Article about sex after death in islam

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Stu:
Well I think your view is as straight forward as you thought. It’s just that to myself, and I think others here, the reward of heaven is just being close to God rather than the carnal and primal rewards you describe. And while I agree He would give us anything we could want, what could I possibly desire that would compare to just being with Him? Nothing.
Hello Stu,

Yes I agree with you. What COULD be more desireable then being with God? Nothing. But many simpler people dont understand this concept nor care about it. Hence the verses describing the lesser pleasures of Heaven.

Munawar
 
The Eurasian:
A human person is believed by Christians to have a body and a soul.

Muslims believe that the body of the Virgin Mary is in her grave.

What about the soul of the Virgin Mary? What do Muslims believe happened to her soul? Where is Mary’s soul today???
Hi Eurasian,

This is a debated topic. My only response is that Mary’s soul is were a soul goes after death. To her grave, waiting for the Day of Judgement. Then souls will be sorted and sent to Heaven/Hell/Purgatory.

Munawar
 
Let me ask you a question:
Are there pervert Christians? Men and women who really enjoy sex, but are good Christians, and channel that energy properly? Do they get to go to Heaven?
Are there Christians that love wealth and material goods (But don’t hoard?) Do they get to go to Heaven? If God told them that there were lots of riches in Heaven, do you think this would make them happy?
Maybe I’m not explaining this properly, but it seems quite straightforward to me.
The Sacred Scripture is very clear about the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ. If a person, even baptized Christians, who choose to follow the path that will lead them to damnation cannot be saved. It’s plain and simple–sin is sin. We are not playing with words.

But God gives us the grace to overcome all the temptations of the world. It’s up to us to respond to that grace.

Pio
 
Munawar,

Is Muhammad’s God the God of the dead or of the living?

How about a genii? Did any of the muslims have had experience with geniis?

Pio
 
Let me ask you a question:
Are there pervert Christians? Men and women who really enjoy sex, but are good Christians, and channel that energy properly? Do they get to go to Heaven?
Are there Christians that love wealth and material goods (But don’t hoard?) Do they get to go to Heaven? If God told them that there were lots of riches in Heaven, do you think this would make them happy?
Maybe I’m not explaining this properly, but it seems quite straightforward to me.
Munawar,

If you think that you can find salvation by believing in Muhammad’s Quran, and through it you will become a better person, then why are you still a slave of sin until now? Why can’t you be totally free?

Pio
 
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Munawar:
Hi Eurasian,

This is a debated topic. My only response is that Mary’s soul is were a soul goes after death. To her grave, waiting for the Day of Judgement. Then souls will be sorted and sent to Heaven/Hell/Purgatory.

Munawar
How about Mahomet?

(1) Where do Muslims believe is Mahomet’s body?

(2) Where do Muslims believe is Mahomet’s soul?
 
Munawar

In the islamic view,

(3) If a dead person’s body is dead inside the grave

(4) If a dead person’s soul is inside the grave

(5) how is he having sex with 72 virgins when he is all alone?
(6) looks like the soul is inside a prison called “the grave”
 
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed here. I wasn’t able to read the entire thread. This information is disturbing and disgusting. It does however; give explanation to why Muslim’s are so mixed up in their charity toward others.

Some questions:

Where do these 72 virgins come from? Are they newly created spirits for the men who gain paradise? Do they come from earthly vessels?

Where do women’s spirits go after death? Do they have souls? Have they served their purpose on earth and are thrown into the garbage abyss, when they die?

If one has the rest of eternity and only 72 virgins, what happens when they are no longer virgin? Do they get a second helping of new fleshy pleasure?

Who came up with this pathetic, arrogant and base belief system, was it Mohammed?

Will Muslim women ever understand the value, worth and dignity of their being, without intervention?
 
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elizabeth4truth:
If one has the rest of eternity and only 72 virgins, what happens when they are no longer virgin? Do they get a second helping of new fleshy pleasure?

Will Muslim women ever understand the value, worth and dignity of their being, without intervention?
I don’t know where the 72 houris come from - the houris are apparently “eternally virgin” - not just once, but always. And the men are restored to their 30 year old bodies for eternity.

I do know that Mohammed said there will be many more women in hell than men. It is much more difficult for a woman to achieve paradise than a man. Unless, of course, she blows herself up or otherwise martyrs herself in the cause of bringing the Earth to Allah - that is the only guarantee a Muslim ever has of achieving paradise. (There may be some loophole which would make this not apply to women, however.)

If you listen to Mohammed, Muslim women have little or no value, worth or dignity except as conferred upon them by men.

Elizabeth
 
Hi all!

Munawar, when I referred to the Islamic concept of dhimmi as being similar to apartheid, I meant:
Obligations:

Paying jizyah (a poll tax applied to non-muslims, unless they served in the military, an exception to this was the janissaries in the Ottoman empire)

Paying kharaj (a land tax applied initially to dhimmi but extended in the early 8th century to cover certain classes of land regardless of the cultivator’s religion)[5] (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#endnote_kharaj)

Restrictions:

Not allowed to build new non-Muslim houses of worship, or expand existing locations.

Not allowed to display non-Muslim symbols on the outside of their existing houses of worship.

Not allowed to pray non-Muslim prayers, perform non-Muslim rituals, wear symbols of their faith visibly on their clothing, or preach non-Muslim faiths in public.

Not allowed to publish or sell non-Muslim religious literature.

Not allowed to ask Muslims to join them in worship (see proselytization).

Non-Muslim males cannot marry Muslim females (but Muslim males may freely marry non-Muslim females).

Other points: Later legislation in the Sharia codified the rule that Jews and Christians were forbidden to blaspheme the Qur’an, the religion of Islam, or Muhammad. Jews and Christians were also forbidden to ask Muslims to join their faith, but Muslims were allowed to ask Jews and Christians to convert to Islam (see proselytization). Violation of these rules could invoke the death sentence.
Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi#Status_of_Dhimmis

You posted:
Question for you - How were non-Christians treated under Christian rule? How did the Jews fair in Europe from 0BC to 1943?
I cite:
While Jewish communities in Arab and Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs and Muslim. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: “The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam.”(2)

(…).

Violence Against Jews

At various times, Jews in Muslim lands were able to live in relative peace and thrive culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death. Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews.

When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results: On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

(cont.)
 
(cont.)

Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in “an offensive manner.” The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.(6)

Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830 and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.(7)

Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854-859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran’s prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).(8)

As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:
It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number of Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.(9)
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The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.(10)

By the twentieth century, the status of the dhimmi in Muslim lands had not significantly improved. H.E.W. Young, British Vice Consul in Mosul, wrote in 1909:
The attitude of the Muslims toward the Christians and the Jews is that of a master towards slaves, whom he treats with a certain lordly tolerance so long as they keep their place. Any sign of pretension to equality is promptly repressed.(11)
The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN over partition in 1947. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: “Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world.”(12)

More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940’s in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.(13) This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries.

Link: jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Jews_in_Arab_lands_(gen).html.

I will repeat my view that the belief in a carnal Paradise/Heaven/world-to-come is an essentially pagan notion.

Be well!

ssv 👋
 
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elizabeth4truth:
Please excuse me if this has already been discussed here. I wasn’t able to read the entire thread. This information is disturbing and disgusting. It does however; give explanation to why Muslim’s are so mixed up in their charity toward others.

Some questions:

Where do these 72 virgins come from? Are they newly created spirits for the men who gain paradise? Do they come from earthly vessels?

Where do women’s spirits go after death? Do they have souls? Have they served their purpose on earth and are thrown into the garbage abyss, when they die?

If one has the rest of eternity and only 72 virgins, what happens when they are no longer virgin? Do they get a second helping of new fleshy pleasure?

Who came up with this pathetic, arrogant and base belief system, was it Mohammed?

Will Muslim women ever understand the value, worth and dignity of their being, without intervention?
Elizabeth,

Something I have always asked on Islamic forums and have yet to be answered is this:

Who is the Daddy of the 72 virgins? Do you think he is happy and proud?

B
 
Ya Allah!

Iamrefreshed, what made you think that the “72 vergins” have or will have a daddy? Was this something you read or you were just expanding your mind?
 
Ya Allah!..Hey forum, greetings to All.

Iamrefreshed: That is very unfair of you to paint the entire West as materialistic. I could easily paint Islam with the broad brush of violence if we wanted to play games.

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Jermin Savory:** That wouldn’t be an honest thing to do, considering the countless number of good Muslims you would be blindly painting with the wide generalization brush. To besides, it is plain that they are Muslims who behave like terrorist and do terrorist acts but we wouldn’t blame the whole Muslim world for them, that would be fair. Likewise, we wouldn’t say all Christians are killers because of the actions of nat turner, who killed many in his time.
 
Ya Allah!..Hey forum, greetings to All.

**
Iamrefreshed**: That is very unfair of you to paint the entire West as materialistic. I could easily paint Islam with the broad brush of violence if we wanted to play games.

**
Jermin Savory**: That wouldn’t be an honest thing to do, considering the countless number of good Muslims you would be blindly painting with the wide generalization brush. To besides, it is plain that they are Muslims who behave like terrorist and do terrorist acts but we wouldn’t blame the whole Muslim world for them, that would be fair. Likewise, we wouldn’t say all Christians are killers because of the actions of nat turner, who killed many in his time.
 
Jermin Savory:
Ya Allah!..Hey forum, greetings to All.

Iamrefreshed: That is very unfair of you to paint the entire West as materialistic. I could easily paint Islam with the broad brush of violence if we wanted to play games.

Jermin Savory: That wouldn’t be an honest thing to do, considering the countless number of good Muslims you would be blindly painting with the wide generalization brush. To besides, it is plain that they are Muslims who behave like terrorist and do terrorist acts but we wouldn’t blame the whole Muslim world for them, that would be fair. Likewise, we wouldn’t say all Christians are killers because of the actions of nat turner, who killed many in his time.
Dear Jermin Savory,

I believe there is a contradiction in your description because of doctrine of each perspective religion. If Muslims believe it good doctrine to kill Christians, they are fulfilling their religious belief. When one, who regards him/herself Christian, kills another human being, they sin against God’s command, not to kill. They are breaking faith with God’s Church and not really fulfilling their religious belief. In the scenario you’ve described above, it would be safer to say that Nat Turner was holding truer to Muslim beliefs, then Christian ones.

Peace,
Elizabeth
 
I have heard, but do not undrstand, that Muslims respect and glorify Jesus Mother but they hate Jesus.

Could some one explain this please? Why regard Mary holy? Why regard Jesus poorly?

Thank you.
 
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elizabeth4truth:
I have heard, but do not undrstand, that Muslims respect and glorify Jesus Mother but they hate Jesus.

Could some one explain this please? Why regard Mary holy? Why regard Jesus poorly?

Thank you.
They don’t hate Jesus, they just deny His divinity. To them, He is a prophet like Mohammed. Basically they believe the early Christians just screwed up His message.
 
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ElizabethJoy:
I don’t know where the 72 houris come from - the houris are apparently “eternally virgin” - not just once, but always. And the men are restored to their 30 year old bodies for eternity.

I do know that Mohammed said there will be many more women in hell than men. It is much more difficult for a woman to achieve paradise than a man. Unless, of course, she blows herself up or otherwise martyrs herself in the cause of bringing the Earth to Allah - that is the only guarantee a Muslim ever has of achieving paradise. (There may be some loophole which would make this not apply to women, however.)

If you listen to Mohammed, Muslim women have little or no value, worth or dignity except as conferred upon them by men.

Elizabeth
Elizabeth,
Thank you for this explanation. How sad for a nation to have such a poor regard for half of it’s humanity.
I wonder, if Muslim’s believe that virgins are best, why don’t they keep their women virgins so more of them might gain paradise? That would solve several problems all at once.
Elizabeth
 
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