Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

[Rolltide]

Jimmy the more topics you make the more you seem to come across as a Protestant-Hater, but hey, thats the new fad I think, so good luck with that.

Well, it depends. I do not think a Protestant goes to hell for being one, I also don’t believe anyone goes to hell for being a certain religious group, I think they go to hell for going against Christ on purpose. If I sin, thats bad, but if I sin on purpose, then thats really bad.

I think it all depends on what you believe and how your relationship with Christ is, not on your church affiliation.

This opinion is actually not that far from the Catholic position.

1. You are correct. You do not go to hell just because you are a Protestant (or even a non-Christian). Many Protestants are likely saved because although they are ignorant of the fullness of the Catholic faith, they still attempt to follow God to the best of their ability despite the limitations they have in their knowledge of Christianity. They cannot be held responsible for their lack of knowledge.

Where we differ is in believing that those who know the truth of the Catholic faith, and abandon it, are likely condemning themselves with their actions. (For example, the original, first generation of Protestants that left the Catholic Church.) We also believe that because we have preserved the full truth of Christianity, that Catholics will likely have an easier time getting to heaven, because they are not misled by any doctrinal errors.

1. We agree that you can go to hell for going against Christ on purpose (and committing a mortal sin). This includes many people of ALL faiths, including Catholics. All the Catholic Church promises are the instructions on how to get to heaven. We can’t make you follow them, any more than any denomination can.

So, on two out of three points, we are in agreement.

 

[ChristianKnight]

This opinion is actually not that far from the Catholic position.

1. You are correct. You do not go to hell just because you are a Protestant (or even a non-Christian). Many Protestants are likely saved because although they are ignorant of the fullness of the Catholic faith, they still attempt to follow God to the best of their ability despite the limitations they have in their knowledge of Christianity. They cannot be held responsible for their lack of knowledge.

Where we differ is in believing that those who know the truth of the Catholic faith, and abandon it, are likely condemning themselves with their actions. (For example, the original, first generation of Protestants that left the Catholic Church.) We also believe that because we have preserved the full truth of Christianity, that Catholics will likely have an easier time getting to heaven, because they are not misled by any doctrinal errors.

1. We agree that you can go to hell for going against Christ on purpose (and committing a mortal sin). This includes many people of ALL faiths, including Catholics. All the Catholic Church promises are the instructions on how to get to heaven. We can’t make you follow them, any more than any denomination can.

So, on two out of three points, we are in agreement.

lol hardly much an agreement. I am much better off, I believe, to be on my own with my bible, than joining any Church that tells me what to do.

 

[Rolltide]

lol hardly much an agreement. I am much better off, I believe, to be on my own with my bible, than joining any Church that tells me what to do.

Let me ask you this…

What did people do for the first 400 years of Christianity, before the Bible was compiled? How did they figure out what to believe?

 

[Strevel]

Don, I appreciate the decent way that you told me how you felt. I don’t think catholics are right all the time, but I certainly don’t think they are wrong all the time either. It makes no sense, and it causes nothing but division for either of us to accuse the other of such.

The funny thing is, I think we are a bit misguided too because we have lost a lot from the early church. Wait a minute, Don. Did we just agree to disagree in an amicable way?

Yep, I think we sure did.

In Math I learned about what is called a “Union Set.” We have one group canlled “A”/ Another group called “B”. Where they overlap they have something in common. It is the same in social relationships and communication. In that inside communcation we find areas of agreement and grow outward from there in mutual appreciation and understandinmg we grow as Christians. I am a convert to the Catholic faith.
I worked in organised labor for years. We must understand the other persons views without giving up our own to do our own job well. I love Jesus Christ as I know you do. We just have to get you into Catechism, (schooling to understand Catholicism for converts). hahahahaha.

God bless us all, Pax Vobiscum

 

[wisdomseeker]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

i thought that Jesus said this. “the blind leading the blind, they both would fall into the pit”. there you go.

Peace.

 

[reteeks21]

Yep, I think we sure did.

In Math I learned about what is called a “Union Set.” We have one group canlled “A”/ Another group called “B”. Where they overlap they have something in common. It is the same in social relationships and communication. In that inside communcation we find areas of agreement and grow outward from there in mutual appreciation and understandinmg we grow as Christians. I am a convert to the Catholic faith.
I worked in organised labor for years. We must understand the other persons views without giving up our own to do our own job well. I love Jesus Christ as I know you do. We just have to get you into Catechism, (schooling to understand Catholicism for converts). hahahahaha.

God bless us all, Pax Vobiscum

Ahhhh! Now I see what you’re up to! No wonder we’re agreeing.

 

[Peter_J]

… Protestant-Hater, but hey, that’s the new fad I think …

Well something like that. (Perhaps “wanna-be new” rather than “new”.)

What bothers me is not so much threads like this, with their shall-we-say “aggressive” statements about Protestant (or about Catholics, as the case may be); what really bothers me, is when dialogue-oriented threads are “hijacked” by attack-posts.

Free speach is fine, but it should also apply to those of us (Catholics and Protestants alike) who are looking for meaningful, charitable dialogue that’s not constantly disrupted by mud-slinging.

 

[Marsha_Adams]

i thought that Jesus said this. “the blind leading the blind, they both would fall into the pit”. there you go.

Peace.

Well said, and truly spoken!!

The reason that they fall into the pit is that they can’t see where they are going. The Teaching Authority of the Church allows us to see and follow the Truth, (the Holy Spirit leads the Church to all Truth and of course, Jesus is the Truth). Anyone without the Teaching Authority of the Church is blind to the truth and the blind leading the blind they both fall into the pit.

There are between 26,000 and 33, 000 different Protestant sects all claiming to be the One True Church and all believing different things, surely the perfect example of the blind leading the blind.

**Remember John 9:

39Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind.”

40Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this and asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

41Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.**

Perhaps this text also applies to the Protestants who believe that they can read and interpret the Bible for themselves. And yet it was reading and interpreting the Bible themselves which resulting in thousands and thousands of “true” denominations. Again, the blind leading the blind.

What is sad is the number of Catholics that blindly follow them into the pit.

 

[notself]

Well said, and truly spoken!!

Perhaps this text also applies to the Protestants who believe that they can read and interpret the Bible for themselves. And yet it was reading and interpreting the Bible themselves which resulting in thousands and thousands of “true” denominations. Again, the blind leading the blind.

What is sad is the number of Catholics that blindly follow them into the pit.

This pit you speak about must be filled with devout sincere people who make effort to lead good spiritual lives. It doesn’t seem like such a bad place to be.

 

[Jimmy_B]

This pit you speak about must be filled with devout sincere people who make effort to lead good spiritual lives. It doesn’t seem like such a bad place to be.

Hello notself,

Doesn’t being “devout” mean, recognizing and accepting the truth… God’s truth?

Because the flip-side, would mean that one was rejecting God’s truth and thereby rejecting God…right?

Your thoughts?

 

[Strevel]

This opinion is actually not that far from the Catholic position.

1. You are correct. You do not go to hell just because you are a Protestant (or even a non-Christian). Many Protestants are likely saved because although they are ignorant of the fullness of the Catholic faith, they still attempt to follow God to the best of their ability despite the limitations they have in their knowledge of Christianity. They cannot be held responsible for their lack of knowledge.

Where we differ is in believing that those who know the truth of the Catholic faith, and abandon it, are likely condemning themselves with their actions. (For example, the original, first generation of Protestants that left the Catholic Church.) We also believe that because we have preserved the full truth of Christianity, that Catholics will likely have an easier time getting to heaven, because they are not misled by any doctrinal errors.

1. We agree that you can go to hell for going against Christ on purpose (and committing a mortal sin). This includes many people of ALL faiths, including Catholics. All the Catholic Church promises are the instructions on how to get to heaven. We can’t make you follow them, any more than any denomination can.

So, on two out of three points, we are in agreement.

I believe in the Catholic Church. I also know that hell will be full of people of all faiths that do not understand nor practice their faith in Jesus Christ. He loves us and is far more understanding than humans are. There will be Protestants and Popes in Hell. There will also be Protestants and Popes (and a whole buncha good Catholics in Heaven as well.
I was not born Catholic. I am a convert from the Mormon faith. Just one of an ever increasing number. I would rather be Catholic by accident than any other faith on purpose.

Don in Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaas Vegas.

 

[ChristianKnight]

Well something like that. (Perhaps “wanna-be new” rather than “new”.)

What bothers me is not so much threads like this, with their shall-we-say “aggressive” statements about Protestant (or about Catholics, as the case may be); what really bothers me, is when dialogue-oriented threads are “hijacked” by attack-posts.

Free speach is fine, but it should also apply to those of us (Catholics and Protestants alike) who are looking for meaningful, charitable dialogue that’s not constantly disrupted by mud-slinging.

So are you saying I am attacking him or he is attacking me or someone is attacking someone?

Let me ask you this…

What did people do for the first 400 years of Christianity, before the Bible was compiled? How did they figure out what to believe?

Probably were taught by Oral tradition of the Bible. At least, thats what I’d think. I mean most religious things before paper or didn’t have paper was Oral Tradition. Like Vikings passed down stories of Odin and Thor, the Africans passed down religious stories by Oral tradition, some still do.

 

[Hisalone]

Hello notself,

Doesn’t being “devout” mean, recognizing and accepting the truth… God’s truth?

Because the flip-side, would mean that one was rejecting God’s truth and thereby rejecting God…right?

Your thoughts?

Can you not say a devout Muslim

 

[Peter_J]

So are you saying I am attacking him or he is attacking me or someone is attacking someone?

I’m not really sure what you mean. Here’s what I said:

What bothers me is not so much threads like this, with their shall-we-say “aggressive” statements about Protestant (or about Catholics, as the case may be); what really bothers me, is when dialogue-oriented threads are “hijacked” by attack-posts.

Free speach is fine, but it should also apply to those of us (Catholics and Protestants alike) who are looking for meaningful, charitable dialogue that’s not constantly disrupted by mud-slinging.

I’m not really a fan of this thread, but at least the title (“Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?”) gives people a pretty good idea of what to expect. It could be argued that anyone who’s offended by this thread, just shouldn’t be reading it in the first place.

On the other hand, if there were a thread going on for amicable theological dialogue between Catholics and Protestants, and someone started putting “Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?” type posts in that thread … well let’s just say I wouldn’t be too happy about that kind of “hijacking”.

I hope I’m making sense here.

 

[notself]

Hello notself,

Doesn’t being “devout” mean, recognizing and accepting the truth… God’s truth?

Because the flip-side, would mean that one was rejecting God’s truth and thereby rejecting God…right?

Your thoughts?

Based on the title of the thread, the Catholic who left the Church would have done so believing the Protestant faith was God’s truth and the Catholic Church was in error. Why else would a former Catholic devoutly follow another belief?

That is the logic problem with the thought that someone leaving the Church for another faith is going into a pit. It assumes that the good faith effort to follow “God’s truth” will be condemned by God.

 

[sambos671]

I haven’t read this thread. But based on the Thread question I will reply using just myself as a point of referrance. If I had remained a Catholic as Un-or not properly-Cathichized; I would have been in more danger of “going to Hell.” Because to receive the sacraments in a state of sin (which I had done) is further condemnation of myself. Protestants go a long way with little. Assuming Catholics are correct about the Sacraments the protestants lack that grace and rely soley on scripture. Protestants (from a Catholic view) miss out on the Graces given in Sacred Tradition, Sacraments, Liturgy, some of the Bible (66 vs 73) etc. Even though they miss out on all these things, they still perform the heart of the Law. They feed the poor, take care of the sick, visit people in Jail, but most importantly develop a desire to love Jesus and to serve him with all their heart with only the grace of Sacred Scripture. It is clear by their deeds that there are areas in their lives which the Holy Spirit leads. They also have spread the Gospels to many nations and furthered Christianity. Had it not been for the Protestants I would have lived in my sin. I would have been ignorant of Scriptures like many other catholics thinking falsely that as long as I made it to confession on my death bed I would be alright (sin of presumption which many catholics are guilty of). Having been a protestant and relying on scripture alone I was able to overcome so many of my short comings and became what God wanted for me all along as a catholic. Protestants also have not made me stop looking at the church for truth but have enhanced it for now I am not content with being carnal and I have much more training in scriptures than I would have sought out as a Catholic. So since this is my journey of faith and God has kept me from the evil person I might have been and is leading me into salvation and possibly back to Rome I would say no. God would have saved me even as a protestant. Tertullian was excluded from fellowship for becoming a Montanist. Yet the church still views and prints his writings? Is he in Hell? I think the church will not judge on this matter. But its possible he’s in heaven. And if that is the case for him why not protestants?

 

[Peter_J]

I haven’t read this thread. But based on the Thread question I will reply using just myself as a point of referrance. If I had remained a Catholic as Un-or not properly-Cathichized; I would have been in more danger of “going to Hell.” Because to receive the sacraments in a state of sin (which I had done) is further condemnation of myself. Protestants go a long way with little. Assuming Catholics are correct about the Sacraments the protestants lack that grace and rely soley on scripture. Protestants (from a Catholic view) miss out on the Graces given in Sacred Tradition, Sacraments, Liturgy, some of the Bible (66 vs 73) etc. Even though they miss out on all these things, they still perform the heart of the Law.

As Pope John XXIII’s said, there is more that unites us than divides us.

 

[sambos671]

As Pope John XXIII’s said, there is more that unites us than divides us.

Yes I think so.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Me too…

 

[mike00077]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

2508 Lying consists in saying what is false with the intention of deceiving one’s neighbor.

2509 An offense committed against the truth requires reparation.