Archbishop Wilton Gregory will not deny Biden Communion

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TMC said:
virtually every GOP politician publicly supports issues that go contrary to Catholic teachings. I have named several in this thread, including the death penalty…
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I thought that support of the death penalty was prudential ?
 
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upant said:
neither is b gregory.
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And? Never said anything about the “rule” which you apparently don’t fully understand, just about those specific person’s jurisdiction to make any decision about it. And they won’t have it in the future; Cardinal Gregory will in the fullness of time.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
Cardinal Burke and Archbishop Chaput have expressed their thoughts.

Neither of them have any jurisdiction in this matter.
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Whilst matters of jurisdiction are pertinent to who in the end has authority & capacity to act, they do not confer greater wisdom to assess the circumstances.

Many here find it perplexing that a catholic, who unashamedly seeks to ensure the easy availability of abortion services and views their easy availability as a good thing, is also welcomed to the communion table. Many find that at odds with the guidance expressed previously by the Church.
Don_Ruggero said:
The opinions and conclusions hold absolutely no interest for me because they [are] not soundly arrived at
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Will you help us to understand how sound reasoning reasonably can lead to the conclusions expressed by cardinal Gregory?
 
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upant said:
Biden campaigned on being pro-Roe and being a Catholic,
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I read that there was a Jesuit priest who taught that you can be personally opposed to abortion and to contraception, but at the same time you can be against laws that prohibit such. He made a distinction between the two issues.
 
Rau said:
Will you help us to understand how sound reasoning reasonably can lead to the conclusions expressed by cardinal Gregory?
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I could.

However, in this particular circumstance, I choose not to.

The Cardinal himself has explained his thought quite well and articulately.

Given the attitudes that I am reading of certain posters, my response is a straight forward one in this case: the bishop of a diocese governs his diocese and those who are in it. The laity are governed by their respective bishops, to whom they show respect, deference and filial obedience.

We are not an egalitarian society. We are a divinely constituted hierarchy. We each have our place in that…and we do well to mind our place.

 
upant said:
that is nonsense,
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You may want to re-visit your method of advocating a position…if advocating is really what you wish to do.

Had you been given the opportunity to visit me in my office of my chancery and employed the language and attitudes you demonstrate here, you would not have stayed in my office very long. Nor would you have been given the chance to visit it again…ever.
 
Don, that article barely touches the topic, but it would appear the cardinal does not wish to confront the situation early on.
Don_Ruggero said:
The laity are governed by their respective bishops, to whom they show respect, deference and filial obedience.
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There was a time when no one would dream of challenging a bishop’s decisions. I think those days are forever gone.
 
Rau said:
There was a time when no one would dream of challenging a bishop’s decisions. I think those days are forever gone.
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Forever is a long time.

What I am seeing here in this thread is not the deferential inquiry that a respectful son or daughter raises as a concern to a venerated and far wiser father…which is the proper attitude to one’s bishop.

At the end of the day, every bishop stands as a successor to the Apostles.
 
Don_Ruggero said:
I received it when I was ordained.
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so should Biden present himself for communion? what about the rules? does everyone get the same treatment? what about the scandal?
Don_Ruggero said:
The Cardinal himself has explained his thought quite well and articulately.
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he basically didn’t address the issue of approaching unworthily in the article you posted, he doesn’t want a gun on the table? what does this mean? he had no reason to address it at all at this time.
Don_Ruggero said:
and we do well to mind our place.
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I remember being told that decades ago and the outcome for the church wasn’t good when it was followed.

I learned 1 THESSALONIANS 5:21 was a better way to address issues
Test all things; hold fast to that which is good.
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Don_Ruggero said:
Had you been given the opportunity to visit me in my office of my chancery and employed the language and attitudes you demonstrate here, you would not have stayed in my office very long. Nor would you have been given the chance to visit it again…ever.
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excuse me? I follow the position of 2 bishops and you would evict me? my language and attitudes are based on seeing too many people treated differently by the clergy just because of who they were.
 
upant said:
his opinion at this time, is worth the same as the other 2 bishops.
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If that is your actual thought, you don’t understand the most rudimentary concepts of ecclesiology.

Indeed it leaves me questioning whether you are actually Catholic.
 
AlNg said:
Check out Father Robert Drinan, S.J.
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There is a name I have not heard for a long time. God rest his soul. We had dinner together, many years ago. Bob has been gone now 10…almost 15 years, if I am not mistaken.
 
Why are you being so argumentative with a priest? Catholics should know that the word of the priest is to be taken as more important than their own opinions. I am shocked at the disrespect you are showing.
 
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