required to get the flu shots OR wear a mask during the entire duration of flu season. Even if someone was medically unable to get a flu shot, they had to wear the mask. If you work in a hospital, this is just a part of the job you have to deal with.
I sincerely doubt anyone will be mandated to take the vaccine but there might be restrictions on what they allowed to do. If the airline industry requires proof of vaccination before flying then citizens will have to make the decision to fly or not go…same with any employer mandates. Other than the military, I doubt any government mandates will be declared. But pressure and shaming? Yes, there might very well be some of that. Nothing more, though.
And people…this vaccine has gone through all the tests that normal vaccines have gone through. The difference is that they were done concurrently rather than consecutively…that’s how they shortened the time frame! Their test subjects were all age groups, all ethnicities and both sexes (maybe those “other” sexes, too!). I’ve not heard yet if there will be any groups for it not be recommended to. We may hear more as the time gets closer. I’ve also heard they’re aiming for Dec 10th (ish)!
Please, please, when it becomes available, give it great consideration. The more we vaccinate the sooner we can return to normalcy. I’m certainly not in favor of any forced vaccination and I hope enough people willingly vaccinate to help our economy recover!
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Vanny
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I will probably take the vaccine if I can get one that doesn’t have fetal cells but I also feel that people should be able to refuse it
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Annie
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Surely once we have the vaccine available to the general public for a period of time long enough for them all to get it, we can then return to normal whether everyone chooses to get it or not?
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Pattylt
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It’s totally dependent on how many get vaccinated. I haven’t heard exact numbers but if approximately half of the adult population is vaccinated, we will be in great shape and most likely able to return to normal.
The next question is for specific industries that have been so hard hit. Travel will also depend on where one is traveling to as other counties may have stricter requirements. Large entertainment may be restricted as well, like football games or concerts.
The other question is what time frame are we looking at. We aren’t going to be able to declare the danger is gone just because vaccinating is taking place. We will have to see that it’s working by the decreasing numbers and there is a window between getting the initial shot, the booster a month later and time enough to develop the antibodies. My best guess is by next summer our participation in the vaccinations will be evident if this vaccine starts rolling out this month. So, hopefully, in about six months and seeing the infections decreasing by the end of this winter for the US.
There may really be light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not an incoming train! :hugs:
The next question is for specific industries that have been so hard hit. Travel will also depend on where one is traveling to as other counties may have stricter requirements. Large entertainment may be restricted as well, like football games or concerts.
The other question is what time frame are we looking at. We aren’t going to be able to declare the danger is gone just because vaccinating is taking place. We will have to see that it’s working by the decreasing numbers and there is a window between getting the initial shot, the booster a month later and time enough to develop the antibodies. My best guess is by next summer our participation in the vaccinations will be evident if this vaccine starts rolling out this month. So, hopefully, in about six months and seeing the infections decreasing by the end of this winter for the US.
There may really be light at the end of the tunnel and it’s not an incoming train! :hugs:
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pnewton
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There may be a phased return for those vaccinated. I think that is what the UK was planning. No doubt private businesses can do what they think is safest. Schools may offer a blended return to normal for the vaccinated.
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Joegrane
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“I sincerely doubt anyone will be mandated to take the vaccine but there might be restrictions on what they allowed to do. If the airline industry requires proof of vaccination before flying then citizens will have to make the decision to fly or not go…same with any employer mandates. Other than the military, I doubt any government mandates will be declared. But pressure and shaming? Yes, there might very well be some of that. Nothing more, though.”"
Hopefully honest people can see through the deception by vaccine salesmen and their trolls in our group.
Their solutions just happen to always be good for Big Pharma profit margins.
Obviously the vast majority of people who get exposed to SARS2 virus recover without solutions from Big Pharma. Their immune system takes care of the infection.
So why do we hear almost nothing about supporting our God given immune system?
There are a list of studies warning about low vitamin D and low zinc, etc and worse outcomes.
c19vitamind.com
Did you hear all over the news that treatment with a somewhat unusual form of vitamin D nearly eliminated the need for ICU admission? In contrast half of the untreated participants in the study ended up in the ICU.
I bet you did not hear about any positive vitamin D studies, but you hear ad nauseam about the latest press releases from Big Pharma.
Will the airlines, theatres, etc check that people are not deficient in vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C, etc?
I’m certainly not opposed to Pharma offerings. The lack of balance among the ways to fight SARS2 is suspicious. It points to profit as the real motivation, not concern for humanity.
NIH Owns Half of Moderna’s Vaccine
New Docs: NIH Owns Half of Moderna Vaccine • Children's Health Defense
NIH’s stake…may explain why Anthony Fauci moved Moderna’s vaccine to the front of the line…and to let Moderna skip animal trials despite the experimental technology.…Every prior coronavirus vaccine has proven problematic…
Two Moderna executives cashed in $25 million** when stock prices rose immediately following the announcement that its COVID-19 phase 1 trial showed promising results…Stock dropped within days, as critics pointed out the results were likely misrepresented and actually quite alarming…20% of Moderna’s phase 1 volunteers suffered severe systemic side effects Warp Speed COVID-19 Vaccine Makes Big Pharma Crooks Rich
Hopefully honest people can see through the deception by vaccine salesmen and their trolls in our group.
Their solutions just happen to always be good for Big Pharma profit margins.
Obviously the vast majority of people who get exposed to SARS2 virus recover without solutions from Big Pharma. Their immune system takes care of the infection.
So why do we hear almost nothing about supporting our God given immune system?
There are a list of studies warning about low vitamin D and low zinc, etc and worse outcomes.
Vitamin D for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 501 studies
Vitamin D for COVID-19: real-time analysis of all 501 studies
c19vitamind.com
Did you hear all over the news that treatment with a somewhat unusual form of vitamin D nearly eliminated the need for ICU admission? In contrast half of the untreated participants in the study ended up in the ICU.
I bet you did not hear about any positive vitamin D studies, but you hear ad nauseam about the latest press releases from Big Pharma.
Will the airlines, theatres, etc check that people are not deficient in vitamin D, zinc, vitamin C, etc?
I’m certainly not opposed to Pharma offerings. The lack of balance among the ways to fight SARS2 is suspicious. It points to profit as the real motivation, not concern for humanity.
NIH Owns Half of Moderna’s Vaccine
New Docs: NIH Owns Half of Moderna Vaccine • Children's Health Defense
NIH’s stake…may explain why Anthony Fauci moved Moderna’s vaccine to the front of the line…and to let Moderna skip animal trials despite the experimental technology.…Every prior coronavirus vaccine has proven problematic…
Two Moderna executives cashed in $25 million** when stock prices rose immediately following the announcement that its COVID-19 phase 1 trial showed promising results…Stock dropped within days, as critics pointed out the results were likely misrepresented and actually quite alarming…20% of Moderna’s phase 1 volunteers suffered severe systemic side effects Warp Speed COVID-19 Vaccine Makes Big Pharma Crooks Rich
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Annie
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That is where I am confused–what happens if too few (whatever that number may be) get vaccinated?
So, if I get vaccinated, I do not have to worry about getting it. I have reasons for not wanting to get it.
But my neighbor may feel a very low risk from the virus and not want to run the risk of using a new vaccine.
I just don’t understand why it is a problem if a lot of people don’t get it if they are choosing not to.
And I feel this is an important point if governments are considering steps to force people to get the vaccine, or even if businesses are.
LeafByNiggle
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There are those that cannot tolerate vaccines. The only protection they have is herd immunity.LeafByNiggle:
I expect those concerned enough about getting the virus to get themselves vaccinated. No need for me to protect them.
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Annie
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What do they do during flu season?
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