The task force may offer advice, but it will not change canon law. That said, I do not look for anything extraordinarily different from any such task force. I know what the minority of bishops believe, but even they have not suggested that they somehow have authority over another bishop.He spoke it now before anyone could force his hand
He knows there is a task force working on the issue
You ignore the issue of the thread. Who in the GOP has been denied communion as Biden has or should be for the same reason.You keep acting as if I have not repeatedly explained that.
Which Catholic GOP politicians have presented themselves for communion causing a public scandal. I don’t know of any.Why is it that we routinely have these calls to punish Catholic Dems, but Catholic Republicans get a pass?
From what I understand the intent was a unified front and not what we now have, a divided group causing more scandal.I know what the minority of bishops believe, but even they have not suggested that they somehow have authority over another bishop.
It has become obvious that you are not discussing this in good faith. Do you even read my posts? If it helps you to pretend that GOP politicians follow Catholic doctrine (which is manifestly untrue), and you are OK with the hypocrisy of publicly bashing those of one party while turning a blind eye to the problems in the other, then I guess I will be unable to dissuade you.Which Catholic GOP politicians have presented themselves for communion causing a public scandal. I don’t know of any.
Please enlighten me if you do but stop muddying the waters with vague references to Catholic teaching. Biden will expand intrinsic evils, he has already guaranteed it. The first being the Mexico City policy
a mirror comes to mind…It has become obvious that you are not discussing this in good faith
I named at least three issues on which every (or virtually every) GOP politician consistently fights against Church teaching. You have not denied that fact because you can’t do so with a straight face. If thinking its OK to condone that behavior while only condemning politicians that don’t match your politics helps you, welcome to it. But those that put politics above religion are not fooling anyone.I named 2 pro-choice GOP people and neither as far as I know have presented themselves publically for communion. you keep ignoring that and claim I don’t acknowledge the GOP who support this intrinsic evil. who isn’t reading?
I don’t think you know of any,
just admit it and move on
You used the future tense.how many more when Biden codifies abortion into law and pays for it
because I am discussing future events not a past or current actionYou used the future tense.
and which politician that supports these positions publicly present themselves for communion?I named at least three issues on which every (or virtually every) GOP politician consistently fights against Church teaching.
aren’t you doing exactly this by overlooking Biden’s scandal? he has been denied communion. do you really think the denial was political?But those that put politics above religion are not fooling anyone.
most people don’t need a Magic 8 ball, we just listen to what he says he will do and take him at his wordI will have to leave that part for you. My knowledge of the future is iffy since I dropped my Magic 8 Ball.
Yes. I think there is no doubt of that given the facts that I have described on this thread. The fact that I will not sink to the same personal calumny that I am complaining of does not rescue your too cute argument.aren’t you doing exactly this by overlooking Biden’s scandal? he has been denied communion. do you really think the denial was political?
are you claiming the diocese that had an order to deny communion to any politician that supported abortion only had this policy for political reasons?Yes. I think there is no doubt of that given the facts that I have described on this thread.
I don’t have your facility of peering into people’s souls. But I do know what the Church teaches and does not teach. Biden’s policies are manifestly against Church teaching in some areas. The same is true of every GOP politician, but that is ignored.are you claiming the diocese that had an order to deny communion to any politician that supported abortion only had this policy for political reasons?
are AB Chaput and Cardinal Burke only playing politics?
why get personal? I showed you what the bishops said, Am I wrong to listen to what they say? are these bishops wrong? I think these bishops also know church teaching and their jobs. intrinsic evils aren’t just some areas, abortion is the preeminent issue.I don’t have your facility of peering into people’s souls. But I do know what the Church teaches and does not teach. Biden’s policies are manifestly against Church teaching in some areas.
it is not the same issue. what you ignore is that Biden campaigned on being pro-Roe and being a Catholic, which no GOP politician did. Biden was denied communion, has any GOP politician been publicly denied? some in the clergy have said Biden should not approach to receive, has this been said of any GOP politician?The same is true of every GOP politician, but that is ignored.
Biden “is not a Catholic in good standing and he should not approach to receive Holy Communion,” Cardinal Burke said
he is being held to that standard by some in the clergy, not me. show me where a priest denied someone else. I believe he is being held to this standard based on his pledge to expand abortion, but that is my opinion and the bishops may have more reasonswhy don’t you simply tell us why you think that Biden should be held to that standard, but not other politicians?
I didn’t start the thread, I addressed the worthiness to receive, Biden just happened to be the thread issue. you claim there are GOP in the same boat. I just want to know who. you haven’t said yet. you just want to change the topic to include all teaching. okay, so who has the clergy denied in the GOP for all teachings?What motivates you to make a public hue and cry over this one particular politician, while turning a blind eye to those more to your political liking?
I have not defended Biden once on this thread. In fact, I have said that his policies are not consistent with Church teaching. What I have done consistently is to call out the hypocrisy of only applying that kind of public condemnation to one party’s politicians and not the other. You have responded by pretending that you are unaware of the many manifest departures from Church teachings on the GOP side (and also pretending that abortion is the only teaching with relevance to this discussion, when that is also manifestly false). Given that you clearly have no intention of having a good faith discussion about that, this is really a waste of both our time.why do you defend Biden, so vigorously?
no, you are covering for Biden’s actions which 2 bishops said is wrong. they didn’t call anyone else out but Biden.What I have done consistently is to call out the hypocrisy of only applying that kind of public condemnation to one party’s politicians and not the other.
that is untrue, I singled out 2 GOP for being pro-choice, so don’t tell me I am unaware. I am only unaware of a GOP politician who has been denied communion by presenting themself. do you know of any? you haven’t answered yet.You have responded by pretending that you are unaware of the many manifest departures from Church teachings on the GOP side
who isn’t acting in good faith? you whitewash Biden’s support for intrinsic evils by claiming things that politicians aren’t arguing over. the clergy is still arguing over the death penalty. SSM and contraception weren’t campaign issues so we don’t really know what the Catholics on either side favor. you refuse to argue apples with apples, you want to broaden the list of errors to include everything, so no one is eligible, just to protect BidenGiven that you clearly have no intention of having a good faith discussion about that, this is really a waste of both our time.
This is all nonsense, and I suspect you know that. You are deliberately misconstruing my statements; and in some cases attributing to me the opposite of what I am actually saying. I realize that is in part to bait me, and I am struggling with composing a charitable response, so I won’t respond further.who isn’t acting in good faith? you whitewash Biden’s support for intrinsic evils by claiming things that politicians aren’t arguing over. the clergy is still arguing over the death penalty. SSM and contraception weren’t campaign issues so we don’t really know what the Catholics on either side favor. you refuse to argue apples with apples, you want to broaden the list of errors to include everything, so no one is eligible, just to protect Biden
Seems you can only see politics, salvation is the issueThis is all nonsense,