As a Catholic must I vote Trump?

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J_Peterson said:
Would you prefer we vote for someone that has been indicted?
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My Mom would call that a dumb question. If she was indicted then she wouldn’t qualify. I wish she had been! Many others went to jail for far less than what she’s done!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
That may be sooo but we would be throwing our vote away on him. Where was he at the beginning??God Bless, Memaw
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Since he’s from a third party he wouldn’t be a candidate for either republican or Democratic Party.

On the republican side, there were those who were significantly more pro-life than trump. But that did not matter. So we are stuck.
 
CRATUS said:
Just because he is pro-life or leans that way. There are many other aspects of him I honestly do not condone. I feel foolish voting for someone based on one issue.
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Recently posted in World News:

**Bishop Conley: “You actually don’t have to vote for either.”
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Lincoln, Neb., Sep 30, 2016 / 03:33 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Catholics who can’t in good conscience vote for either major presidential candidate are well within their rights to pick a third option, says Bishop James Conley of Lincoln, Nebraska.
Voters need to discern whether there is a candidate in each race who can “advance human dignity, the right to life and the common good,” he said in his Sept. 30 column for the Southern Nebraska Register.

“When there is, we should feel free to vote for that candidate – whether they are a member of a major party or not,” he said. “No Catholic should feel obliged to vote for one candidate just to prevent the election of another.”
The bishop advised a prudent course that avoids dangerous forms of “blind partisanship” and misleading political rhetoric and media alarmism.
He acknowledged the possibility that “in extraordinary circumstances” some Catholics may decide there is no suitable candidate for a race and abstain from voting in that particular race. Read more…
 
Stylteralmaldo said:
You keep bringing up this statistic. However, you do realize that people are now aborting babies using over the counter medications which coincidentally or not became available right around the time the numbers started to decline, meaning the abortions pills people take over the counter don’t capture those abortions.
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Perhaps, but then this problem will not be solved by overturning Roe v. Wade either.

Another issue leading to the decline of abortions of course is using contraceptives (not that the Church allows that, but it’s a fact).
 
J_Peterson said:
Would you prefer we vote for someone that has been indicted?
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If you are voting for Hillary, you will be voting for the first president to be indicted after her election! The crimes that can be proven are stacking up! Huma will not go down alone if at all for her testimony! This is getting serious!
 
Mary_Gail_36 said:
Since he’s from a third party he wouldn’t be a candidate for either republican or Democratic Party.

On the republican side, there were those who were significantly more pro-life than trump. But that did not matter. So we are stuck.
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He is not well known enough to get many votes now. That’s what I meant. Voting for him would benefit Hillary. God Bless, Memaw
 
tomgosse said:
As a Catholic, you should vote for Mike Maturen of the American Solidarity Pary. The ASP is based on Catholic teachings, is pro-life and pro-family, and supports social justice. If you vote for him, or write him, you can leave the polling place with a clean conscience.
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Yes, I am voting for the ASP for sure; in line with Catholic teachings is awesome.

Mary.
 
john81 said:
Isn’t preventing even a drop by 5-10% worth voting AGAINST her?? Or is saving hundreds to thousands of innocent lives not worth it compared to all our other selfish “wants” in a president? C’mon, don’t get caught up in the rhetoric that “it won’t change much”…that sounds like a cop out to doing good in this world. If no one does the little things to move the world closer to Christ’s Social Kingship, then no progress will be made to restore his kingdom.
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My analysis is not a cop-out. It’s based on health statistics, and the need as Catholics to consider how our vote will affect not just abortion, but other issues as well. As the leaked memo in 2004 from then-Cardinal Ratzinger on voting in elections stated in a footnote:
A Catholic would be guilty of formal cooperation in evil, and so unworthy to present himself for Holy Communion, if he were to deliberately vote for a candidate precisely because of the candidate’s permissive stand on abortion and/or euthanasia. When a Catholic does not share a candidate’s stand in favour of abortion and/or euthanasia, but votes for that candidate for other reasons, it is considered remote material cooperation, which can be permitted in the presence of proportionate reasons.

As such, I have examined the issue of proportionality in light of the available epidemiologic data on abortion rates, historical abortion rates, and available “black market” abortifacients already in use throughout the world, and evaluated my vote based on that information.

I said that the drop in abortion rates with the overturning of Roe v. Wade would amount to 5-10% below current levels, as a direct impact of the legal status of abortion changing in “red states.” However, the legal pressure pushing abortion rates downward would only be one factor determining ultimate abortion rates.

Abortion rates could increase by the factors I described earlier, resulting from Trump’s protectionism increasing costs for all American consumers. His protectionism would likely restoring few jobs as employers turn to more automation instead of hiring new employees (e.g., self-scan lanes in grocery stores, Amazon’s factory robots, self-driving vehicles, self-service kiosks in movie theaters and restaurants, etc). Econometric studies have demonstrated that fertility decreases during economic hard times, which most economist believe will be the consequence of Trump’s policies. Studies on plant closures in one-factory towns show that fertility rates decline when that happened. The Great Recession caused many people to postpone family formation and childbearing, but not sex! That suggests that abortion rates could very well increase as a result of Trump’s economic policies.

Beyond U.S. borders, his seizure of remittances from immigrants from Mexico to fund his wall is likely to impoverish families in Mexico – that’s not likely to help at all.

There is not a single verse in the New Testament that says that Christians should influence government by getting politicians into office that support their worldviews. EVERY single one, from Jesus (e.g. Mark 10:25-35, John 18:36, Matthew 28:18-20, Acts 1:6) to Paul (Romans 13:1-8), the author of Hebrews (13:14), to 1 Peter (2:11-17), says says that Christian political theology is NOT about taking over, but about spreading the Gospel in humility in the face of adversity. That means evangelizing and changing the culture like the early Church did… they took over the Roman Empire!

It is dangerous to associate one election with God’s kingdom. Yes, abortion is an evil that must be confronted and stopped, but I see no evidence that voting for Trump is the answer. I’m not voting for Hillary either, FYI.
 
Ridgerunner said:
There is no issue favored by Trump that even remotely equals the evil of elective abortion. The “Faithful Citizenship” document says that too. We are not to be “single issue” to the extent of choosing one intrinsic evil over another.

But in this election, the only promoter of intrinsic evil is Hillary Clinton. Perhaps if you would care to share your “several grave reasons”, we could consider them and compare them to a million killed children annually for relative gravity.
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The only? Catholic Republican House Speaker Paul Ryan said Donald Trump’s words were a textbook definition of a racist comment and the bishops list racial behavior as also an intrinsic evil in the link I provided earlier.
 
MaryT777 said:
Yes, I am voting for the ASP for sure; in line with Catholic teachings is awesome.

Mary.
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Is it line with Catholic teaching to vote for someone who can never win and then let Hillary have it??? God Bless, Memaw
 
Al_Moritz said:
With all due respect, the opinions of Catholic Answers do not take precedence over the document “Faithful Citizenship”, issued by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. If you read that document carefully, it is clear that the voting choice cannot simply be boiled down to a facile list of so-called Non-Negotiables.

I would also like to point to this CAF post by Father Ruggero who has some harsh words for the website “Catholics for Trump”, cited in the post he replies to:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=14214614&postcount=219
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And don’t forget Pope Francis’s words, “I have never understood the expression non-negotiable values. Values are values, and that is it. I can’t say that, of the fingers of a hand, there is one less useful than the rest.”

catholicnewsagency.com/news/all-values-are-non-negotiable-pope-says-in-new-interview/
 
I object to the notion that voting for a third-party candidate is throwing away your vote. If orthodox Catholics, evangelicals and other members of the Religious Right abandoned Trump over his racism, mockery of the disabled, and sexual assaults, don’t you think people would notice? Don’t you think the Republican Party would notice? We keep compromising, yes compromising, other teachings of faith and our credibility is shot. I have a fair number of LGBT and left-leaning friends left over from my time away from the Church. They only listen to me because I’ve been consistently pro-life and because I’ve condemned Trump. Our purpose isn’t to win elections; it’s to be faithful. Sometimes that means saying “I choose neither.”
 
Michael68 said:
If you are voting for Hillary, you will be voting for the first president to be indicted after her election! The crimes that can be proven are stacking up! Huma will not go down alone if at all for her testimony! This is getting serious!
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Well, Nixon was as close to being indicted and impeached. The man was a republican.
If she gets impeached, Kaine will be better
 
Michael68 said:
If you are voting for Hillary, you will be voting for the first president to be indicted after her election! The crimes that can be proven are stacking up! Huma will not go down alone if at all for her testimony! This is getting serious!
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Wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. Kaine is so much better than Trump it’s ridiculous.

This should tell you how little some of us think of Trump. I really do believe he will be that bad for the country and the world.
 
J_Peterson said:
With all due respect, is this something that needs to be discussed further? I for one am a bit sick of this argument. It’s usually the same people saying the same things. I guess it’s better to keep it in one thread rather than the usual thread hijack but it’s a very dead horse and we all know the answer is: “No, you don’t have to vote for Trump.”
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I second this. I made a couple of posts on this thread but it does get tiring to have this debated over and over.
 
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