As a Catholic must I vote Trump?

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jtav said:
I object to the notion that voting for a third-party candidate is throwing away your vote. If orthodox Catholics, evangelicals and other members of the Religious Right abandoned Trump over his racism, mockery of the disabled, and sexual assaults, don’t you think people would notice? Don’t you think the Republican Party would notice? We keep compromising, yes compromising, other teachings of faith and our credibility is shot. I have a fair number of LGBT and left-leaning friends left over from my time away from the Church. They only listen to me because I’ve been consistently pro-life and because I’ve condemned Trump. Our purpose isn’t to win elections; it’s to be faithful. Sometimes that means saying “I choose neither.”
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The Church in its teaching never claims that voting third party is throwing away your vote. Those who make that claim usually have an ax to grind for some other candidate.
 
Sy_Noe said:
I noticed. Well I have a World Series to watch tonight so I’ll have a good excuse to be absent. 🙂
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Who ya got tonight?

Cubs extend the WS to a game 7?

or

The Indians end their drought?
 
jtav said:
I object to the notion that voting for a third-party candidate is throwing away your vote. If orthodox Catholics, evangelicals and other members of the Religious Right abandoned Trump over his racism, mockery of the disabled, and sexual assaults, don’t you think people would notice? Don’t you think the Republican Party would notice? We keep compromising, yes compromising, other teachings of faith and our credibility is shot. I have a fair number of LGBT and left-leaning friends left over from my time away from the Church. They only listen to me because I’ve been consistently pro-life and because I’ve condemned Trump. Our purpose isn’t to win elections; it’s to be faithful. Sometimes that means saying “I choose neither.”
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How likely is all that and yes it would give the election to Hillary. Taking a terrible risk!! Our duty is to try and get the best candidate in office that will protect babies. It IS our Catholic responsibility to vote in the most pro life electable candidate. If one isn’t for saving babies, then they are NOT worth my vote on ANY issue. If we can’t trust them with our babies then what can we trust them with… The Democrats are throwing everything then can make up to trash Trump so Hillary will win. I for one certainly will NOT help them put her in office. That would be tragic!! God Bless, Memaw
 
Convert_in_99 said:
Third party is also just fine! 👍
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Personally, I refuse to vote for a third party because of the fact that no third party is likely to win the election. In other words, I feel like I would be wasting my vote. However, I don’t really want to vote for Trump because I disagree with him on many issues and I definitely don’t want to vote for Clinton either because I definitely disagree with her on many issues. I am honestly considering not voting this year.
 
I am tired of people saying that you cannot vote for a third party because it is throwing your vote away. This is likened to saying that if you are throwing your vote away if you aren’t voting for the winner.

If your vote is your voice, do you want to stand up and say what you mean, what you think needs to be heard, or do you want to stand up and say, “I don’t agree with any of this, but here it is anyway.”

This is compromising your self. As Catholics, we are called to be uncompromising in our beliefs.

Also, I’m sick of this “this could be it for us” mentality. I deplore Hilary’s stance on issues and I think she would be horrible for this country if she were to get elected, but I haven’t lost faith in my Lord that it isn’t actually in Hillary’s hands to begin with.

There are some perfectly reasonable “third party” candidates, Evan McMullin and Michael Maturen are two I know of. While a vote for them is not a vote for the winner, it is certainly closer to what I want for this country.

Voting for them IS NOT A VOTE FOR HILLARY. It is a vote for what I believe, and if that isn’t the biggest voice by the end of the election, then so be it.

Christ doesn’t need a majority to remain King. What He wants, though, is servants that are not compromising His teachings in order to maintain “control” over something we don’t actually have control over.
 
DanielJT said:
I am tired of people saying that you cannot vote for a third party because it is throwing your vote away. This is likened to saying that if you are throwing your vote away if you aren’t voting for the winner.

If your vote is your voice, do you want to stand up and say what you mean, what you think needs to be heard, or do you want to stand up and say, “I don’t agree with any of this, but here it is anyway.”

This is compromising your self. As Catholics, we are called to be uncompromising in our beliefs.

Also, I’m sick of this “this could be it for us” mentality. I deplore Hilary’s stance on issues and I think she would be horrible for this country if she were to get elected, but I haven’t lost faith in my Lord that it isn’t actually in Hillary’s hands to begin with.

There are some perfectly reasonable “third party” candidates, Evan McMullin and Michael Maturen are two I know of. While a vote for them is not a vote for the winner, it is certainly closer to what I want for this country.

Voting for them IS NOT A VOTE FOR HILLARY. It is a vote for what I believe, and if that isn’t the biggest voice by the end of the election, then so be it.

Christ doesn’t need a majority to remain King. What He wants, though, is servants that are not compromising His teachings in order to maintain “control” over something we don’t actually have control over.
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👍
 
fnr said:
Abortion rates could increase by the factors I described earlier, resulting from Trump’s protectionism increasing costs for all American consumers.
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Reminder worth repeating: Trump’s FMLA policy proposal for families is only 6 weeks, compared to Hillary’s 12 week proposal. For families choosing life, Trump only allows 6 weeks. That’s unbelievable.

Another reminder worth repeating: Trump has offered NOTHING to lower the obscenely expensive cost of deliveries. And, yes, the cost of deliveries has gotten obscenely expensive. Again: Hillary’s proposal for CHIP and social services to help pay cost the expensive cost of deliveries – reflects a greater commitment to protective post-born life (not just pre-born life.) *Because being pro-life doesn’t stop once the baby’s born.

So, yes, I agree - at a time when abortions have been decreasing, a vote for Trump could very well result in an increase in killing more babies.
 
(Sigh). Unfortunately neither McMullin or Maturen are available in my state as write-in candidates. Any others that might be okay (really well aligned with Catholic teaching like those two)? Or am I pretty much forced to play my lone Trump card? I don’t want to NOT vote.
 
Memaw said:
How likely is all that and yes it would give the election to Hillary. Taking a terrible risk!! Our duty is to try and get the best candidate in office that will protect babies. It IS our Catholic responsibility to vote in the most pro life electable candidate. If one isn’t for saving babies, then they are NOT worth my vote on ANY issue. If we can’t trust them with our babies then what can we trust them with… The Democrats are throwing everything then can make up to trash Trump so Hillary will win. I for one certainly will NOT help them put her in office. That would be tragic!! God Bless, Memaw
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Trump isn’t going to protect babies. He probably won’t make abortion any easier, that I’ll give him, but he’s far from intending to lessen or end it.
 
NickDeez said:
(Sigh). Unfortunately neither McMullin or Maturen are available in my state as write-in candidates. Any others that might be okay (really well aligned with Catholic teaching like those two)? Or am I pretty much forced to play my lone Trump card? I don’t want to NOT vote.
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Reminder: Trump did say, AFTER he became “pro-life,” that he thinks Planned Parenthood does “wonderful work” for women – “except for when it comes to abortion” – and that’s who you’d be voting for. 🤷
 
DanielJT said:
I am tired of people saying that you cannot vote for a third party because it is throwing your vote away. This is likened to saying that if you are throwing your vote away if you aren’t voting for the winner.

If your vote is your voice, do you want to stand up and say what you mean, what you think needs to be heard, or do you want to stand up and say, “I don’t agree with any of this, but here it is anyway.”

This is compromising your self. As Catholics, we are called to be uncompromising in our beliefs.

Also, I’m sick of this “this could be it for us” mentality. I deplore Hilary’s stance on issues and I think she would be horrible for this country if she were to get elected, but I haven’t lost faith in my Lord that it isn’t actually in Hillary’s hands to begin with.

There are some perfectly reasonable “third party” candidates, Evan McMullin and Michael Maturen are two I know of. While a vote for them is not a vote for the winner, it is certainly closer to what I want for this country.

Voting for them IS NOT A VOTE FOR HILLARY. It is a vote for what I believe, and if that isn’t the biggest voice by the end of the election, then so be it.

Christ doesn’t need a majority to remain King. What He wants, though, is servants that are not compromising His teachings in order to maintain “control” over something we don’t actually have control over.
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I like your reply very much.
 
Convert_in_99 said:
Trump isn’t going to protect babies. He probably won’t make abortion any easier, that I’ll give him, but he’s far from intending to lessen or end it.
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Nobody wants to talk about what can be done to lower the cost of deliveries so more more women will choose life. Who will pay for those deliveries once Roe v. Wade is overturned, and who will be prosecuted once it’s illegal – the woman who knows full well she’s killing the baby, or the abortionist? Lots of relevant questions need to be asked before jumping to the conclusion that a vote for Trump is a vote for overturning Roe v. Wade.
 
randomuser said:
Reminder: Trump did say, AFTER he became “pro-life,” that he thinks Planned Parenthood does “wonderful work” for women – “except for when it comes to abortion” – and that’s who you’d be voting for. 🤷
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Oh brother! :dts:
 
stinkcat_14 said:
The Church in its teaching never claims that voting third party is throwing away your vote. Those who make that claim usually have an ax to grind for some other candidate.
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I’m going by what the US Conference of Catholic Bishops say, regarding voting with our conscience.
 
I think voting for a third party is fine if the outcome in your state is decided. I understand protest vote and since I don’t live in a swing state have exercised this option.
Otherwise a vote for a third party could certainly result a win for the most evil if the choices.
Thats a chance we can’t take given the potential for disaster with a Clinton win.
In 1932 Germany held elections ,although the received less then 40% of the vote the NazI 's were given the task to form a government as they were the largest vote getter.
If other parties hadn’t split their votes among 5 other parties history might be much different .
Could those people who didn’t vote NazI be smug about their vote or did their disunity play a part in bring the Nazi’s to power?
 
Convert_in_99 said:
It has taken some endurance to sit out (and defend) this third party position.

So, if Hillary wins, how long before we are attacked because “we” made Trump loose? :rolleyes:
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Oh, I don’t think anyone will say the Clinton voters or third party voters made Trump lose. Trump is not the issue. Clinton is. For a short while, they will probably say those folks made Clinton win, and they would be right in saying it.

After that short while, I think the screen will go blank from true prolifers, as there will probably be no recovery thereafter from rule by the merchants of death, and I think a lot of people know that.

This election is it. The moral darkness that will fall if Clinton is elected will be complete and almost certainly irreversible.
 
Ridgerunner said:
Oh, I don’t think anyone will say the Clinton voters or third party voters made Trump lose. Trump is not the issue. Clinton is. For a short while, they will probably say those folks made Clinton win, and they would be right in saying it.

After that short while, I think the screen will go blank from true prolifers, as there will probably be no recovery thereafter from rule by the merchants of death, and I think a lot of people know that.

This election is it. The moral darkness that will fall if Clinton is elected will be complete and almost certainly irreversible.
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If Trump loses, it will not be because of third party voters, it will be because of Trump. The blame will fall squarely on his shoulders.
 
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