Ask about Islam round 3!

[Muslim_Woman]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

… how does the message become understandable to those who do not speak Arabic?

Translation is available As a non-Arab , I read translation first before reciting Quran so that I can understand what I am reading / reciting .

How many Christians understand Aramic or Greek ? Don’t they read the translation of thier holy book in English or in other languages ? The difference is Muslims read & memorise the verses in the original language . Thus Quran is in every Muslim’s heart …Alhamdulillah …Praise be to God only.

 

[dzheremi]

That may be a difference between us, Muslim Woman, but it means much more theologically to you than it does to us. There are of course Christians who still speak the modern forms of the native language of Jesus as their first language (the Assyrians of Iraq/Iran/Syria/Turkey), and others who use the classical version of that language in their liturgy, like the Maronites (now native Arabic speakers; especially after the 16th century they introduced Arabic into their services, but kept the traditional prayers in Syriac). Anyone can learn the prayers in Syriac if they want to, and yes it is a very, very beautiful language and feels very moving to listen to, knowing that these were the words that OUR SAVIOR spoke when he taught His disciples the prayer (“Abun d’Bashmayo”; what English-speaking Christians call the “Our Father”). But it would be crazy to us to assume that learning prayers, or even the entire Syriac liturgy, is somehow incumbent upon us to truly understand our faith. This is trying to make Christianity, which is a world-wide religion for every race of people on Earth, fit into the mold of Islam - where everyone must pray in the language of a 6th century Arab of a particular tribe whose dialect was magically prefered over all others by God Himself! It is, to be diplomatic, a very problematic view of the practice of faith, and not one that we feel suits us. I would rather hear the beautiful liturgies of the world in 6,000 clashing tongues than make them all conform to English, or Latin, or Arabic, or Spanish, or Ge’ez, or any language. There is beauty in this diversity that cannot be in the Muslim world, even with all of its incredibly diversity in its adherents’ cultures.

In case anyone is interested, here are two of my favorite versions thus far of the prayer in the original:

Abun D’Bashmayo (Halal version; no music or images)

Abun D’Bashmayo (Version with a full choir and instruments)

And 3 transliterations of the text (I think both videos match the Syriac Orthodox Church version most closely)

Enjoy!

 

[Charlotte2008]

Planten and Muslim Woman and any other muslims on here.

I would still like a response to my question at #855. I shall re-post in case you missed it (or are just avoiding the question):-

Watch this please and answer why you are brainwashing your children into hating non-believers if Islam is a “religion of peace”?

youtube.com/watch?v=aml9VvhRXrE

I find it interesting that she says “Our God” - I thought we had the “same” God. She also says for them to be “true muslims” - what exactly is that or according to other muslims are they “not real muslims” - I have heard that hundreds of times as a useless excuse. Do not say it is a fake video when clearly they are muslims!

Perhaps you could have the courtesy of replying. Thank you.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

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** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Watch this please

Internet speed is slow & I can’t watch video online --mentioned this more than once.

why you are brainwashing your children into hating non-believers if Islam is a “religion of peace”?

I posted photoes of Jewish kids who were laughing & writing ’ peaceful messages ’ on the bombs Israeili soldiers were going to use to kill innocent civilians in Lebanon. U don’t have to browse to find fanatic Christians , they are here on the forum .

Your own signature is not sending any peaceful message to anybody. So , what’s the point ? There are fanatics in all religions . If any Muslim parents teach their kids to hate non-Muslims , this is bad. Quran does not teach us to hate anybody . Specially Jews & Christians are referred as people of the holy books.

related link: Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?

Fred - United States : Why are there so many references in the Qur’an and in the Hadith of hate and destruction specifically toward Jews and Christians? Isn’t this contrary to the basic premise of love and forgiveness?

Ans: …The Qur’an was not just revealed for Muslims, but for all people, including Jews and Christians. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was in the line of previous prophets of God…The Qur’an does not condemn the Semitic race; in fact it accords Jews a special status, given their shared prophetic traditions with Islam.

…The Qur’an does not condemn the Semitic race; in fact it accords Jews a special status, given their shared prophetic traditions with Islam.
…The Qur’an criticizes only those Jews and Christians who turned away from God’s authentic message

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[planten]

**charlotte, we do not know your question. Please do not invite us to open any false sites. If you have anything sensible then come gently, peacefully. Otherwise do not bother.

Before asking any question, make sure that the same problem (defect) is not found in your church system or the bible.

**

 

[Charlotte2008]

**charlotte, we do not know your question. Please do not invite us to open any false sites. If you have anything sensible then come gently, peacefully. Otherwise do not bother.

Before asking any question, make sure that the same problem (defect) is not found in your church system or the bible.

**

**So now you are claiming that You Tube is a false site? Then I take it that every muslim conversion story is fake and every naik talk is fake too. Good to know. Watch the video and see how proud she is of a 3 year old hating Jewish people and calling non-believers apes and pigs. She even ends with May allah bless her - let all children be “true muslims” (and you can imagine what that means). Nice. Muslim Woman - since when do any Christians or Jews teach their children that much hate? They don’t. islam and peace do not go together - nor will they ever. Do not try to change the subject Planten by attacking the Bible again.
**

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

Salaam/ Peace

Mistreatment of Parents: The Second Major Sin in Islam

Abdullah : After Shirk (association of partners with Allah) is there any specific order in which the sins fall? If so, what is the second major sin?

Ahmad Kutty:…“Thy Lord hath decreed, that ye worship none save Him, and (that ye show) kindness to parents.” (Al-Isra’: 23)

…The Prophet (peace and blessings be on him) said: “Shall I tell you of the three most heinous sins?” He repeated this question three times and then said, “They are: to associate partners with Allah, to mistreat one’s parents, and to bear false testimony.”

In another tradition, the Prophet (peace and blessings be on him) said, “One who mistreats his parents cannot hope to enter Paradise.”

Also, he said, “The pleasure of Allah is in the pleasure of one’s parents and the wrath of Allah is in the wrath of one’s parents.”

Also read: What are the Major Sins?

Dutifulness to Parents

Dutifulness to Dead Parents

Allah Almighty knows best.

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[chrisse]

Planten and Muslim Woman and any other muslims on here.

I would still like a response to my question at #855. I shall re-post in case you missed it (or are just avoiding the question):-

Watch this please and answer why you are brainwashing your children into hating non-believers if Islam is a “religion of peace”?

youtube.com/watch?v=aml9VvhRXrE

I find it interesting that she says “Our God” - I thought we had the “same” God. She also says for them to be “true muslims” - what exactly is that or according to other muslims are they “not real muslims” - I have heard that hundreds of times as a useless excuse. Do not say it is a fake video when clearly they are muslims!

Perhaps you could have the courtesy of replying. Thank you.

In Islam, silence is consent. By avoiding the real issue, they are silent on it.

 

[sedonaman]

Translation is available.

Muslims claim that an Arabic Quran is the only true Quran, and that “translations have lost all meaning.” So how do you know what you are reading is true?

How many Christians understand Aramic or Greek ? Don’t they read the translation of thier holy book in English or in other languages ? The difference is Muslims read & memorise the verses in the original language.

This is not a valid comparison since Christians do not claim that the only valid Bible is in Aramaic or Greek.

I suspect this idea that the only valid Quran is in Arabic is an effort to artificially insulate Islam from intellectual critique, and is easily seen as transparent since you yourself rely on a translated version for pleasing Allah.

 

[Charlotte2008]

In Islam, silence is consent. By avoiding the real issue, they are silent on it.

**That is true. The “moderate” ones are pretty quiet on condemning terrorist attacks too. **

 

[rikkk1958]

** Belief, belief, belief. That is not enough. It has to be rational. Otherwise the pagans also believe in somethings. So they worship the idols. I am ready to along with you for all your good and sound beliefs. But if I find something wrong then please, I am sorry. I would not follow you**.

How rational are you really? Questioning the divinity of Jesus Christ, or deceived by a mere man Muhammed? If you are not capable of reading and understanding what is in the Bible, how can you be rational in dealing with it? How rational can you be to be deceived by an illiterate person? Besides, what is in the Quran really that it can be called the words of God? The hate? Contradiction? Wrong story? Duplication? What is it really that has the Quran? The Quran is a short so called revelation, very short. One letter of Paul can best describe God than the whole Quran! Get that?

** I think you are not right. I will believe what I find to be right. You will believe what you find to be right. There is no harm in my telling you what I believe because you are also permitted to make your beliefs known to every one peacefully.**

Of course the problem in our belief is because of the truth. What harm? There is no harm at all. I am offering you the salvation of God through believing the One who was sent down and declared He is the Truth, the Way, and the Life. What else can you not understand? You claimed to believe in the four Gospels, then read it carefully and understand.

Muhamamd never dsicreditted the bible or Torah. He gave support to the bible.

Of course He does, if not He would not let the people of the Book slaughtered after praising them. What kind of a prophet is that?

Could you disregard the bible and rely on your intellect alone? I hope not. Of course Muhammd could not be openly mentioned in the bible. Same as Jesus was not mentioned in the Torah openly.

This shows you are not rational in your response here. I think what you mean here is that, our intellect will never know the truth without the Bible. Am I right? What you are trying to rationalized I guess is about knowledge. Yes Planten, you can not rationalize without knowledge. Proof, facts, evidences, comprises the knowledge so one can rationalize. This is why we have the Old and New testaments to prove to you that based on its story the truth is revealed. And that is why we can not believe in Muhammed because his works is full of errors, revealing his motive in his own period of time. His works are not in sync with the truth! Get that?

On the other hand, you have the life of Jesus Christ, who even your prophet conceded to have been born by the Virgin without a natural father. Then you say you believe in the four gospels where you can read the works of Jesus Christ supported by His mighty miracles and seen by many witnesses. When did Muhammed did that? All he did was to deceive, or scare his people into submission.

**You have different kinds of angels and also different kinds (list) of your own choice prophets. You do not believe in all the prophets of God. You seem to know the characteristics of the angels, maybe you can count their wings too. I believe in your angels. You do not believe in our angels. Very good going. I accept your stand. Keep it. **

As I told you, first of all we can not believe the accounts of Muhammed because it is not what he says it is. Our faith is only where the truth lies, that means, the Holy Scriptures, and of course the oral traditions that was passed on by the early fathers up to this point. Muhammed is not a prophet anyway.

If Muhammad was not supported by the bible then we know that Muhammad supported the bible as true book given to Jesus which the followers could not preserve..

Jesus fulfilled the prophesies in the Old testament. Then the New testaments were written because of Him. So, how can you say that a true book given to Jesus? Which one was preserved? If you are referring to the original text, yes, you are right, muslim invaders burned them. However, true copies were preserved, not orallly like the followers of Muhammed, and then when the caliphs were not satisfied, they changed them according to their desires.

** It is good to believe and support the truth and I am trying to do that. Thanks. I am trying to look for any truth in the teachings of the Catholics.**

Believe me Planten, the truth is right before your eyes. Harden not your heart and for a moment let Jesus Christ come in to your heart. You will feel the difference, believe me.

 

[Charlotte2008]

Believe me Planten, the truth is right before your eyes. Harden not your heart and for a moment let Jesus Christ come in to your heart. You will feel the difference, believe me.

**Amen.

The problem with muslims is that they are very insecure in their faith and and have a rigid fear of questioning islam. That is the reason they turn to violence and spend a lot of time listening to endless talks by “scholars” in a vain attempt to prove it is true. If they actually questioned the religion themselves they would realise the flaws and leave. Millions are thankfully. **

 

[sedonaman]

Muhamamd never dsicreditted [sic] the bible or Torah. He gave support to the bible.

Hey, wait a minute. You said on many occasions that Mohammed taught that the Bible had been corrupted because it was written by men, hence the case for Islam.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

** In the name of Allah , the Most Gracious , Ever Merciful **

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Shaeed - United States: Why Do Muslims Quote from the Bible although It Is Corrupted?

Muhammad Muhammad Abu Laylah:…The Divine Gospel was not preserved in writing or by memorization. The early Christian community lived in horror and seclusion, so they could not come together nor could they protect the Gospel of Jesus.

The four evangelists thought for themselves to remember and write down some of Jesus’ sayings, and out of love and affection for him, they added to it or omitted from it something of an essential value.

…I can summarize the Muslim position towards the Christian and Jewish scriptures as follows: We Muslims reject

1.Passages that talk about something that are in entire opposition to what we know about Allah.

2.Passages that violate the dignity and infallibility of the Prophets of Allah, since the Prophets and Messengers of Allah are the best selected people who ever came to this earth.

3.Passages that violate the essential religious and human values and encourage exclusiveness or call for fanaticism and favoritism of a certain nation at the expense of the entire human race.

4.Passages that exaggerate about gods, Prophets or men. By the same token, verses that give details about the history of a certain nation or certain events should be excluded from being of Divine origin.

5.Contradictory passages that cannot be reconciled and brought together to mean something of real value or essential belief.

6.Passages that clearly bear the human impression and easily point to human intervention.

7.Passages that are in direct opposition to the Qur’an.

…You can also read:

Domains of Muslim-Christian Cooperation

Why Muslims Believe in the Bible

Has the Bible Been Tampered With?

Is the Bible the Word of God?

Allah Almighty knows best.

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503546440

 

[Charlotte2008]

** …I can summarize the Muslim position towards the Christian and Jewish scriptures as follows: We Muslims reject

1.Passages that talk about something that are in entire opposition to what we know about Allah.

2.Passages that violate the dignity and infallibility of the Prophets of Allah, since the Prophets and Messengers of Allah are the best selected people who ever came to this earth.

3.Passages that violate the essential religious and human values and encourage exclusiveness or call for fanaticism and favoritism of a certain nation at the expense of the entire human race.

4.Passages that exaggerate about gods, Prophets or men. By the same token, verses that give details about the history of a certain nation or certain events should be excluded from being of Divine origin.

5.Contradictory passages that cannot be reconciled and brought together to mean something of real value or essential belief.

6.Passages that clearly bear the human impression and easily point to human intervention.

7.Passages that are in direct opposition to the Qur’an.

**Of course this is what you are told to believe otherwise it makes islam irrelevant (which it is). mo couldn’t have formed his own religion and admit the Bible is the word of God. islam is not from God - read a Bible yourself from cover to cover instead of believing a pack of lies.

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…You can also read:

Domains of muslim-Christian Cooperation muslims are not sincere in wanting peace therefore no matter how hard Christians try to have peace it will never happen. You know that is true so stop lying./B]

Why muslims Believe in the Bible Obviously they do not otherwise they would revert to Christianity instead of sin.

Has the Bible Been Tampered With? Kindly prove the so called “corruption” - it has never been done btw.

Is the Bible the Word of God? Yes it is. We have proved this to you countless times.

Allah Almighty knows best. Allah is not God please realise this.

 

[Charlotte2008]

**To all those Islam apologists who think that Islam is a “peaceful religion”, I urge you to take off your rose-colored glasses and watch these videos. These are direct recordings from prominent Islamic leaders who openly advocate killing of ANYONE who is not a Muslim and warn of future 9/11 , so please watch and decide for yourself.

Undercover Mosque part 1:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=d7d9bf74191e006d8e24**

Undercover Mosque part 2:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b6df5b5e3f94d95b11da

Undercover Mosque part 3:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=b34375400904f03d8e6a

Undercover Mosque part 4:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=2576bd1ac5aaf16b3fca

Undercover Mosque part 5:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=28e489b44e954ec0b9bc

Undercover Mosque part 6:

tangle.com/view_video.php?viewkey=c962aa0d22ac97d69b79

Any comments MW and Planten?

 

[sedonaman]

…I can summarize the Muslim position towards the Christian and Jewish scriptures as follows: We Muslims reject

1.Passages that talk about something that are in entire opposition to what we know about Allah.

How could you know anything about Allah? I thought Allah’s nature was unknowable and that only his will could be known. Of course, the one thing we do know is he can change either at any time.

2.Passages that violate the dignity and infallibility of the Prophets of Allah, since the Prophets and Messengers of Allah are the best selected people who ever came to this earth.

In view of Mohammed’s misdeeds, I don’t know how you can say this. Planten just posted, “The prophet lived a simple life before getting power.” That statement says a lot.

3.Passages that violate the essential religious and human values and encourage exclusiveness or call for fanaticism and favoritism of a certain nation at the expense of the entire human race.

Do you mean passages like, “You are the best of people ever raised for mankind…”
Surah Ali Imran:110" ?

4.Passages that exaggerate about gods, Prophets or men. By the same token, verses that give details about the history of a certain nation or certain events should be excluded from being of Divine origin.

Passages like, “Passages that violate the dignity and infallibility of the Prophets of Allah, since the Prophets and Messengers of Allah are the best selected people who ever came to this earth.”

5.Contradictory passages that cannot be reconciled and brought together to mean something of real value or essential belief.

6.Passages that clearly bear the human impression and easily point to human intervention.

7.Passages that are in direct opposition to the Qur’an.

Given these, you would necessarily have to reject the Qur’an itself.

 

[planten]

** …I can summarize the Muslim position towards the Christian and Jewish scriptures as follows: We Muslims reject

1.Passages that talk about something that are in entire opposition to what we know about Allah.

2.Passages that violate the dignity and infallibility of the Prophets of Allah, since the Prophets and Messengers of Allah are the best selected people who ever came to this earth.

3.Passages that violate the essential religious and human values and encourage exclusiveness or call for fanaticism and favoritism of a certain nation at the expense of the entire human race.

4.Passages that exaggerate about gods, Prophets or men. By the same token, verses that give details about the history of a certain nation or certain events should be excluded from being of Divine origin.

5.Contradictory passages that cannot be reconciled and brought together to mean something of real value or essential belief.

6.Passages that clearly bear the human impression and easily point to human intervention.

7.Passages that are in direct opposition to the Qur’an.**

charlotte, **Of course this is what you are told to believe otherwise it makes islam irrelevant (which it is). mo couldn’t have formed his own religion and admit the Bible is the word of God. islam is not from God - read a Bible yourself from cover to cover instead of believing a pack of lies.
**

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charlo, what you have written is all wrong. I trust Muslim Woman is absolutely right in whatever she had written.
You may watch your own videos as no one here is interested in your foul videos.

 

[Charlotte2008]

Charlotte2008;4970578:

charlo, what you have written is all wrong. I trust Muslim Woman is absolutely right in whatever she had written.
You may watch your own videos as no one here is interested in your foul videos.

"Foul videos" - watch them and SEE THE TRUTH about that evil cult that destroying the world. The truth obviously hurts you. At least undercover videos you can see what is really happening in mosques not just the propaganda from muslims - mohammed must be so proud of all of you (sick). Open your eyes to the TRUTH!! Denial is one of the steps to realising it btw so maybe you are almost there.

 

[trdchubi]

planten;4971056:

"Foul videos

" - watch them and SEE THE TRUTH about that evil cult that destroying the world. The truth obviously hurts you. At least undercover videos you can see what is really happening in mosques not just the propaganda from muslims - mohammed must be so proud of all of you (sick). Open your eyes to the TRUTH!! Denial is one of the steps to realising it btw so maybe you are almost there.

The TRUTH HURTS Definitely! The Problem is they LIKE being HURT. PAIN is part of their religious culture. Many poster have pointed out the falsehood of their belief. They have made sure that they will insists that they are right when obviously they were lead wrong. Making them living walking religious “callouses”. Believer of a Mad man.

Well you Can’t teach old dogs new tricks, especially if this dogs are willing followers of an abusive narcissistic master.

By the way, sis ill view it. Information against a false religion is king:thumbsup: