Are naked and/or bikini shots of women a sin

[Hopey]

What filtering device is there for an iphone? Does he need to be aware that it is on there?

Safe Eyes works for computer (good if you have young kids) and also for devices like iPhone. I would tell him. I would say I am concerned about the possibility of you viewing women and it would make me feel better/safer if we used Safe Eyes. (Now, a true addict will try and throw it back on you - What? you don’t trust me?! Don’t cave or come back here for support. Say what you want, why you want it and ask him if he would do it for you and your marriage. That way it will cut out the need to snoop.)

 

[Hopey]

By his reply, you should know something. If he wants to do it, then that is good.

 

[Hopey]

internetsafety.com/safe-eyes-mobile-iphone.php

Just know the Covenant Eyes that are suggested by some of these do not filter but send a list, designated by user, to someone for accountability. You could try that route and at the end of the month sit down and you both look at each others habits.

 

[Hopey]

covenanteyes.com/
For comparison.

 

[Hopey]

You have my prayers for you and your marriage.
I live with a full blown addict tho. I wish no one to go through that. No one.
And addicts lie. that is their nature.
I hope this isn’t what you are facing and maybe something else.

 

[justamon]

Safe Eyes is not available in the US for the iphone. Any other suggestions?

 

[CatholicRaven]

I know what you mean that she may not be pleased that you “snooped” through his phone, but I honestly don’t think spouses CAN “snoop” with regards to each other’s behavior. IMHO, that information should be always accessible to one’s spouse. When we marry, the two become one… not just two people with individual lives who share a living space and a last name.

I randomly go through my husband’s phone for pictures of our kids that I don’t already have, to look up a contact that isn’t in my phone list (such as his co-workers), or even to check a text for information that I sent him (since I delete mine a lot more often than he does his). And he sometimes does the same kinds of things with my phone, without any issues. We share passwords, we leave our phones accessible to the other (though “locked” because we have toddlers), and we’re fine with each other checking messages, emails, texts, or search history. If we were just roommates, certainly it would be different.

Even if one thinks spouses should have that kind of privacy from each other, I still think “snooping” would be a much smaller issue than being held accountable for past porn use or adultery. It’s one thing to have a hard time trusting someone (especially if they broke your trust in the past)… it’s another to knowingly violate your spouse’s trust.

Especially if there have been trust issues in the past, there should be a high level of accountability and openness so that there is less temptation to “hide” things from the other.

As for the rest, I would be sure to mention that the porn use has been a serious problem in the past (not just that it was “an issue”), that it was an addiction, and that you are not okay with it (be clear that it’s not just that it makes you feel insecure or inadequate, but that you feel this is a violation of trust and intimacy). If it affected (or currently affects) other parts of his life besides your marriage (financial, work, time with family, etc.), then be sure to mention those things, too, so that she truly understands that it’s been a serious problem.

That said, if she doesn’t seem to take your feelings or your religion seriously enough in counseling, I’d recommend working to find a Christian counselor instead–or at the very least, one who has dealt with porn addicts before and who doesn’t advise porn as a way to “spice up” your sex life.

Will pray for you.

 

[Cackles]

That’s the least of my worries because he says all guys do it! My question is this: Is it a sin for him to go on these sites specifically to look at these girls?

In my opinion (and many others), ‘kosher’ porn is not a sin (no sodomy, performers cant be married).

Men admiring bodies of the opposite sex isnt lust - its just appreciating Gods creation and using our gifts that God gave us.

And lust isnt commiting adultry. Its like it. But its not the real thing. Lust however breaks the 10th commandment.

Lust is when you desire someone else in real life when you or the other person is married. This is what happens in the WORKPLACE. Men here know what I’m talking about. This is when you will sin ans suffer curses.

Men looking at other women is a positive thing in men in my opinion. Especially younger men. It shows their vigorous and normal. If I was a woman I’d never date a gay that wasnt attracted to women.

As far as the porn, it becomes a sin if it bothers the wife and disrupts the household. The wife has an ability to create custom sins so to speak. This comes from her natural holiness and this is from very old Jewish teachings. Basically husbands have obligations to their wife and marriage, except, the woman is able to chose what to put her foot down on. If the man ignores this, then he is failing at head of the house.

If you dont like the porn for real, then he has to stop. He has to get rid of the DVD’s as they are not kosher material in the house. It doesnt matter what he thinks. This is why as kids we’d find magazines in the forest and such. Men didnt want to bring them in the house. If the DVD’s have sodomy then they are no different than a ouji board being in the house. Get rid of them.

Even until this day, you can go to a muslim wedding in the middle east, and here you’ll have women with hijabs, then them a singer dressed half naked infront of everyone. The skin is like a treat for them. If the husband is good the women will allow it or wont mind. It’s natural in my opinion. Porn is much more iffy.

Or it could be that theres other issues in the marriage and he’s not allowed to have a ‘pass’ to look at the girls. But overall from the sounds of it, it seems that your playing an untraditional role as a woman in the marriage and i assure you the man will close himself off and rebel. I’m not a fan of councelling at all or anything new age.

 

[justamon]

In my opinion (and many others), ‘kosher’ porn is not a sin (no sodomy, performers cant be married).

Men admiring bodies of the opposite sex isnt lust - its just appreciating Gods creation and using our gifts that God gave us.

And lust isnt commiting adultry. Its like it. But its not the real thing. Lust however breaks the 10th commandment.

Lust is when you desire someone else in real life when you or the other person is married. This is what happens in the WORKPLACE. Men here know what I’m talking about. This is when you will sin ans suffer curses.

Men looking at other women is a positive thing in men in my opinion. Especially younger men. It shows their vigorous and normal. If I was a woman I’d never date a gay that wasnt attracted to women.

As far as the porn, it becomes a sin if it bothers the wife and disrupts the household. The wife has an ability to create custom sins so to speak. This comes from her natural holiness and this is from very old Jewish teachings. Basically husbands have obligations to their wife and marriage, except, the woman is able to chose what to put her foot down on. If the man ignores this, then he is failing at head of the house.

If you dont like the porn for real, then he has to stop. He has to get rid of the DVD’s as they are not kosher material in the house. It doesnt matter what he thinks. This is why as kids we’d find magazines in the forest and such. Men didnt want to bring them in the house. If the DVD’s have sodomy then they are no different than a ouji board being in the house. Get rid of them.

Even until this day, you can go to a muslim wedding in the middle east, and here you’ll have women with hijabs, then them a singer dressed half naked infront of everyone. The skin is like a treat for them. If the husband is good the women will allow it or wont mind. It’s natural in my opinion. Porn is much more iffy.

Or it could be that theres other issues in the marriage and he’s not allowed to have a ‘pass’ to look at the girls. But overall from the sounds of it, it seems that your playing an untraditional role as a woman in the marriage and i assure you the man will close himself off and rebel. I’m not a fan of councelling at all or anything new age.

I have to disagree with you and that it is okay and not lust. You are not clicking on these websites to see what brand her bikini is. You are clicking on it because you can naked women with fake boobs, g strings and rears up in the air. I don’t like when people make excuses for men because they are men.

He does not watch dvds and there are none in the house. I am not even 100% sure he is watching it on his phone. I just feel since we did have the porn problem before, he is at risk of falling there again. He thinks we are not because it isn’t porn and all guys do it!

 

[CatholicRaven]

Cackles,
Matthew 5:27-28.

It’s one thing to notice and admire beauty in other people. It’s a whole different thing to use their beauty for your own pleasure–especially sexual pleasure.

We’re not talking about a man who is glancing at a beautiful woman, appreciating her beauty, and going back to whatever he was doing. We’re not talking about a man who is simply naturally attracted to women. Those things are fine. We’re talking about a man who is seeking out pictures of women who are not simply beautiful, but flaunting their bodies. We’re talking about a man who has, in the past, sought out porn for sexual pleasure.

Lust can be committed whether or not you (or the object of your lust) are married. It’s a focus on the pleasure the other person’s body brings you. You begin to see her as an object for your own pleasure, instead of as a child of God. You might also imagine her in a way that is not respectful of her body or her soul.

If a man is seeking out naked and/or scantily-clad women (whether “in the flesh” or in pictures or videos–or even descriptions in text), then he is using them as objects for his own pleasure and violating his vow to his wife (if he is married)–to honor her and to give himself completely to her. This is true whether or not his wife accepts his porn use as “normal” or “harmless.”

And in case it’s not clear, it’s the same if the roles are reversed.

Self-control has as much to do with keeping one’s heart and mind pure as it is about “not touching.” There’s a whole lot more to sexual intimacy than just physical touch.

Frankly, I think too many men (and women, too) really have no idea just how harmful porn is.

 

[Cackles]

You are clicking on it because you can naked women with fake boobs, g strings and rears up in the air. I don’t like when people make excuses for men because they are men.

Being righteous is relative to your own personal circumstances that only God knows. Today we have porn at our finger tips with a click and a society that says it’s OK as well as probably most mainstream laity. So God knows our challenges and the society around us.

The problem is the original rules on these matters are deemed as anti-women and archaic.

God commands man and woman to become one flesh and multiply. Look at the bright side. How many people these days are doing this at a young age? If you are married, you are fulfilling a commandment from God. Making the marriage work by counselling and trying to solve problems is also something very admirable in today’s world.

What I’m saying is, in today’s world, the fact that he’s only looking at bikini’s and such is a good thing when all is considered. I’m not sure how young he is, but the younger you are, the less God expects from him because after all, this all in relation to his knowledge of right in wrong. In the old days he would have been working with his Dad and explaining to him what is right and wrong. Today things are much different.

I just feel since we did have the porn problem before, he is at risk of falling there again. He thinks we are not because it isn’t porn and all guys do it!

Well I’d say that most guys do watch porn from time to time and the stats actually show this. It’s more likely he’s seeing porn in today’s day and age more than ever. Keep in mind the phones with color screens are literally less than 10 years old compared to all of humanity. There is no more policing.

I’d suggest that porn is not sin as long as the porn is ‘kosher’ and it doesn’t interfere with his family life (meaning she doesn’t know). When he gets older and wiser he’ll cool off. This is temporary.

The thing with the wife is complex. The wife has the power to override almost anything the man does, including even the works for God. An example: A preacher can go out and convert souls all day long. But, if the wife objects to the husband being away from the home doing these things, then all the blessings from the conversions are cancelled because you neglected your home duties first. This is one reason why marriage is often not recommended for priests. The wife has the ability to over ride the needs of the church.

So you’re saying that you don’t like girls on Facebook or porn. While those things might not be a sin, you still have the power to override these actions. But are those actions really causing your household grief? Or is it something else that’s a greater problem?

Counselling is trusting in other people to solve your problems. The marriage and household has rules and roles. Most of these are not discussed in today’s world due to feminism.

But just know that being a woman you are cursed (like men). Part of your curse from God was that you would bear children in pain and want to rule over your husband. Your husband is the head and he needs to take a leadership role and know his responsibilities. For instance, he’s not allowed to say that you are like your mother. He’s not allowed to compliment another woman in front of you. He has to look presentable around the house and vice verse. He can’t be stingy and hold his wife accountable and check receipts and criticize everything they buy. There’s a lot of other stuff too like your husband is not allowed to touch another woman. That includes rubbing shoulders. He’s not allowed to be close enough to another woman that she can feel his breath.

But, he’s the head. If he knew the rules of his role (which includes almost daily religious study), then you would likely not care if he was admiring other women. When I’m doing a bad job as a husband, I notice my wife is more ‘sensitive’ to other girls being around. They parade around half naked in front of men. We’re going to look just like women look. The Muslims tell men to lower their gaze. Meaning, don’t make eye contract. You can check someone out, but don’t get into a back and forth thing and make eye contact.

There’s Jewish and Catholic scripture that I can go into that would be considered very, very anti-woman lol… At one time people might have said that as a woman you have an evil side to you and you have the potential to give life, but also destroy it. What he does as the head matters on how you behave in the marriage. As a woman you have a natural holiness to you that’s another topic though. You don’t actually need the teachings but the man does. When a man has a crisis in life it’s always a crisis of faith. But since you are married, you are one with your husband and will reflect back what he’s giving you. God sees both of you as a family unit. Divorce is not an option. This would be like amputating yourself. Counseling is looking to man for solutions. And actually I think it’s against the rules to tell personal things about your marriage to anyone outside your religious father. I’m not sure on that one.

God made man attracted to other woman and said ‘it was good’. He was pleased with this. Are you saying that you really don’t like the girls to that extent? Or is it something deeper because I promise admiring beauty is a gift from God and not a sin.

So this is why I’m asking if there’s something more. Is he friends with other women? Does he talk to other girls? DOES he have a CO-WORKER at work? Does he play video games all night and not talk to you? Do you hate your in-laws or vice verse? These are all real problems. But honestly pics on computers on facebook are small things. Maybe you guys are just really righteous and you want perfection. (Chasing perfection in your marriage or potential spouse is not allowed because only God can give perfection.)

 

[Hopey]

Being righteous is relative to your own personal circumstances that only God knows. Today we have porn at our finger tips with a click and a society that says it’s OK as well as probably most mainstream laity. So God knows our challenges and the society around us.

The problem is the original rules on these matters are deemed as anti-women and archaic.

God commands man and woman to become one flesh and multiply. Look at the bright side. How many people these days are doing this at a young age? If you are married, you are fulfilling a commandment from God. Making the marriage work by counselling and trying to solve problems is also something very admirable in today’s world.

What I’m saying is, in today’s world, the fact that he’s only looking at bikini’s and such is a good thing when all is considered. I’m not sure how young he is, but the younger you are, the less God expects from him because after all, this all in relation to his knowledge of right in wrong. In the old days he would have been working with his Dad and explaining to him what is right and wrong. Today things are much different.

Well I’d say that most guys do watch porn from time to time and the stats actually show this. It’s more likely he’s seeing porn in today’s day and age more than ever. Keep in mind the phones with color screens are literally less than 10 years old compared to all of humanity. There is no more policing.

I’d suggest that porn is not sin as long as the porn is ‘kosher’ and it doesn’t interfere with his family life (meaning she doesn’t know). When he gets older and wiser he’ll cool off. This is temporary.

The thing with the wife is complex. The wife has the power to override almost anything the man does, including even the works for God. An example: A preacher can go out and convert souls all day long. But, if the wife objects to the husband being away from the home doing these things, then all the blessings from the conversions are cancelled because you neglected your home duties first. This is one reason why marriage is often not recommended for priests. The wife has the ability to over ride the needs of the church.

So you’re saying that you don’t like girls on Facebook or porn. While those things might not be a sin, you still have the power to override these actions. But are those actions really causing your household grief? Or is it something else that’s a greater problem?

Counselling is trusting in other people to solve your problems. The marriage and household has rules and roles. Most of these are not discussed in today’s world due to feminism.

But just know that being a woman you are cursed (like men). Part of your curse from God was that you would bear children in pain and want to rule over your husband. Your husband is the head and he needs to take a leadership role and know his responsibilities. For instance, he’s not allowed to say that you are like your mother. He’s not allowed to compliment another woman in front of you. He has to look presentable around the house and vice verse. He can’t be stingy and hold his wife accountable and check receipts and criticize everything they buy. There’s a lot of other stuff too like your husband is not allowed to touch another woman. That includes rubbing shoulders. He’s not allowed to be close enough to another woman that she can feel his breath.

But, he’s the head. If he knew the rules of his role (which includes almost daily religious study), then you would likely not care if he was admiring other women. When I’m doing a bad job as a husband, I notice my wife is more ‘sensitive’ to other girls being around. They parade around half naked in front of men. We’re going to look just like women look. The Muslims tell men to lower their gaze. Meaning, don’t make eye contract. You can check someone out, but don’t get into a back and forth thing and make eye contact.

There’s Jewish and Catholic scripture that I can go into that would be considered very, very anti-woman lol… At one time people might have said that as a woman you have an evil side to you and you have the potential to give life, but also destroy it. What he does as the head matters on how you behave in the marriage. As a woman you have a natural holiness to you that’s another topic though. You don’t actually need the teachings but the man does. When a man has a crisis in life it’s always a crisis of faith. But since you are married, you are one with your husband and will reflect back what he’s giving you. God sees both of you as a family unit. Divorce is not an option. This would be like amputating yourself. Counseling is looking to man for solutions. And actually I think it’s against the rules to tell personal things about your marriage to anyone outside your religious father. I’m not sure on that one.

God made man attracted to other woman and said ‘it was good’. He was pleased with this. Are you saying that you really don’t like the girls to that extent? Or is it something deeper because I promise admiring beauty is a gift from God and not a sin.

So this is why I’m asking if there’s something more. Is he friends with other women? Does he talk to other girls? DOES he have a CO-WORKER at work? Does he play video games all night and not talk to you? Do you hate your in-laws or vice verse? These are all real problems. But honestly pics on computers on facebook are small things. Maybe you guys are just really righteous and you want perfection. (Chasing perfection in your marriage or potential spouse is not allowed because only God can give perfection.)

Can you back up your views with the current situation young men are finding themselves in regarding porn and what the medical field is saying?
Also, what our Bishops are saying?
It isn’t just looking at women.
It is much deeper.
I look forward to your response with reference to what even the Bishops are saying and recognizing.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

I’d suggest that porn is not sin as long as the porn is ‘kosher’ and it doesn’t interfere with his family life (meaning she doesn’t know).

Nonsense. Who are you justifying – the OP’s husband or yourself?

So you’re saying that you don’t like girls on Facebook or porn. While those things might not be a sin, you still have the power to override these actions. But are those actions really causing your household grief? Or is it something else that’s a greater problem?

Of course there’s a greater problem. While his household is falling apart, the man is busy justifying his “right” to look at hot women and threatening a divorce. Looking at porn is not the worst of his sins.

And actually I think it’s against the rules to tell personal things about your marriage to anyone outside your religious father. I’m not sure on that one.

False. If that were true, then no one could ever get advice from someone other than a priest.

God made man attracted to other woman and said ‘it was good’. He was pleased with this. Are you saying that you really don’t like the girls to that extent? Or is it something deeper because I promise admiring beauty is a gift from God and not a sin.

God didn’t pay women to take off their clothes, and then post them online. And he didn’t say that was good, either.

 

[Cackles]

Cackles,
Matthew5:27-28

And here is the translation direct from the Latin Vulgate itself (Wycliffe Bible):

27 Ye have heard that it was said to old men, Thou shalt not do lechery.
28 But I say to you, that every man that seeth a woman [for] to covet her, hath now done lechery by her in his heart [now he hath done lechery with her in his heart].

Seeth means ‘how you see someone’. It doesn’t mean ‘looketh’ as in I ‘looking’ at her hair…

Coveting is breaking the 10th commandment. ‘Lusting’ is being confused with thinking someone is hot or being turned on. That is something else entirely.

It’s one thing to notice and admire beauty in other people. It’s a whole different thing to use their beauty for your own pleasure–especially sexual pleasure.

When Adam first saw Eve he said a remark that meant ‘finally!’. The Hebrew word is derived from ‘excitement’. He was attracted to her right away. All the other animals were not suitable helpers for Adam.

Adam was attracted to Eve and vice versa. These were the most attractive, healthiest people on earth. God created them after all. The attraction is something that was built into us. God said this was good. He was pleased.

We’re not talking about a man who is glancing at a beautiful woman,appreciating her beauty, and going back to whatever he was doing

Yes we are. Even when factoring in porn.

If you come here saying that your husband is at work and you caught him going to lunch with another woman and didn’t tell you. That is another story. If the porn has sodomy, incest, or bestiality, then that is another story.

We’re not talking about a man who is simply naturally attracted to women. Those things are fine.

I agree.

We’re talking about a man who is seeking out pictures of women who are not simply beautiful, but flaunting their bodies. We’re talking about a man who has, in the past, sought out porn for sexual pleasure.

God created the woman’s body to be sexually attractive to man. God created ‘sex’ things in all of us and said that it was good. Then adultery and coveting another woman. The two things are not related.

Lust can be committed whether or not you (or the object of your lust) are married.

That’s not true. Your allowed to lust if both of you are single. If either is married you can’t ‘lust’. This is why it’s not allowed to watch married people in movies. Or those depicting marriage and especially family stuff. That is not kosher and off the table. Women and women is allowed.

It’s a focus on the pleasure the other person’s body brings you.

The only time this is forbidden is for family members.

You begin to see her as an object for your own pleasure, instead of as a child of God.

You have this new age view of Christianity that puts men and women as equals. I just follow the early teaching. Read 1 Corinthians 11.

You might also imagine her in a way that is not respectful of her body or her soul.

Thanks for uncovering the core problem. We have different versions of Christianity. God made women for mans pleasure. And don’t get me started on early church fathers and other texts’s views on women after the downfall… yikes.

The woman was not made to be respected and worshiped by men. That is called goddess worship, aka early feminism and is outlawed by the church.

Here’s the truth directly from St Paul 1 Corinthians 11. Man was made from God. Woman was made from man (from his rib… fyi: it’s the only bone in the body that grows back). Man was made to serve God, woman was made to serve man. God says this himself that man should not be alone and needs a helper so he created Eve. The woman almost stands outside of religion. She has very little obligations to religion because her role is not to serve God. This is why it’s legal in Islam for a man to marry non Muslims. She has the option however of becoming a bride of God.

This whole men and women equality thing these past 40 years is something very recent to our history. This equality thing that is destroying the world has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Men and women are equal as children under God.

But to say that women are on some pedestal like goddesses and their souls are special and should be worshiped is age old religious feminism and is a heresy in every way. It’s way pro-choice politicians are ex communicated from the church. The women don’t have this sacred right to stand as goddesses before humanity. That is not why women were created. And women are sexual animals but I won’t go into those teachings. This should be stuff that you already know.

If a man is seeking out naked and/or scantily-clad women (whether “in the flesh” or in pictures or videos–or even descriptions in text), then he is using them as objects for his own pleasure and violating his vow to his wife (if he is married)

Not it’s not. It’s the power of this feminist nonsense that is literally destroying society. Just look at the divorce rate.

Self-control has as much to do with keeping one’s heart and mind pure

This is Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age nonsense of the God within. It’s not real Christianity. BTW: Yoga is not allowed. Even Kosher yoga or Catholic yoga is not recommended. Stay away from the inner being stuff. It’s all selfish motivation eastern-ism.

Frankly, I think too many men (and women, too) really have no idea just how harmful porn is

.

It’s not harmful.

This video below will show you the REAL sin of ‘lust’ and what is real harmful. It’s the only video of it’s kind out there that describes the real sin of lust (violation of the 10th commandment):

youtube.com/watch?v=sh4Cue-fCKc

 

[Estevao]

Hey while we’re talking about translations of the Latin Vulgate, let’s try a modern translation by Ronald Knox:

"You have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I tell you that he who casts his eyes on a woman so as to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " - Matthew 5:27-28

newadvent.org/bible/mat005.htm

IMO this is the clearest translation for an English speaker (I don’t speak Latin or Greek, but what I mean is that it’s the translation that made the most sense about what Jesus means here).

So what is at issue is the intent here: when you cast your eye on somebody “so as to lust” after them, that is equivalent to Adultery to our Blessed Lord. I think we can decide what this is with properly formed consciences.

 

[Hopey]

And here is the translation direct from the Latin Vulgate itself (Wycliffe Bible):

Seeth means ‘how you see someone’. It doesn’t mean ‘looketh’ as in I ‘looking’ at her hair…

Coveting is breaking the 10th commandment. ‘Lusting’ is being confused with thinking someone is hot or being turned on. That is something else entirely.

When Adam first saw Eve he said a remark that meant ‘finally!’. The Hebrew word is derived from ‘excitement’. He was attracted to her right away. All the other animals were not suitable helpers for Adam.

Adam was attracted to Eve and vice versa. These were the most attractive, healthiest people on earth. God created them after all. The attraction is something that was built into us. God said this was good. He was pleased.

Yes we are. Even when factoring in porn.

If you come here saying that your husband is at work and you caught him going to lunch with another woman and didn’t tell you. That is another story. If the porn has sodomy, incest, or bestiality, then that is another story.

I agree.

God created the woman’s body to be sexually attractive to man. God created ‘sex’ things in all of us and said that it was good. Then adultery and coveting another woman. The two things are not related.

That’s not true. Your allowed to lust if both of you are single. If either is married you can’t ‘lust’. This is why it’s not allowed to watch married people in movies. Or those depicting marriage and especially family stuff. That is not kosher and off the table. Women and women is allowed.

The only time this is forbidden is for family members.

You have this new age view of Christianity that puts men and women as equals. I just follow the early teaching. Read 1 Corinthians 11.

Thanks for uncovering the core problem. We have different versions of Christianity. God made women for mans pleasure. And don’t get me started on early church fathers and other texts’s views on women after the downfall… yikes.

The woman was not made to be respected and worshiped by men. That is called goddess worship, aka early feminism and is outlawed by the church.

Here’s the truth directly from St Paul 1 Corinthians 11. Man was made from God. Woman was made from man (from his rib… fyi: it’s the only bone in the body that grows back). Man was made to serve God, woman was made to serve man. God says this himself that man should not be alone and needs a helper so he created Eve. The woman almost stands outside of religion. She has very little obligations to religion because her role is not to serve God. This is why it’s legal in Islam for a man to marry non Muslims. She has the option however of becoming a bride of God.

This whole men and women equality thing these past 40 years is something very recent to our history. This equality thing that is destroying the world has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity. Men and women are equal as children under God.

But to say that women are on some pedestal like goddesses and their souls are special and should be worshiped is age old religious feminism and is a heresy in every way. It’s way pro-choice politicians are ex communicated from the church. The women don’t have this sacred right to stand as goddesses before humanity. That is not why women were created. And women are sexual animals but I won’t go into those teachings. This should be stuff that you already know.

Not it’s not. It’s the power of this feminist nonsense that is literally destroying society. Just look at the divorce rate.

This is Hinduism, Buddhism, New Age nonsense of the God within. It’s not real Christianity. BTW: Yoga is not allowed. Even Kosher yoga or Catholic yoga is not recommended. Stay away from the inner being stuff. It’s all selfish motivation eastern-ism.

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It’s not harmful.

This video below will show you the REAL sin of ‘lust’ and what is real harmful. It’s the only video of it’s kind out there that describes the real sin of lust (violation of the 10th commandment):

youtube.com/watch?v=sh4Cue-fCKc

That is about the worst advice I have seen anyone give under the guise of Christianity. We, women, were not meant for your pleasure. What you say totally betrays the evidence they have as to the addictive nature of porn and why the cycle is so hard to break. There is no such thing as kosher porn. Porn is porn. You are using someone for your lustful purposes and it is sickening. It is part of why we have child/women trafficking. We are “used” to satisfy others “lusts” but it is deemed ok if kosher? Give me a break.

The porn industry knows how men work. They see them as a money. The more they can get them hooked, the better.

The medical industry is finally getting on board with the ED problem and the link behind it.

You can take your advice and give it to someone else as it aint flying here. That is garbage. I am living proof as to the devastation that “kosher” porn can and does have on a family.

I am glad our Bishops are finally listening.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

Hey while we’re talking about translations of the Latin Vulgate, let’s try a modern translation by Ronald Knox:

"You have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I tell you that he who casts his eyes on a woman so as to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " - Matthew 5:27-28

newadvent.org/bible/mat005.htm

IMO this is the clearest translation for an English speaker (I don’t speak Latin or Greek, but what I mean is that it’s the translation that made the most sense about what Jesus means here).

So what is at issue is the intent here: when you cast your eye on somebody “so as to lust” after them, that is equivalent to Adultery to our Blessed Lord. I think we can decide what this is with properly formed consciences.

I speak Greek, and this is exactly what the passage means. It says it is adultery to “look at a woman with the intention of lusting after her”.

 

[Prodigal_Son]

If the porn has sodomy, incest, or bestiality, then that is another story.

Given a proper definition of “sodomy”, pretty much all the porn out there involves sodomy.

 

[Cackles]

Hey while we’re talking about translations of the Latin Vulgate, let’s try a modern translation by Ronald Knox:

"You have heard that it was said, Thou shalt not commit adultery. But I tell you that he who casts his eyes on a woman so as to lust after her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. " - Matthew 5:27-28

newadvent.org/bible/mat005.htm

IMO this is the clearest translation for an English speaker (I don’t speak Latin or Greek, but what I mean is that it’s the translation that made the most sense about what Jesus means here).

So what is at issue is the intent here: when you cast your eye on somebody “so as to lust” after them, that is equivalent to Adultery to our Blessed Lord. I think we can decide what this is with properly formed consciences.

The Wycliffe bible is the first English translation translation of the Latin Vulgate which is the most occurate version of the Bible available in my opinion.

There was no ‘lust’ word back then. We take a hollywood trash view od the word lust and think of instant diety things. Also seeth means ‘sees a person as’. Not ‘to look’.

It’s this feminist, evangelical bastardization of scripture that I hate.

Guys. Think about what you are saying. You guys are seriosuly saying that Jesus claimed if we look at another woman and are turned on or attracted we commited adultry which is grounds for divorce and a serious eternal sin. Come on. That is impossible because God gave us these appitties and said that it was good. He was pleased with his creation.

Jesus said to the married man, that if he started to view another woman with longing, craving, desire (lust is not a good word just like ‘slave’ is not a good word for ‘bond servant’), then he might as well be commiting aduletey in his heart. But he is correct in that while it is not adultery, it is still a sin of the 10th commandment.

I cant remember when I last saw a porn or girl i like. But one thing I do know is that i have no clue how she looks like and cant remember her. Why? Because i did not covet them.

But do you know why Jesus said all this? Because the 10 commandments claim you can not covet someone elses wife. Fine. But suppose you are married, and the woman is single? Does this mean you get a free pass? Well it does if you get temporarily married to her and use various loopholes to not actually commiting aduletey. Theres all sorts of things you can do with another woman. Plus people were using other loopholes to go outside the city to see prostitues and still keep kosher using city bounderies.

What Jesus did was close the loophole. He was a high ranking Rabbi that had the authority to interpret scripture. A lot of the Jewish laws today are from Jesus because he’s the only real rabbinical reference of the time. Jesus said the stoning line, and it got banned.

Jesus basically cut off the coveting of another women REGARDLESS if she was married or not because the 10th commandment explicity mentions that fact. He closed a loophole. Now loopholes are not possible (although in islam they still are). You cant covent any woman if your married - even if she’s single. You not allowed to even be alone with her (as the video above says at the end). Coveting another woman IS allowed if both are single (obviously).

Both coveting another woman while married and commiting adultery are sins that you will be punished for. Adultery is way worse. Coveting you’ll be punished here on earth. You’ll spend years thinking about that single mom at the office. You’ll be bbq’ing on the weekend with family and kids and that torment of your list for her will tortue you. She’ll be on your mind all day and night… For years to come. Years after she’ll pop in your mind and haunt you. This my friends is real lust and coveting.

So to compare this serious stuff with looking at a girl or even (kosher) porn is silly in my opinion. It’s crazy to think people actually believe that looking at another attractive person and using Gods creation is sinful. That is the oldest church heresy i think. The people who became gnostics and went to egypt or something… Then feminism broke in quick and women started to see virginity as a blessing and sex evil. Very early heresies and cults.

 

[Cackles]

Given a proper definition of “sodomy”, pretty much all the porn out there involves sodomy.

By Sodomy i mean the A word. There is no real definition actually but it means that single act wether gay or straight. The reason why is because you have free will to use Gods intended gifts or abuse them. God created you and hates it when you defile his creation. So for instance, if he gave you a body part meant for a certain function, and you turn around and use it for something else, then you’ll suffer the consequences because you defiled Gods creation.

There’s also a ‘wasting seed’ thing that is debatable or only applies to priests. I’ve never had an ex or known a woman that was into wasting seed. They all think it’s gross and so do I. So maybe theres a natural truth there. However, most schollars agree that it’s ok to waste seed.

Anyhow the porn has to be kosher and not break rules. That is the middle ground that needs to be reached. The boys can be boys, and the women can have their… And theres nothing wrong with any of this. God gives us all these things to enjoy and use responsibly. I’m so tempted to talk about womens doctrine but it’s way too much for most people in the modern Church to handle.

Going into some feminist women rights thing is completely opposite to Gods creation and how things really work. Everyone wants to raise their fist and claim women as victims and paint men as enemies. Women are sexual creatures. They were created for the happiness of men. All the other animals were created in pairs. But Adam was kept alone on purpose so he could feel how it was feeling alone. When Eve was created he was complete. But wait. If he was just created and had no worldly experience, then he would be thirsty, hungry, and… Well… He is the most healthiest man ever created do he would have been very vigorus. They were naked without shame. The rabbi’s say that they wasted no time and had relations within 6 hours (due to the Hebrew phrasing with the number 6). This was BEFORE the fall of man so the sexual urges and relief was bult into us humans. God saw that it was good. Man was made for God in his image and he said that it was Good. Eve was made for man. But he never said it was good. Nor did he make her in Gods image. Eve was tricked by the serpant and Adam didnt understand his role over the woman.

When we get married we become one flesh in Gods eyes. We are all comanded to be fruitful and multiply. The man is obligated to marry and have children, yet the woman is not because there is a surpluss of women in the world and in different times in history it was a huge surplus. God knows this. Most women are meant to be married. Others are destined for other things like singers, actresses, bikini’s, porn, etc. it’s always been this way. Women are a special creation. Men though are good. All of them. But they need to understand their faith and doctrine. They need to know the rules of whats allowed and what’s not.