Appropriate Punishment: Please read before voting.

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Life in prison,

I was pro death penalty most of my life. Now I figure there is always a chance (however small) that the guy/gal will become a Christian and repent. For the people who say the death penalty is good I would ask ‘what does it accomplish’?

People in Texas are executed all the time, yet the killing continues. If it does nothing then why not give them every chance to repent? Besides that, most people say they want them executed because it represents justice. Life in a cage is far more painful then a lethal injection.
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we all deserve punishment.

may we pray that this man, who has done this horrible thing, receives mercy, as we all desire for ourselves.
 
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jeffreedy789:
this is a person, who can spend his eternity in heaven or hell, based on whether we kill him now, or give him time to learn about what he did, .
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This is a common fallacy that I often see in arguements against the death penalty. If a convicted child murderer goes to heaven or to hell it will be for the same reason anyone does, because he chose that path. Our actions do not override God’s justice, or his mercy.

I understand the neccesity of not judging a person in the eternal sense reserved to God alone, but the judging of appropriate punishment is crucial in any society.
 
I am torn on this one. I voted life with no parole. I don’t know what I would do if it was my own child. I really honestly think that the parents of the child should choose the punnishment. What do you think?
 
This is a common fallacy that I often see in arguements against the death penalty.
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your logic makes it sound like we have no bearing in the eternal destinations of other people.

if you kill someone rather than give them time in prison, do you not think it limits their chances of repenting and redemption?

especially given our call to visit people in prison - bring them hope and light?
 
Can we be absolutly positively sure the Guilty party will never-ever escape custody to roam free and have his way with another innocent victim?

Since the answer to that question is “no,” Death is appropriate.
 
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jeffreedy789:
your logic makes it sound like we have no bearing in the eternal destinations of other people.

if you kill someone rather than give them time in prison, do you not think it limits their chances of repenting and redemption?
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Yes. I do believe that ultimately everyone must choose for themselves.

I also am slow to guess which way opens the door to repentance wide. “Teach us to number or days aright that we may gain wisdom of the heart.” Or to rephrase, nothing quite clears a man’s mind like the knowledge that he will be hanged in the morning.

On the other hand, the promise of tomorrow, or the next day and so forth would be more likely to lead one already in Satan’s grip to buy into his greatest lie, that there is always more time. Fifty years behind bars is also fifty more years to harden one’s heart.
 
I choose “life in prison without parole”
I support death penalty but I don’t think it should be used on serial killers/rapists, they have mental disorders which forced them to kill.

It would proper to use DP on killers that
  1. have no mental disorders nor addicted to killing, like those motivated purely by political/monetary gain.
  2. premediated the crime
  3. aged 18 or older
I also believe some type of criminals(I prefer abortionists) should be hanged in public using short or no drops to set examples while others can be hanged using long drops behind prison walls

I don’t like lethal injection and electric chair
 
[QUOTEoriginally posted by **Lisa N.
The real problem is that this is a sex offender and they are simply impossible to rehabilitate in any significant percentage. While I voted rot in prison until you die, the reality is, turning them loose in the prison population would probably shorten their life considerably.
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As usual, I agree with Lisa.
Having had a prison ministry for 3 years and had a member of my family do 10 years in a state prison(NOT for any child offense), I know that prisons have their own code.
Child offenders are the “pond scum” and their lives are are at risk from the moment they enter the system and the other prisoners learn what they are in prison for.
They are not, usually, able to be rehabilitated from their proclivities, so I vote for life without parole.
By the grace of God, they may find Him in their hearts eventually.
Romans 12:19 “Revenge is mine says the Lord. I will repay.”
 
What about lots and lots of prison time, in addition to nice happy physical removal of all his genitalia. (none of this “chemical castration” ****." It would also be nifty to bury him alive a couple of times, then dig him out, beat him to a pulp, and do it again as he regains conciousness. If he survives, then talk about mercy.
 
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Fists? Not me. I’m bringing a knife, but not to kill. A little corrective surgery, maybe…

Justice would be rendered by Life without parole. The general prison population doesn’t like child-rapist-killers and would see that “life” would be pretty short.
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I’m with you. I say make him a eunich and then throw him into the general population.

Scout
 
Why is it when we discuss the Death Penalty (specifically for Serious Sexual Predators who murder their victims) many of us opt for the “Throw him to the General Population and let him fend for himself.” ?

We can’t bear the thought of our judicial system which allows a jury to hear the evidence and decide guilt or innocence then consider and in some cases impose the penalty. After the Trial there is a legnthy review/appeal process which often upholds the sentence but also finds cause to overturn.

But we imply that if the convicted Sexual Prredator/Murderer is sent to General Pop and dealt with “appropriately” we would have no problem with it. What is the Difference? If an Inmate takes care of the dirty work for us is he guilty of Murder or is he now society’s hero?

I’d rather leave the work to the established process than leave it to another convict.
 
I said life in prison, no parole. BUT one caveat, is for the scum who commits such crimes and are not forced to reveal where they have hidden the bodies. These low lifes should be forced to disclose everything they know about their crimes.

It is totally wrong that parents who have already been victimized can not even get the bodies of their children back. Convicted rapists/murderers have no rights as far as I’m concerned. They should be forced (by any and all means necessary-torture, hypnosis, or truth serum, etc) to disclose locations of their victims.

When you are a convicted rapist or murderer, I believe you have forfeited your rights to secrecy or self incrimination. It is at societies discretion that we allow you to live, the very least you owe us is the assistance to find out where are the bodies are buried.

Our system of justice that protects the guilty and further victimizes victims is just plain wrong.

wc
 
lock him away until you find a cure if need be… let him work hard labor for the rest of his natural days… let him work cleaning up after sick people… i don’t know or pretend to have “THE” answer, but killing does not deter sick people… Pope JPII says no too… he may know just a tad more than you and i do about the state of the mind of a sick person…

you know that we as a society don’t know all there is to know about the mind of someone who could perpatrate such a terrible crime, but most agree it’s not the product of a healthy rational mind… their bent, just as sure as God made little green apples, they are sick in the head for want of a better description…

if somewhere down the road a fix for this sickness is discovered, i would rather think we didn’t kill when we didn’t have too…IMHO
 
I selected other just because I no longer know for sure what I think about he death penalty! 😦 As a former police officer, as well as a former “non-practicing” Catholic I was very highly in favor of the death penalty - in almost any “appropriate” case.

The last six or seven years of prayer & rediscovering my faith, and the last two years of study in a Ministry of Formation program have convinced me that nothing is as clear-cut as I used to believe. I think the fact that the Church does not teach that capital punishment is intrinsicly evil in and of itself is what keeps me on the fence on this issue!
 
rec,

The fence you are on is where I, too, sit. I have made a serious try of understanding the Church’s teaching on the matter and specifically of our bishops desire to eliminate the death penalty. If the callous and evil people in this country would stop trying to find new inhumanities to inflict on us and our families, it would be easier to construct the argument against it.
 
This man has already been given mercy, he was previously released from prison after serving his time. Lock him up feed him bread and water, and never, ever allow him to interact with another human being again. Also, put a wall sized mural of the little girl on every wall and celiling, so that wherever he looks, he is reminded of why he is no longer allowed to be with other human beings. If he has a change of heart, it is between him and God, but out duty is to protect other people from this repeat offender.
 
I also am slow to guess which way opens the door to repentance wide. “Teach us to number or days aright that we may gain wisdom of the heart.” Or to rephrase, nothing quite clears a man’s mind like the knowledge that he will be hanged in the morning.
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On the other hand, the promise of tomorrow, or the next day and so forth would be more likely to lead one already in Satan’s grip to buy into his greatest lie, that there is always more time. Fifty years behind bars is also fifty more years to harden one’s heart.
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your argument is compelling, but it runs contrary to the reasons stated in scripture concerning why God ‘delays’ in returning to the earth. the Bible says that ‘He is not slow as we consider slowness’ but that He is waiting - giving us plenty of time to reconsider our lives and repent.

we might also consider that the position of the RCC is to avoid capital punishment if the society is capable of life imprisonment.

so the Bible and the teachings of the church point to life in prison for this person.
 
If he has a change of heart, it is between him and God, but out duty is to protect other people from this repeat offender.
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PART of our duty is to keep him from offending again.

another part of our duty is to express the love and forgiveness of Christ to this man.
 
Hmm…I vote for life in prison, no possibility of parole EVER in Maricopa County, AZ. 😃 The things that have been happening lately with repeat offenders make me want to cry, and I’m not one to cry. How they could ever be released back into society is what gets me.😦
 
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