Are you Catholic? Why or why not?

[Kouyate42]

Dear brother

Why? Catholic means “Universal”. And there are over 1.1 billion of us spread over the whole earth so we truly are universal

I have little to no idea why I’m so scared to even go to Mass.

 

[Luvtosew]

Which way is it? Are Catholics saved by works or by Jesus? Is it 50% works 50% Jesus, or a different ratio? Do you get to pick? If you do lots of works, lets tip the scales to 90% works, only a little Jesus is needed then (10%)

I do believe one needs to have faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, without that your lost as a Christian and any work you do is dead works.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Maybe you ought read what Luther taught about a saving faith.And what he had to say about confession.

Look, I know Luther gets a bad rap. But that’s OK. that’s the way I got it. you really didn’t think I knew luther was going to do that? Jesus was still in charge, because He was still weaning His church and trying to get themselves off their minds (die to self) so they could let go and ascend to divinity so they would be in sync with there spirits, who are.

I had to go back and rewrite everything between a couple Big Bangs because Jesus had no way of knowing His church was going to grow this big (remember God doesn’t count) so He was just going on the basis of what He had available as existing ideas in humanity at the time. He could have just said, “folks, let’s go. We’re here so wake up and smell the roses” but it was much more fun, interesting, prolific, and everything else to let the world’s creature self-destruct.

so we are faced with a decision. so we accept the universe we’re given and desire to be human? that means no fun, but no

omg i forgot to pick up my kid … i’ll be back

 

[Kouyate42]

I do believe one needs to have faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, without that your lost as a Christian and any work you do is dead works.

This to my mind is like asking whether you can get fruit without a tree. If you have faith (the tree), your faith will naturally produce good works (fruit). There is actually a parable about this…

 

[Luvtosew]

This to my mind is like asking whether you can get fruit without a tree. If you have faith (the tree), your faith will naturally produce good works (fruit). There is actually a parable about this…

 

[Omar_Gatskill]

I do believe one needs to have faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, without that your lost as a Christian and any work you do is dead works.

I think this is a pretty good statement, however the whole drive for doing good works really comes from Christ for Christians. The changed (or changing)(sanctification) person naturally acts more and more as Christ did by Christ working through him/her.

In the Anglican church, it has been said before that we cease to live and it is Christ who lives in us.

 

[Omar_Gatskill]

+JMJ+

Read on Aquinas

And, of course, read on the Personal Ordinariate for Anglicans

Among other things…

What are you talking about?? The one liners may be cute to you but they serve no useful purpose for knowledge.

 

[Luvtosew]

I think this is a pretty good statement, however the whole drive for doing good works really comes from Christ for Christians. The changed (or changing)(sanctification) person naturally acts more and more as Christ did by Christ working through him/her.

In the Anglican church, it has been said before that we cease to live and it is Christ who lives in us.

You said it well.

 

[Omar_Gatskill]

+JMJ+

The Council of Trent, Sixth Session

ON JUSTIFICATION

CANON I.-If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema.

CANON II.-If any one saith, that the grace of God, through Jesus Christ, is given only for this, that man may be able more easily to live justly, and to merit eternal life, as if, by free will without grace, he were able to do both, though hardly indeed and with difficulty; let him be anathema.

CANON III.-If any one saith, that without the prevenient inspiration of the Holy Ghost, and without his help, man can believe, hope, love, or be penitent as he ought, so as that the grace of Justification may be bestowed upon him; let him be anathema.

I wonder which Catholicism are you talking about here…

Why don’t you post ALL that Trent says regarding salvation? It will be very apparent then that it does NOT square with what Scripture says regarding Salvation. Yet another reason why I am an Ex-Catholic.

 

[Omar_Gatskill]

You said it well.

Thank you.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

I do believe one needs to have faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, without that your lost as a Christian and any work you do is dead works.

The problem I think we have as mortals is our minds want to characterize God. The problem is, the model is only fed by incomplete information unless two or more are intimately connected, in which case the interference patterns between them take on a life of their own and create entire consciousnesses which are capable of generating words to make universes such as ours to play out one possible thought’s eternal consequences.

darn gotta take kid to karate hold that thought.

Alan

 

[TarkanAttila]

Right again, faith doesn’t tell us any of those things, God’s word revealed to us is the only authority on what to do or avoid.

Where did God’s word come from? Did it just fall out of the sky and bean one of the Apostles on the head?

No. It was written by men. It is the written portion of the Traditions Saint Paul and the other Apostles taught.

Tell me this: what did Saint Paul, word for word, teach the Bereans that convinced them to become Christians?

Which way is it? Are Catholics saved by works or by Jesus? Is it 50% works 50% Jesus, or a different ratio? Do you get to pick? If you do lots of works, lets tip the scales to 90% works, only a little Jesus is needed then (10%)

BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH,** THEN** WORKS

ALL THREE ARE IMPORTANT. Without God’s grace, neither faith nor good works can save you. However, once God lends his saving grace (which is one type of grace; there are two), your faith and good works - or to put it another way, your belief and your obedience - will save you.

WITHOUT ALL THREE in as great a measure as you can give, you will neither be saved nor justified.

I do believe one needs to have faith in Jesus Christ as your savior, without that your lost as a Christian and any work you do is dead works.

Truth, truth. Bearing in mind, of course, that one’s good works are only dead to you. They still accomplish good for others. But if they are not done for God’s Kingdom, they’re useless *for **your *justification.

I do not believe Luther (or was it Calvin?) when he said that we are totally depraved and unable to do good. And when I think about it, that is why.

Why don’t you post ALL that Trent says regarding salvation? It will be very apparent then that it does NOT square with what Scripture says regarding Salvation. Yet another reason why I am an Ex-Catholic.

An ex-Catholic to Orthodox I can understand. But Anglican? Why Anglican? I don’t understand how anyone can leave a church that was started by the Apostles for one that was started by a king who wanted a divorce.

By what logic did you decide Anglicanism is the true church?

 

[AlanFromWichita]

What are you talking about?? The one liners may be cute to you but they serve no useful purpose for knowledge.

The one liners are the purest form of communications, equivalent to single words, letters, or imaginations, which carry a message from one aspect of spirit to another in the directions of their named human parts. the words require this structure to exist.

the simpler the words, the less we influence the non-imaginative to wake up so we think it is imagination of our human minds. So basically if we use words, we are contribuint toward god by dividing ourselves from him, and exercising our wills. you see, god has no will on his own and to subject oneself to his will is to lose the will entirely, at which time you snap yourself in to the appropriate roles in the body of christ.

in a hyrry bye

 

[Luvtosew]

Bye,

I’m sorry I’m not understanding a word you say.

 

[David]

I am a Catholic by the grace of God.

From atheist to Roman Catholic, is not possible without the grace of God.

Christianity is the only religion found by a man who claimed to God, and then proved it.

Why Catholic?
Because the Bible says Jesus Christ founded the Church, and Jesus walked this planet 2000 years ago,not 500.

Thousands of 500 year old churches, with hundreds of disagreements is not a truth I can embrace.
John 8:32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.

Prophesy
John 15:18* "If the world hates you, know that it has hated me before it hated you. 19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own; but because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Jesus said we would be hated. The Catholic Church has a long list of haters. Many in the main stream media, people promoting the homosexual agenda, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, many atheists, and even many Protestants.

I love that the Holy Spirit, through and with the Bishop of Rome, has protected the deposit of faith we received from the Apostles, both in the Bible and Tradition.
2 Thes 2:15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

I love the Eucharist that allows me to abide in the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 6:53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; 54 he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56* He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me.

I love that as a Catholic, not only can I read the Scriptures, but I can live them.

Peace
David

 

[AlanFromWichita]

Bye,

I’m sorry I’m not understanding a word you say.

Nice. If that’s the case, then we must be hooked up and don’t need to write back and forth.

I will respect you by dying for you that you may no longer have this stimilus of confusion.

Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

Now … that we have nothing we need to talk about, I rest my case.

(don’t worry, there are replacements who will keep my name and login up and running.

Alan

 

[Luvtosew]

I"m serious I don’t understand what your saying, comprehend is a better word.
Too psychological for me .I need plain talk.

 

[Miriam1947]

I have little to no idea why I’m so scared to even go to Mass.

When I went to Mass for the very first time I discovered something very scary.

This is true worship of God.

And I knew that day that I would become a Catholic and I did and I am the only one in my family.

 

[AlanFromWichita]

When I went to Mass for the very first time I discovered something very scary.

This is true worship of God.

And I knew that day that I would become a Catholic and I did and I am the only one in my family.

Welcome to the “magic” kingdom (copied you there mr disney )

update: julie is breathing better, but we’re still not out of the water. she asked me to blow air in her mouth, so she breathed, and when she inhaled i’d blow. She is better and stable, but i need to get right bacdk

it just occurred to me why you can
't undersatn me.

we are alll prophets. the crazier someone is, the less likely somebody with a “way” of thinking will become intrigued and attracted to it. so in kicks our animal nature. we want to kill it, ignore it, eat it, smell it, whatever. we want to experience it based on outward observations. this thing we “see” doesn’t have to be tangible. could even be a dream you’re not even aware of. that runs the heart throubgh the same cycle as ifg you experienced the same awake, but here in dream you remove your physical body from the collective.

goshs osrry i’m beating around the bush

shorgt answer, when somebody is confused, they get out some scratch paper, brainstorm, and go from there. we call this revelation… revelation is a word to bridge primarily between. so we look at somebody else’s scratch paper and say, a revelation. once you get it yourself, the revelation becomes extinct, part of the record, and you and it are one for eternity.

ok, off until wife gets better or if not soon then hospital… sorry this was high priority. i can rest now and focus on St. Julie. bye.

Alan

 

[PRmerger]

Silly me, I thought that 13 years of Catholic education and a completely Catholic and supporting family would have been able to adequately teach me how to be Catholic.

There are quite a few ex-Catholics here who are abysmally ignorant about the Catholic faith. Despite all the qualifiers
“altar boy for 4 years!”
“taught by Sr. Mary Margaret Joseph in full habit!”
“went to Mass every day for 9 years!”

if you ask them even the most basic question about Catholicism they will get it wrong more often than not.

So you’ll have to forgive our skepticism about your catechesis, despite the “13 years of Catholic education”.

The Church has done a dismal job of providing nourishing truth for her flock in the past, so it’s probably not your fault.

Just a quick question, though, wendit. Do you know where Scripture is recited in the Catholic Mass?