Apparitions - Deceptions of Satan?

[mumof5]

Wildgraywolf:

Interesting… Actually, I don’t recall of hearing of any apparitions to protestants, but that dosen’t mean they don’t happen… Or maybe, and I’m just speculating now, that it has something to do with this:

Mat 13:58* Because they did not have faith, he did not perform many miracles there.*

Now, I am by no means saying that Protestants have no faith, what I am saying is that there may be a difference in the quality of faith between Catholics and Protestants.

Interesting because I have seen many works of the Holy Spirit carried out in church. For example, this year, a woman had several skin cancer lesions and was healed of them by prayer and laying on of hands during the service. The doctors have no explanation. This was MY church. And there are more examples like this in the same church. This is just one recent example.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

mumof5:

Interesting because I have seen many works of the Holy Spirit carried out in church. For example, this year, a woman had several skin cancer lesions and was healed of them by prayer and laying on of hands during the service. The doctors have no explanation. This was MY church. And there are more examples like this in the same church. This is just one recent example.

Awesome! :clapping:

 

[Wildgraywolf]

havemercy:

Let’s not forget that Christ as well as Mary and St. Francis I believe, came to Padre Pio.

You know that is true… It’s too bad we got stuck on Marian apparitions.

Anyone know of a website that lists apparitions of Jesus, the apostles and angels & saints?

 

[DeFide]

Alfie:

…To me believing in apparitions would be an easy way to get yourself possessed by the devil.

So it’s dangerous to believe Luke 9:30ff?

And behold, two men were conversing with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his exodus that he was going to accomplish in Jerusalem

Is the Book of Revelation out, too? Don’t worry, the Church Christ established has authoritatively decided that these accounts are inspired scripture.

 

[johnq]

Wildgraywolf:

You know that is true… It’s too bad we got stuck on Marian apparitions.

Anyone know of a website that lists apparitions of Jesus, the apostles and angels & saints?

I don’t know of a website, but you could look up the saints themselves.

Other mystics to consider would be

Life & Revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich
Very Rev. K. E.Schmoger
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The Dialogue of St. Catherine Of Siena
St. Catherine Of Siena
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The Life of St. Gemma Galgani
Venerable Fr. Germanus C.P.
$14.00 Product Details

Life & Revelations of Saint Gertrude the Great
St. Gertrude the Great
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St. Anthony Wonder Worker
Charles Warren Stoddard
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Life & Revelations of Saint Gertrude the Great
St. Gertrude the Great
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Alexandrina
Francis Johnston

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[havemercy]

Wildgraywolf:

You know that is true… It’s too bad we got stuck on Marian apparitions.

Anyone know of a website that lists apparitions of Jesus, the apostles and angels & saints?

Demons also plagued that man. The devil appeared to him disguised as the Blessed Virgin, a crucifix, some of the saints, a grotesquely large black dog whos breath was like smoke, and a nude woman dancing. He was tormented by such spirits continually but he knew that they were demonic.

He was also visited by Jesus, Mary, his guardian angel, and I think also St. Michael (I’m not sure…I remember reading this).

Padre Pio…I would have liked to meet him.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

johnq:

I don’t know of a website, but you could look up the saints themselves.

Other mystics to consider would be

Life & Revelations of Anne Catherine Emmerich
Very Rev. K. E.Schmoger
$25.00 Product Details

The Dialogue of St. Catherine Of Siena
St. Catherine Of Siena
$9.00 Product Details

The Life of St. Gemma Galgani
Venerable Fr. Germanus C.P.
$14.00 Product Details

Life & Revelations of Saint Gertrude the Great
St. Gertrude the Great
$18.00 Product Details

St. Anthony Wonder Worker
Charles Warren Stoddard
$5.00 Product Details

Life & Revelations of Saint Gertrude the Great
St. Gertrude the Great
$18.00 Product Details

Alexandrina
Francis Johnston

$7.00 Product Details

Thank you!

 

[Wildgraywolf]

havemercy:

Demons also plagued that man. The devil appeared to him disguised as the Blessed Virgin, a crucifix, some of the saints, a grotesquely large black dog whos breath was like smoke, and a nude woman dancing. He was tormented by such spirits continually but he knew that they were demonic.

He was also visited and comforted by Jesus, Mary, his guardian angel, and I think also St. Michael (I’m not sure…I remember reading this).

It makes me wonder now if some of the posters would consider Padre Pio’s demonic apparitions were actually God trying to correct him and the apparitions of Jesus and Mary were Satan trying to decieve him. Maybe not, it’s probably all of Satanic origin; it’s best for them to keep God bound and gagged between the pages of a book.

 

[Mijoy2]

If all apparitions are from satan, and it’s virtually all catholics that are the recipient of these manifestations, wouldn’t that imply satan feels he needs to decieve/attack catholics more so then all others?

 

[TobyLue]

If all apparitions are from satan, and it’s virtually all catholics that are the recipient of these manifestations, wouldn’t that imply satan feels he needs to decieve/attack catholics more so then all others?

True. Why would he bother with sombody he already has in his back pocket?

 

[Writer]

Eden:

Local bishops can support anything but that does not mean they are correct. Has the Vatican approved this apparition? Not that I am aware of. Using questionable “apparitions” to discredit all apparitions is not useful for determining the legitimacy of those that are approved.

There are many miracles that people have claimed have happenend to them - like on those fundamentalist kinds of shows where people fall down with the spirit and then “can walk again”. Should I use those fake healings that have been proven staged as examples of how miracles cannot happen at all?

Please read the context of my posts with more care. I never said that we should use questionable apparitions to dis-prove other apparitions. I did, however, call for some critical and God-centered thinking.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

TobyLue:

True. Why would he bother with sombody he already has in his back pocket?

I think Eden summed it up pretty well…

Eden:

The main reason why Protestants cannot accept approved Marian apparitions is that they contradict so much of Protestant theology - that Mary was not assumed into heaven and that she was not ever-virgin are two problematic Protestant teachings that would preclude them from believing.

Since not everything about apparitions can be explained away as delusions, psychosis or fraud, the last resort for a Protestant to hang on to their teachings about Mary is to say that even approved apparitions of Mary are from the devil.

To some folks, aparently, God is only allowed to operate within certain paramaters as defined by thier personal interpretaion of scripture. Anything other than that must be Satanic or a tradition of men.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

TobyLue:

True. Why would he bother with sombody he already has in his back pocket?

Or we could look at it from this standpoint, the protestant evangelist faith is so strong that the devil wouldn’t dare try to deceive. Also, with the idolic question mark surrounding saints and Mary(which true catholics defend to death) wouldn’t that be the perfect open window for him.

 

[jim1130]

myfavoritmartin:

. Also, with the **idolic question mark ** surrounding saints and Mary(which true catholics defend to death) wouldn’t that be the perfect open window for him.

Peace (emphasis in your quote is mine).

Please, we do not worship Mary and the Saints. There is no reason for a question mark. We protect the Saints, and particularly Mary, because both seem to be under constant attack from non-Catholics who misunderstand.

Please, you have been on this site long enough to know that we do not worship Mary or worship the Saints. If a non-Catholilc says to you “Catholics worship Mary and the Saints” you should be able to say, without compromising your own current theological position, that “Catholics do not worship Mary and do not worship the Saints.”

Thank you.

Peace.

 

[Wildgraywolf]

myfavoritmartin:

Or we could look at it from this standpoint, the protestant evangelist faith is so strong that the devil wouldn’t dare try to deceive. Also, with the idolic question mark surrounding saints and Mary(which true catholics defend to death) wouldn’t that be the perfect open window for him.

lol… The um… flip side of that could be; why would God even bother since you wouldn’t believe anything He said unless it was already written down in the bible.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

jim1130:

If a non-Catholilc says to you “Catholics worship Mary and the Saints” you should be able to say, without compromising your own current theological position, that “Catholics do not worship Mary and do not worship the Saints.”

Thank you.

Peace.

I would defend you because I understand how you think on this.

But if you read what I’m saying, it is that, let’s just say our heavenly father come judgement day does have a problem with not going directly to Christ and not doing the praying with Mary and the hail Mary’s wouldn’t this be the perfect window for satan?

 

[Wildgraywolf]

myfavoritmartin:

I would defend you because I understand how you think on this.

But if you read what I’m saying, it is that, let’s just say our heavenly father come judgement day does have a problem with not going directly to Christ and not doing the praying with Mary and the hail Mary’s wouldn’t this be the perfect window for satan?

Well, if it were Judgement Day wouldn’t it be a bit late to pray?

 

[myfavoritmartin]

Wildgraywolf:

Well, if it were Judgement Day wouldn’t it be a bit late to pray?

Yep sure would!
but that really has nothing to do with my point, at least not that I can see.

 

[jim1130]

myfavoritmartin:

I would defend you because I understand how you think on this.

But if you read what I’m saying, it is that, let’s just say our heavenly father come judgement day does have a problem with not going directly to Christ and not doing the praying with Mary and the hail Mary’s wouldn’t this be the perfect window for satan?

Peace.

No, not necessarily. The core of the Hail Mary is “blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus” and all we ask is that Mary pray with us and for us through Christ. I think that when people say “I pray to Mary” it is automatically inferred that Mary is the target of praise, worship, and recognition. I certainly realize how that is easily misinterpreted because of its presentation. Even I have misstated how I pray to Mary so when I back peddle to explain I sound defensive and, possible, not particularly credible.

I would believe that God would say to me (now, we are speaking hypothetically because I am not assured of my salvation), “Welcome, Jim. Come straight in. You sure have had a lot of prayers on your behalf, especially from Mary and the Saints, over the years.”

The Catechism is very specific that Christ is the one mediator between God and man. We do not diminish that. All we ask is for the prayers of others alongside our prayers.

And I half-jokingly tell people, “I need all the additional prayers that I can get.”

Peace.

 

[myfavoritmartin]

jim1130:

Peace.

No, not necessarily. The core of the Hail Mary is “blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus” and all we ask is that Mary pray with us and for us through Christ. I think that when people say “I pray to Mary” it is automatically inferred that Mary is the target of praise, worship, and recognition. I certainly realize how that is easily misinterpreted because of its presentation. Even I have misstated how I pray to Mary so when I back peddle to explain I sound defensive and, possible, not particularly credible.

Let me reitirate, I do not any longer confuse worship and praying with Mary, so let me put it this way. Christ may have a problem with kissing the toe of St.Peter or bowing to a statue of Mary… we truly do not know what his response is. Whether it pleases or angers him, if it does anger him and satan knows that and also satan knows how us humans defend the right to show admiration to Mary and the Saints. Is not this the perfect opportunity to deceive?