So are you saying these Neanderthals had the same souls as us, if so and they had lesser intelligence how could they have a relationship with God?
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No. I don’t believe in the spontaneous creation of Homo sapiens sapiens or Homo sapiens neanderthalenis, and won’t be making up justifications for hypotheses that do.
May I not call this tribe “Neanderthal”? Simply after the Neanderthal valley in which their fossils were first discovered?
However, it now appears that at least you accept that they existed. Now would you like to explain how different you think they were from “Adam and Eve”. Since you think they were a ‘tribe’ of humans, which I would not disagree with, you must acknowledge that they were descended from Adam and Eve. So what did Adam and Eve look like?
What I don’t believe is there were some inferior style humans living billions of years ago that evolved into what we are today. God created Adam from the dust not from evolved Neanderthals.
Therefore if a scientist has a skeleton in his museum that he calls Neanderthal the only explanation would be a human like us that belonged to a different tribe not some missing link.
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I would say that Neanderthals were our brothers and sisters.
I’m not sure what evidence there is that they possessed less intelligence.
It’s my experience that level of intelligence has little, if any, relationship with Godliness.
Philosophers like to speak of a rational soul and we have labelled ourselves as Homo sapiens, but what makes us human is love.
I’m not sure what evidence there is that they possessed less intelligence.
It’s my experience that level of intelligence has little, if any, relationship with Godliness.
Philosophers like to speak of a rational soul and we have labelled ourselves as Homo sapiens, but what makes us human is love.
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I see. So if Adam was a “human like us”, and some of his dependents formed into a tribe of “inferior style humans” called Neanderthals, are there other human tribes who are also “inferior style humans”? I’d like to understand your ideas rather than put words into your mouth.
I’m not the one that says Neanderthals existed as lower intelligence humans. Either they were exactly the same as us as descendants of Adam or someone is twisting the truth?
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They only people on this thread who have described the Neanderthals in derogatory terms are yourself and ChunkMonk. You first announced that “Half-man/half-ape “people” didn’t exist”, and when you did admit their existence called them “ape-like creatures” (which is when I said your prejudice against them was unChristian). When Angel remonstrated with you that they were not half-ape, you suggested “1/4?”. Finally you came up with “are you saying these Neanderthals had the same souls as us, if so and they had lesser intelligence how could they have a relationship with God?” and called them “inferior style humans.”
I think you really need to get a grip on what you actually believe.
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I know what I believe, I just don’t articulate very well.
God didn’t create evolution, apes turning into humans.
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Aloysium
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I’m not sure what you mean, but in answer to your question, I’d say that it is what we do, classify living organisms according to their physical morphology. There are other, better ways of understanding our world around us, but that’s where we are in terms of science.Aloysium:
So why call them Neanderthals?
1861, in reference to a type of extinct hominid.
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Hugh_Farey
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Neanderthals as a group were sufficiently distinctive to be demarcated as sister-species to Homo sapiens sapiens. However, they were certainly not the only tribe known to have become extinct.
In your belief when did God create them and where did Adam and Eve come from?
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They purposely render these to conform to evo theory.
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Hugh_Farey
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Humanity, to me, took a very long time to develop, from Homo habilis, whose culture was only slightly different from his contemporary apes, to the later Homo erectus, or maybe Homo intercessor, whose culture was only slightly different from the hunter-gatherer peoples of today. Modern humans and neanderthals could gradually be distinguished from about five hundred thousand years ago. The point at which we can say that people were sufficient well developed to envisage a sense of the almighty and responsibility for their misbehaviour might have occurred about a million years ago. If I needed to p(name removed by moderator)oint a date for “Adam and Eve”, it would be about then.
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Did God know what Adam would look like?
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Hugh_Farey
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I wish you’d stop using the word “So” at the beginning of your posts, as if they were logically derived from mine, when in fact there is no connection at all. In many important respects, and at different levels, no, I don’t think the evolution of man occurred by chance, although scientifically unpredictable events certainly played an important role in making it come about.
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You keep asking that, and I keep saying yes. What is the point of the question? Did it crop up in something you heard or read as a child and you have been using it as a shibboleth ever since?
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