Apparitions - Deceptions of Satan?

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Ruthie said:
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Earlier, there was discussion of the “golden rule.” In Mt 19:19b and Mt 22:39b, Jesus said, **** “Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.”

The same wording appears in Leviticus 19:18.
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“Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” is NOT the Golden Rule.

The Golden Rule is “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”, and that is not even close to what is found in Leviticus.

There is a big difference between loving your neighbor and doing unto him; namely, you must love first, and then do unto him.

The Golden Rule cannot be paraphrased into something else, and then “found” in the non-Catholic Old Testament.

The wording of "unto others as you would have them . . . " is found only in Tobit.
 
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Alfie:
We are fruitful and multiplied.

In Genesis God also told the man and the woman to have dominion over the earth. I would have to say that having control over how many children a married couple personally desire is part of that dominion. When God was telling Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply he was more than likely giving them a lecture on the “birds and the bees”.
Really? He was saying to the one and only man and woman in existence at the time ‘have your kids, but not TOO many - and by the way when you get to 6 billion or so, that’s as many as I want so they should stop’ ?!?
 
Hello Eden,

In the 90’s I had some friends very devoted to the apparitions in Medjugoria. Some of my friends went to Yugoslavia several times. I never went there. Then my freinds said an apparitionist was coming to a parish in town. Wow! I thought. It turned out not to be one of the Medjugoria apparitionists but another.

We went to the meeting and sure enough Mary appeared. Well not to us but to the apparitionist. At the end of the gathering the basket was passed around to help the appariitoinist with “traveling expenses”. Then they passed around a pre-zeroxed copy of the message that Mary had given that evening. On the back of the copies was the address of the apparitionist in case you forgot your wallet that night and now you could mail her a check to help her with “traveling expenses”. Oh! and mail her any “prayer requests”. Then the apparisionist told us that Mary had said that she would be back tomarow after the nine and elleven oclock Masses. In case we had friends who missed out that evening.

On the way home I told my friends, "I am sure that if you gave the apparisionist enough money for “traveling expenses’ you could have Mary appear in your own living room.” They were very upset with me for “judging” this apparisionist.

I think there is a great deal of room for Satan to work in decieving the faithful when it comes to apparitionists.
 
MEDJUGORJE IS NOT AN APPROVED APPARITION.

Sorry to shout, but this thread is about approved apparitions.
 
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Eden:
Fatima, Lourdes and Guadeloupe are three of those listed as worthy of belief on this website. There are four others on here: Our Lady of Good Success, The Miraculous Medal, La Salette, and Knock:

www.fisheaters.com/apparitions.html
Why is it always Mary that appears in these visions? How about Jesus for a change? I have heard of some reports of Jesus appearing before Muslims, usually in places of the world where there are no missionaries. I might possibly believe that because the Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. On the other hand the Bible says “woe” to this perverse and evil generation who demand signs and wonders.
 
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Alfie:
Why is it always Mary that appears in these visions? How about Jesus for a change? I have heard of some reports of Jesus appearing before Muslims, usually in places of the world where there are no missionaries. I might possibly believe that because the Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. On the other hand the Bible says “woe” to this perverse and evil generation who demand signs and wonders.
It is my understanding that Jesus will not appear to us again before His Second Coming. I know nothing about Muslims and Jesus apparitions. Can you please give me a link? Mary fills a special role as messenger before His Second Coming.
 
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Alfie:
Why is it always Mary that appears in these visions? How about Jesus for a change?
It’s not always Mary.

Jesus appeared repeatedly to St. Margaret Mary Alocoque in the 17th century.

Eden can probably tell us if this constitutes an approved apparition, given that St. Margaret Mary was canonized.
 
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Alfie:
Why is it always Mary that appears in these visions? How about Jesus for a change? I have heard of some reports of Jesus appearing before Muslims, usually in places of the world where there are no missionaries. I might possibly believe that because the Lord appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus. On the other hand the Bible says “woe” to this perverse and evil generation who demand signs and wonders.
Of course Jesus has appeared - to St Faustina, St Margaret Mary Alacoque and doubtless many other holy men and women. Many more of course, like with Mary, fraudulently or mistakenly claim to have seen him as well. Not one approved apparition would have happened to people who ‘demanded’ to see Jesus or Mary.

One notable example was St Francis of Assisi, who (if I recall correctly) started the tradition of the Nativity Scene by setting up a life-size one in his local church at Greccio. That Christmas at the midnight Mass the figure of baby Jesus came to life.

Edit: Just found this site which lists approved (and unapproved as well!) apparitions of Jesus and Mary
 
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Batjacboy:
It’s not always Mary.

Jesus appeared repeatedly to St. Margaret Mary Alocoque in the 17th century.

Eden can probably tell us if this constitutes an approved apparition, given that St. Margaret Mary was canonized.
I have only seen the list of approved Marian apparitions.

Thanks for the examples in which Jesus appeared. I’m not familiar with the case you cited.
 
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Eden:
I have only seen the list of approved Marian apparitions.

Thanks for the examples in which Jesus appeared. I’m not familiar with the case you cited.
St Margaret Mary Alacoque’s visions form the basis of the Catholic devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus (such as the Nine First Fridays).

St Faustina, of course, is responsible for the currently widely popular devotions to Divine Mercy, (just as a plug Divine Mercy Sunday is coming up the Sunday after Easter, people … ).
 
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LilyM:
St Margaret Mary Alacoque’s visions form the basis of the Catholic devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus (such as the Nine First Fridays).

St Faustina, of course, is responsible for the currently widely popular devotions to Divine Mercy, (just as a plug Divine Mercy Sunday is coming up the Sunday after Easter, people … ).
I didn’t realize where the devotion of the Sacred Heart of Jesus originated. Thanks! 🙂
 
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Eden:
I didn’t realize where the devotion of the Sacred Heart of Jesus originated. Thanks! 🙂
JMJ + OBT​

St. Margaret Mary certainly had a part in spreading devotion to the Sacred Heart, as we know it. You might enjoy reading more about the history and nature of this devotion in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:

Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
 
whosebob said:

JMJ + OBT​

St. Margaret Mary certainly had a part in spreading devotion to the Sacred Heart, as we know it. You might enjoy reading more about the history and nature of this devotion in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:

Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA

I stand corrected - didn’t know devotion to the Sacred Heart preceded St Margaret Mary. Thanks for that.
 
whosebob said:

JMJ + OBT​

St. Margaret Mary certainly had a part in spreading devotion to the Sacred Heart, as we know it. You might enjoy reading more about the history and nature of this devotion in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia:

Devotion to the Sacred Heart of Jesus

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA

Thank you for sharing more about this beautiful devotion. 🙂
 
Steven Merten:
Hello Eden,

In the 90’s I had some friends very devoted to the apparitions in Medjugoria. Some of my friends went to Yugoslavia several times. I never went there. Then my freinds said an apparitionist was coming to a parish in town. Wow! I thought. It turned out not to be one of the Medjugoria apparitionists but another.

We went to the meeting and sure enough Mary appeared. Well not to us but to the apparitionist. At the end of the gathering the basket was passed around to help the appariitoinist with “traveling expenses”. Then they passed around a pre-zeroxed copy of the message that Mary had given that evening. On the back of the copies was the address of the apparitionist in case you forgot your wallet that night and now you could mail her a check to help her with “traveling expenses”. Oh! and mail her any “prayer requests”. Then the apparisionist told us that Mary had said that she would be back tomarow after the nine and elleven oclock Masses. In case we had friends who missed out that evening.

On the way home I told my friends, "I am sure that if you gave the apparisionist enough money for “traveling expenses’ you could have Mary appear in your own living room.” They were very upset with me for “judging” this apparisionist.

I think there is a great deal of room for Satan to work in decieving the faithful when it comes to apparitionists.
Hi Steve,

I actually think you are making great point here. One that Catholics and non-Catholics BOTH need to recognize.

I realize that the purpose of this thread was to discuss approved Marian apparitions, however, it is hard to overlook the endless number of “apparitions” and “revelations” that Catholics and non-Catholics flock toward.

Stories such as yours are perfect indicators that Satan is at work in this world and he is the ultimate wolf in sheep’s clothing.

This is precisely why the Church is so guarded in her “approval” of such.

We are told, through Scripture and by the teaching authority of the Church that private revelations (including appartitions) are to be tested.
1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 1 John 4: 1-3
Here, we have Biblical “proof” of certain spiritual apparitions which are “from God” and those which are false. The Biblical model is to test those spirits, which is exactly the teaching of the Church.
Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.
Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations.” CCC 67
All private revelation should always point us towards Christ.

The challenge should be, then, for those who oppose such private revelations to give concrete, tested proof that the approved Marian apparitions which they oppose are contrary to Christ and his teachings.

I think a turn in that directions may help in this profitable discussion!
 
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myfavoritmartin:
I will respectfully ask you to point a mary apparition recorded by a protestant.
I will respectfully ask you:
A) If Marian apparitions are the works of the devil (why does that phrase sound like Bobby Bouchet’s momma?)
B) and if the Catholic Church is the tool of the devil

Then wouldn’t the Devil send his “Marian Apparitions” to Protestants in order to steer them toward the Catholic Church and away from God???

Hmmmmm…

Notworthy
 
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Alfie:
In Genesis God also told the man and the woman to have dominion over the earth. I would have to say that having control over how many children a married couple personally desire is part of that dominion.
So you’re saying Abortion is our God-given right??? (Abortion is what we were talking about) Please tell me you’re not trying to justify abortion as a heavenly command. Are you sure your Patrica Ireland?

Notworthy
 
Let’s not forget that Christ as well as Mary and St. Francis I believe, came to Padre Pio.
 
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NotWorthy:
I will respectfully ask you:
A) If Marian apparitions are the works of the devil (why does that phrase sound like Bobby Bouchet’s momma?)
B) and if the Catholic Church is the tool of the devil

Then wouldn’t the Devil send his “Marian Apparitions” to Protestants in order to steer them toward the Catholic Church and away from God???

Hmmmmm…

Notworthy
It is quit possible he may appear before an un-saved protestant, but if he would not have the guts to appear before an Evangelical believer like myself because I would simply "plead the blood of Jesus against him’. Because I am protected by the blood if I were in a crowd of people who were looking at a “Marian Apparition” I probably would not be able to see it anyway. To me believing in apparitions would be an easy way to get yourself possessed by the devil.
 
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