Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

[Strevel]

mike00077:
Is it possible we are being politically correct here??
If we believe that our Church was founded by Jesus Christ, and it was we must view the other guys as well intentioned reps of the “Dark Side”. And yes, I am a Trek fan.

If we are the good guys and they are the bad guys, …need I say more??

Don in Vegas

 

[reteeks21]

Is it possible we are being politically correct here??
If we believe that our Church was founded by Jesus Christ, and it was we must view the other guys as well intentioned reps of the “Dark Side”. And yes, I am a Trek fan.

If we are the good guys and they are the bad guys, …need I say more??

Don in Vegas

The “Dark Side”? “Bad guys”? Afre you serious?

 

[Hisalone]

Is it possible we are being politically correct here??
If we believe that our Church was founded by Jesus Christ, and it was we must view the other guys as well intentioned reps of the “Dark Side”. And yes, I am a Trek fan.

If we are the good guys and they are the bad guys, …need I say more??

Don in Vegas

Why is it not possible that we all are the good guys?

 

[Lil_Cat]

As Pope John XXIII’s said, there is more that unites us than divides us.

And sadly enough, just look on the Non-Catholic Religions forum and you find divisive people (just look at the title of the OP’s threads).

Sounds like if someone claims to be Catholic (I won’t name any names ) they should pay more attention to what the Pope says and take it to heart.

 

[notself]

I would like responses only from those who consider themselves to be devout Catholics. Do you believe a devout Protestant or Non-Christian can pull you from your faith?

 

[Strevel]

And sadly enough, just look on the Non-Catholic Religions forum and you find divisive people (just look at the title of the OP’s threads).

Sounds like if someone claims to be Catholic (I won’t name any names ) they should pay more attention to what the Pope says and take it to heart.

I am Catholic and love it. I believe it and follow it. I am a convert from the Mormon faith. I was not born Catholic, but will pass into the next life as a Catholic.

People who listen to the views of others need to cement themselves to who they are and realise that sometimes the problem is not the faith, but their relationship with it. Work on the relationship,humble your heart, and get it together.

Pax Vobiscum!,
Don in Vegas

 

[Jimmy_B]

…Do you believe a devout Protestant or Non-Christian can pull you from your faith?

smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_2_39.gif What? smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_20_2.gif NO Way!

**smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/4/4_11_10.gifLet’ em try and see what happens!

**smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_8_12.gifGo Team Catholic

 

[notself]

I am Catholic and love it. I believe it and follow it. I am a convert from the Mormon faith. I was not born Catholic, but will pass into the next life as a Catholic.

People who listen to the views of others need to cement themselves to who they are and realise that sometimes the problem is not the faith, but their relationship with it. Work on the relationship,humble your heart, and get it together.

Pax Vobiscum!,
Don in Vegas

I don’t understand your last paragraph. What do you mean “must be cemented to who they are”? What do you mean when you say “the problem is not the faith, but their relation with it”?

What was not cemented in you when you left the Mormon Faith? What was the problem you had with your relationship with your Mormon Faith?

The above are not “gotcha” questions. I am trying to understand your meaning and a bit of your conversion history in relation to the title of this thread.

I believe that it is extremely rare that devout people are pulled by another person’s efforts to leave their original faith and convert to another. (I am not talking here about predatory cults but standard conversion from one religion to another.)

As a Mormon, did you every pull someone who was devout away from their religion when you were on your mission?

 

[Singinbeauty]

People who listen to the views of others need to cement themselves to who they are and realise that sometimes the problem is not the faith, but their relationship with it. Work on the relationship,humble your heart, and get it together.

Pax Vobiscum!,
Don in Vegas

VERY well said…

 

[Singinbeauty]

I don’t understand your last paragraph. What do you mean “must be cemented to who they are”? What do you mean when you say “the problem is not the faith, but their relation with it”?

What was not cemented in you when you left the Mormon Faith? What was the problem you had with your relationship with your Mormon Faith?

The above are not “gotcha” questions. I am trying to understand your meaning and a bit of your conversion history in relation to the title of this thread.

I believe that it is extremely rare that devout people are pulled by another person’s efforts to leave their original faith and convert to another. (I am not talking here about predatory cults but standard conversion from one religion to another.)

As a Mormon, did you every pull someone who was devout away from their religion when you were on your mission?

I believe that Strevel was responding to:

Sounds like if someone claims to be Catholic (I won’t name any names ) they should pay more attention to what the Pope says and take it to heart.

What I took from it is that we have to be strong and set in our own Faith before we start on someone else’s. If SOME people would pay attention to what the Pope had said about being more united than different they wouldn’t attack protestants and call them ‘bad guys from the dark side’.

Forgive me, Strevel, if I misinterpreted your post.

 

[Ronald_E]

I would like responses only from those who consider themselves to be devout Catholics. Do you believe a devout Protestant or Non-Christian can pull you from your faith?

I do not like the term devout because devout does not necessarily mean that one knows the foundation of Love that is the faith.
Nobody could pull me from my faith, just as no human being brought me back to my faith.

 

[MrDickerson]

Are non-Catholics and Protestants who pulled Catholics away from their Catholic Faith, in danger of going to Hell?

Obviously! They’re in danger of hell either way, being non-Catholic. There is no salvation outside the Church.

 

[Ronald_E]

Obviously! They’re in danger of hell either way, being non-Catholic. There is no salvation outside the Church.

Would you please explain what you mean by that statement.

 

[notself]

I do not like the term devout because devout does not necessarily mean that one knows the foundation of Love that is the faith.
Nobody could pull me from my faith, just as no human being brought me back to my faith.

I use the term to mean serious and earnest in one’s faith and knowledge of the teachings of one’s religion.

It is my premise that no one can pull the devout from faith. I think the very question that is the title of this thread is a foolish one and shows a lack of understanding.

 

[Ronald_E]

I use the term to mean serious and earnest in one’s faith and knowledge of the teachings of one’s religion.

It is my premise that no one can pull the devout from faith. I think the very question that is the title of this thread is a foolish one and shows a lack of understanding.

I would not use the term foolish because if one of us is foolish then all of us are foolish since we cannot not know the perfect love that God is. And since it is impossible to know the ways of God because His ways are not our ways then I guess we are all foolish. I suppose I talked myself into agreeing to use the term foolish since it does apply to all of us.
Since God is Love any statement that does not reflect the influence of God’s Love then I would consider foolish.
I do not believe people get pulled away from anything. I think they move away from an unloving environment to one in which they think they may find love.

 

[notself]

I would not use the term foolish because if one of us is foolish then all of us are foolish since we cannot not know the perfect love that God is. And since it is impossible to know the ways of God because His ways are not our ways then I guess we are all foolish. I suppose I talked myself into agreeing to use the term foolish since it does apply to all of us.
Since God is Love any statement that does not reflect the influence of God’s Love then I would consider foolish.
I do not believe people get pulled away from anything. I think they move away from an unloving environment to one in which they think they may find love.

I used the word foolish as in lacking in sense.

 

[ronald_g_w]

Obviously! They’re in danger of hell either way, being non-Catholic. There is no salvation outside the Church.

I am not Catholic

If your statement is correct then why does the Catholic church accept the baptism of certain other Christian churches ???

 

[MrDickerson]

I am not Catholic

If your statement is correct then why does the Catholic church accept the baptism of certain other Christian churches ???

Because simply being baptized does not mean you are saved. St. Augustine said that you can have everything outside the Catholic Church–including sacraments–but not salvation. An infant baptized in a Protestant church, born to Protestant parents, would definitely be saved because until that infant reaches the age of reason where he/she can actually reject the Catholic Church, he is, in reality, Catholic.

 

[sambos671]

Because simply being baptized does not mean you are saved. St. Augustine said that you can have everything outside the Catholic Church–including sacraments–but not salvation. An infant baptized in a Protestant church, born to Protestant parents, would definitely be saved because until that infant reaches the age of reason where he/she can actually reject the Catholic Church, he is, in reality, Catholic.

The age of reason is a protestant invention. The ECF and other Catholics had a different view.

 

[Ronald_E]

Because simply being baptized does not mean you are saved. St. Augustine said that you can have everything outside the Catholic Church–including sacraments–but not salvation. An infant baptized in a Protestant church, born to Protestant parents, would definitely be saved because until that infant reaches the age of reason where he/she can actually reject the Catholic Church, he is, in reality, Catholic.

Nobody, unless they are sociopathic or unable for whatever valid reason, rejects truth. Faith is a gift of Grace. I was away for 40 years. I would not have returned to our faith if not for the Grace of God. We are to known by how we love and we are to draw others to us through the love of God for all humanity. There is no ability to reason that is absent of God’s Love.