Any Catholic Martial Artists?

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Yes I am referring to the healing touch. I believe when we come to it with the right intention and with the humility to know it is Him and not us all things are possible. I have seen some amazing things with it. I believe this is comparable to that same “warm and fuzzy” you get when a priest or deacon that has true belief and peace gives you eucharist or blesses you compared to one that is “going through the motions.” Take care. Like I said the combination saved my dh’s life over the course of the last couple of years and there is not medical reason it should have. I am greatful to God.

God bless,
 
My daughters and I did Aikido for 12 years and remained faithful to our Catholic faith, but it wasn’t easy with the Sensei we had, who happened to be a world class martial artist and teacher.

She was heavily into ancient eastern pagan beliefs and embedded it into fire ceremonies for which she would interrupt class and demand participation. I sat silently and prayed to Jesus so as not to show insubordination, but I was silently insubordinate. My daughters just sat there politely. Eventually her behavior toward too many people, including my own daughters, was just over the top. My daughters left the dojo and I started coming less frequently and visiting other dojos. Then my back went out and I decided to move my skills to the tennis court. I find no such difficulties there.

My conclusion is that you can study a martial art if you have the right attitude and a teacher who honors your spirituality. As a Catholic, I would advocate an attitude of love and compassion for all training partners and imagined adversaries.
 
When I was a child, we decided to start going to a specific church that became our family. The reason? The priest was in karate with my brother and I. If that isn’t a great reason for karate, I don’t know what is! 😃
 
Joan of Arc,

Have you experienced healing yourself as a result of healing touch? If not, can you share any experiences that you’ve had with others? I’m also curious to know if anyone else on this forum has experienced this.
 
Joan of Arc,

Have you experienced healing yourself as a result of healing touch? If not, can you share any experiences that you’ve had with others? I’m also curious to know if anyone else on this forum has experienced this.
I haven’t personally by lay people but I believe that work that I have done in meditation has opened me more to the healing sacrament. A good example of this is my dh. He had surgery last year on his knee. He went through the healing sacrament before with not much meditation beforehand and it was good but it didn’t give that “warm and fuzzy.” He even remarked on it. Well during the week after the surgery there were many complications from the anesthesia. The doc that did the spinal block had not checked the site and he was leaking CSF which caused some serious headaches, hypokalemia, and respiratory problems associated with his genetic condition. He was finally readmitted to a hospital. I called for a priest to have the sacrament readministered. During that week he had also done much more meditation trying to focus past the pain. Once the eucharist was given he was actually able to sit up for the first time in a week pain free. He was released the next day. I am not saying these things work all by themselves but sometimes they make us more open to the power of God if we are more focused. God is always there, sometimes we aren’t.

God bless,
 
Joan of Arc,

That is an inspiring account particulary because it sounds genuinely spiritual. Can you describe the kind of meditation that he used?
 
It is a type of meditation used only in Ninjitsu. It gets its roots from Buddhism but it is used by pacticioners of the Ninja arts of many religions all over the world. I won’t get into the specifics because it is something that they is worked into very slowly.

God bless,
 
Joan of Arc,

Yes, I understand how this meditation would be developed very slowly. That was always my problem with meditation - I tend to be too impatient! I embraced Buddhist philosophies while I was in Martial Arts, but never went too far away from my Catholic upbringing.

For myself however I have found the rosary to be very quick at increasing that “warm and fuzzy” that you refer. I feel it as a pulsing warmth and a tingling sensation. I can also feel it if I meditate on an image or short phrase, but the Rosary for some reason brings it on stronger. And the Rosary often awakens an emotional response also. Not sure why - but that usually occurs more if I am praying for the healing of someone. I also feel this sensation increase at Mass during the Eucharist. I was actually taken by surprise the first time I felt it, but now I just expect it. That feeling, more than anything, convinced me of the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist.
 
I know your out there. I’m interested in hearing how you feel the Art has made you a better Catholic, or maybe you feel it doesn’t.

I feel that the Martial Arts is mostly about the human virtues. A firm and habitual disposition to do good.

I also feel that the MA is one of the few things left in this secular society that recognizes that we are a composite of Body and Soul, the Physical and Spiritual.
I’m not one personally but a friend and advisor has one of the higher belts in Tae Kwon Do—I’m sure he agrees with you.
 
I began Karate this September and recently got promoted to blue belt! 🙂
 
I think sometimes we are too quick to say that something is not good just because of where it came from. For instance much of the meditational practices we find in martial arts can be attributed to Buddhism. However, it can be said as well that many of the practices that we have as Catholics can be attributed to both our Pagan and Jewish roots. It is not the practices themselves or the roots that are bad it is the intention with which we undertake them. I feel if we undertake these meditational practices as a way to bring ourselves closer to Christ as well as investigate our own actions and feelings especially if we do these things in addition to praying the rosary, going to mass, and taking eucharist it is good. This is something that is very personal and intention can only be known by the person doing it, the Holy Spirit, the Father, and the Son. I do stay very close to my husband who is Catholic and my priest as well as my Church. It has added so much to my spirituality - more than I can describe.

God bless,
 
I have found in my years of training that “Ch’i” is a load of balony. What I’ve come to understand is not how to use any cosmic force, but how to use bio-physical mechanics. This is the secret to how martial artists do seemingly super-human feats. I can put out candles by punching at the flame. By swinging my waist around before extending my arm to punch, I put my body’s weight behind the punch. Multiply that by the velocity of the movement and you have a a powerful weapon. By focusing this on a precise point, you can do severe damage. In the case of the candle, the movement causes my fist to push a small amount of air. when the movement stops just before touching the flame, the air extinguishes it. Breaking boards and stuff is a matter of using the same formula against the weakest point of the target. No magic, no “using the force,” just simple science. That’s why we learn to respect others and conduct ourselves honorably. A martial artist learns to use every part of his/her body as a lethal weapon, so we can say that martial artists are always armed, and an armed society had better be a polite one.

I think someone who posted about Aikido explained it best when they wrote that their instructor doesn’t teach them to use ch’i, but to use the body’s center of gravity located just beneath the navel. That’s why us kung-fu guys use our waist so much. It’s where we get our power. I used to compete in modern wushu forms. I did my flying kicks so high, I could go over a persons head (In wushu, it’s important to jump, kick, and land on the same leg when doing any jumping kick). The trick was learning to lift my center of gravity for each technique.

Someone once argued with me about Tai Chi being “uncatholic.” Their reasoning was that it was a form of meditation. I don’t know who taught them, if anyone, but Tai Chi is about concentration, not meditation. You can’t meditate and practice movements meant for combat at the same time. You’ll be distracted, it will become habit, and when you have to defend yourself, you’ll get killed. In Tai Chi, we concentrate on keeping the body totally relaxed and being fluid with each movement, just as with any other form of kung fu, except Tai Chi forms tend to be slower.

Anyway, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents on this because there are people out there who are against the practice of martial arts by Catholics, particularly internal forms like Tai Chi, Aikido, Bagua Zhang, etc, because of the eastern religious practices sometimes involved. I’ve been fortunate that all my instructors throughout my life left all that stuff out.

It’s easy to filter all the eastern pagan mambo-jambo out if you just see the science of it. Anyone who’s watched “Fight Science” on the National Geographic channel would understand. If you are into MA, you should watch these programs. They’ll open your eyes. I believe they’re available on DVD.

If there are any people who insist martial arts are dangerous because they can’t be Christianized out there, try Filipino Arnis. There’s no meditation and no eastern religious influence involved. Most Filipino’s are Catholic. I trained in this style and enjoyed it very much. It’s very practical. There’s also Krav Maga. This one was developed by the Isreali military. It has no Jewish religious practices to it, but it does teach you how to take a gun away from a person without getting shot. Scary stuff!

In Christ,

Jose
 
What a great topic!

I have been doing Tang Soo Do for a little less than a year now. (I am a green belt.) I really like it because it promotes self-confidence (something I lack) and control.

Our class does very little mystical stuff. One of my teachers is convinced that you should be able to rewire your brain so that you enjoy pain, but he’s mostly kidding and it’s definitely something that we may disagree with him on. Our other teacher is Catholic–she goes to our parish with her children and husband. Occasionally someone will mention chi or something, but it’s never taught, only discussed or mentioned.

As far as bowing goes, I agree that it is to show respect. That’s how our teachers explained it to me, anyway. At the beginning and end of class, we bow to them and they bow to us.
 
My husband is fairly advanced in karate. He fights a very intense form, no pads, bare knuckles, full contact (including the head) and all that.
 
I started in Tang Soo Do when I was 12 yo. It’s a great style and I’ve found it to have been a great primer to my development in MA. Hwang Kee, the founder of the style, used a lot of northern Chinese MA fundamentals in creating the style. The name translates to “the way of the Chinese fist.” Most Korean MA is highly influenced by northern Chinese Kung fu, hence all the kicking.

Bowing is traditional in many MAs and is a gesture of respect. In Kung fu, we use the “fist in palm” salute instead of bowing. Many are familiar with this salute. It symbolizes restraint. It’s a way of wishing peace to each other and a reminder to us that we should always be peaceful and avoid conflict that could lead to a fight.

Good stuff there.

Jose
 
I have found in my years of training that “Ch’i” is a load of balony. What I’ve come to understand is not how to use any cosmic force, but how to use bio-physical mechanics. This is the secret to how martial artists do seemingly super-human feats. I can put out candles by punching at the flame. By swinging my waist around before extending my arm to punch, I put my body’s weight behind the punch. Multiply that by the velocity of the movement and you have a a powerful weapon. By focusing this on a precise point, you can do severe damage. In the case of the candle, the movement causes my fist to push a small amount of air. when the movement stops just before touching the flame, the air extinguishes it. Breaking boards and stuff is a matter of using the same formula against the weakest point of the target. No magic, no “using the force,” just simple science. That’s why we learn to respect others and conduct ourselves honorably. A martial artist learns to use every part of his/her body as a lethal weapon, so we can say that martial artists are always armed, and an armed society had better be a polite one.

I think someone who posted about Aikido explained it best when they wrote that their instructor doesn’t teach them to use ch’i, but to use the body’s center of gravity located just beneath the navel. That’s why us kung-fu guys use our waist so much. It’s where we get our power. I used to compete in modern wushu forms. I did my flying kicks so high, I could go over a persons head (In wushu, it’s important to jump, kick, and land on the same leg when doing any jumping kick). The trick was learning to lift my center of gravity for each technique.

Someone once argued with me about Tai Chi being “uncatholic.” Their reasoning was that it was a form of meditation. I don’t know who taught them, if anyone, but Tai Chi is about concentration, not meditation. You can’t meditate and practice movements meant for combat at the same time. You’ll be distracted, it will become habit, and when you have to defend yourself, you’ll get killed. In Tai Chi, we concentrate on keeping the body totally relaxed and being fluid with each movement, just as with any other form of kung fu, except Tai Chi forms tend to be slower.

Anyway, I just wanted to put in my 2 cents on this because there are people out there who are against the practice of martial arts by Catholics, particularly internal forms like Tai Chi, Aikido, Bagua Zhang, etc, because of the eastern religious practices sometimes involved. I’ve been fortunate that all my instructors throughout my life left all that stuff out.

It’s easy to filter all the eastern pagan mambo-jambo out if you just see the science of it. Anyone who’s watched “Fight Science” on the National Geographic channel would understand. If you are into MA, you should watch these programs. They’ll open your eyes. I believe they’re available on DVD.

If there are any people who insist martial arts are dangerous because they can’t be Christianized out there, try Filipino Arnis. There’s no meditation and no eastern religious influence involved. Most Filipino’s are Catholic. I trained in this style and enjoyed it very much. It’s very practical. There’s also Krav Maga. This one was developed by the Isreali military. It has no Jewish religious practices to it, but it does teach you how to take a gun away from a person without getting shot. Scary stuff!

In Christ,

Jose
A year or so ago they ran that show Fight Quest—two Americans went all over the world learning different martial arts. They went to Japan, they went to Mexico, France, China, all of it utterly fascinating, but I think the hardest time they had was in Israel, learning Krav Maga. :eek:
 
My sons’ Karate teacher is a devout Catholic and I am extremely happy with the way he conducts his classes, teaching respect, discipline, honesty and hard work.

He clearly loves teaching and gets the best out of each of his students.

The bowing is a sign of respect to the teacher and the other students. My kids bow on stage after their piano recital too. Bowing in our culture is not just reserved for the altar.
 
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