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famdigy said:
Ibn Abbas says, we were in the company of the messenger of Allah (s) and Ali ibn Abi talib approached, when the messenger saw him a smile appeard on his face and he said “greetings to the one whome God created before his father Adam (as) by 40,000 years”
Ibn Abbas asks, Oh messenger of Allah, is it possible the son to be before the father? The messenger answered Yes, Allah created me and Ali before creating Adam by this length of time (40,000 years).
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famdigy said:
“Me and Ali were rays of light in God’s presence before the creation of Adam by 14,000 years. When Adam was created, God split the ray into two parts, a portion me, and the other Ali.”
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🙂 Hi famdigy,

Come’ on shiite fellow famdigy, you live in one of the best secular countries in the world, where you can read any book you want, you can research all those things, do you really believe that Muhammed or Ali have all those special cases to be created before 14000 years of Adam!, they both have been born from an earthy biological father and mother!

Please famdigy open your eyes, you shouldn’t take your ancestors words for it, research yourself, God The Most High gave us a brain, so let us use it & utilize it to find the truth.

However, I have some questions for you:
  1. Is it 40000 years or 14000, this shiite source says 14000:
    “حديث الخَلْقِ” الذي رُوِي بطرق مختلفة. الإمام أحمد إبن حنبل في مسنده، مير سييد علي الحمدانى في مودة القربى، إبن مغزيلي الشافعي في المناقب، و الديلامي في الفردوس إقتبسَ النبي كقائلاً “أنا وعلي مَخْلُوقين من نفس النور الإلهى 14,000 سنةَ قبل خلق آدم. مِنْ خاصرى النبي آدم وخلال سُلالتِه المقدّسةِ، النور وُرِثَ مِن قِبل عبد المطلب، ومنه هو قُسّمَ ووُرِثَ مِن قِبل عبد الله، (أبّ النبي) وأبو طالب، (أبّ علي). أنا مُنِحتُ النبوة، وعلي مُنِحَ الخلافةَ.”
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    muslimhope.com/Arabic/Shiites_Arabic.htm
  2. Do you know Arabic?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
We are not asking you to accept him as a Prophet but to show a minimum respect …is it too much to ask ?
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Frankly yes.
It is enough to respect your right of religious freedom. And that’s all you get. I don’t respect your god or your prophet and it is of no business of yours. As it is not my business if you disrespect other gods or prophets.
What about Odin, Thor, and Widar? Do you respect them? Just a reminder: To call them “false gods” or demons is not exactly showing respect.
 
Salaam/peace
DLC said:
How come Islam does not have a sinnless Savior?
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Muslims know God Almighty is our Saviour.

To believe that a human being or angel can save us , it’s a blasphemy in Islam. Punishment is eternal fire.

If you read the major holy books , u will find the same info . Don’t take other diety besides God.

Prophets (pbut) did not commit any major sins but it did not make any of them equal to God . This concept goes against all holy books. No Prophets ever taught any of this .

No Prophet told that a human will be your saviour in hereafter.
 
Salaam/peace
AnAtheist said:
…What about Odin, Thor, and Widar? Do you respect them?
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no but I won’t write Od or Wi when discuss about them with their followers .

U missed my point. I am not asking anyone to accept Muhammed (p) as the last Prophet (p) . But at least participants can write his full name .
 
dolphinlove said:
I think the more direct question he would like to know is, if God gave us a perfectly good book like the bible, then why did he need to send another prophet with a completely different set of rules?
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** It should be easy to understand. A book A law was given to Moses a.s. Then why came many prophets in the Israeli people. What was the need? And we have their books in the OT.

Specially there should be no need to send Jesus and no need to compile/ prepare another book by the name of bible NT.**
 
planten said:
** It should be easy to understand. A book A law was given to Moses a.s. Then why came many prophets in the Israeli people. What was the need? And we have their books in the OT.

Specially there should be no need to send Jesus and no need to compile/ prepare another book by the name of bible NT.**
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Do you apply the same logic to the perfection of the Tanakh meaning there was

“no need to compile/ prepare another book by the name of the quran”?
 
planten said:
** It should be easy to understand. A book A law was given to Moses a.s. Then why came many prophets in the Israeli people. What was the need? And we have their books in the OT.

Specially there should be no need to send Jesus and no need to compile/ prepare another book by the name of bible NT.**
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Neither those prophets sent to Israel after Moses nor Jesus claimed that the reason for their prophetic mission was the need to correct the supposedly corrupted scripture. 🤷
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Salaam/peace

Muslims know God Almighty is our Saviour.

To believe that a human being or angel can save us , it’s a blasphemy in Islam. Punishment is eternal fire.

If you read the major holy books , u will find the same info . Don’t take other diety besides God.

Prophets (pbut) did not commit any major sins but it did not make any of them equal to God . This concept goes against all holy books. No Prophets ever taught any of this .

No Prophet told that a human will be your saviour in hereafter.
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Christians never believe or teach that a human being or an angel can save them. The only Savior in Christianity is Jesus, who is GOD in flesh.
 
famdigy said:
Because Muhammad (s) came into existance before Musa (a). His birth as we know it was in 570AD. As the qur’an states “They know only what is aparent of the life of the world”. But his existance before bith is another story all together.
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Did Mohammad build a time-machine or did his Allah present him with one? You’re likening Mohammad with Jesus - as if He existed before He revealed Himself to the world in the flesh. I thought he was a mortal? So how did Mohammad come into existence before Musa? See, Christians are not wrong - you guys truly place Muhammad above God.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
My duty is just to give information about Islam . If you are not satisfied , I can’t do anything.
I told u more than once that God sent different books to different Prophets (pbut).

So , why God sent Taurat to Moses (p) & Quran to Muhammed (p) …you have to ask Him on the last day.
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I am not satisfied because you know you have declined to give me answers which i seek. No, not answers i want to hear, but answers that you can explain to the best of your ability. I don’t even see any effort from your part.

I doubt i will see Mohammad in heaven, I know i will be expected to see St Peter at the gates of heaven. 😃
 
Muslim_Woman said:
Muslims know God Almighty is our Saviour.

To believe that a human being or angel can save us , it’s a blasphemy in Islam. Punishment is eternal fire.

If you read the major holy books , u will find the same info . Don’t take other diety besides God.

Prophets (pbut) did not commit any major sins but it did not make any of them equal to God . This concept goes against all holy books. No Prophets ever taught any of this .

No Prophet told that a human will be your saviour in hereafter.
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You know God is your saviour, because of what was written in the Qur’an. Muslims swear by it. What if there was no Qur’an? Who would save you then? Mohammad?

We know Jesus will save us because before there was the Bible, there was oral tradition. People came to knew Jesus’ message of salvation through oral traditions.

Do you have so little faith to depend on a haphazardly written book which has so many contradictions and errors?
 
famdigy said:
You believe Jesus is pre-existent so whast the problem here? And what’s more blasphemy than to take a man and elevate him to the status of a god as you have done with Jesus (a)
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So you do worship Mohammad. God will be pleased. 😃
 
R_not said:
Well, then since you found one obscure passage that says that muslims are NOT to do such things, then why do they do it anyway? Could it be that you are quoting from us an abrogated passage from the koran? And you do indeed know what abrogation means - it means replaced.

1 : to abolish by authoritative action : annul
2 : to treat as nonexistent
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ok for one thing, people are people. the religion itself does not agree with the terrorists. they are power hungry freaks that will use anything to obtain more power. they are great manipulators twisting things in just the right way to be believable to those who dont know better.
keep in mind, catholics destroyed temples, churches of other religions. killed anyone who wont become catholics. oh and killed other catholics such as Joan of arc. catholics had their fair share of terrorism.

dare i say, what comes around goes around.
 
There is some legitimate disagreement even among Muslims as to just what the Quran and Hadith mean in the verses that the terrorists often cite to justify their violence. So, while I agree that terrorists are power hungry and will do and say anything to get their way, I’m not so sure I can say that the religion does not agree with them. I think some interpretations of the religion most definitely do agree with them, and unfortunately some of those interpretations are very popular with the people and well supported financially and ideologically throughout the Muslim world.

Is is possible to practice Islam completely peacefully? I guess it depends on which word in that question you want to emphasize… 🤷
 
To our Islamic friends.Adam was not born but created: Christ was born without a father. The creation of Adam was in this respect similar to the creation of the world, and the lower animals; whereas the Qur’an itself says that Christ’s supernatural birth took place through God’s purpose to give men a sign, and this is not to said of any other prophet’s birth. To Abraham and Zecharias there was promised, according to the Qur’an a “wise son,” “a righteous prophet.” But regarding Christ’s birth the language used is very different, for Mary it is said, “Her who kept her maidenhood, and into whom We breathed Our spirit, and made her and her son a sign as without parallel. The same language is used neither of Mohammed nor of anyone else. Why is this, except because Christ is superior to all onther prophets?

Why did God chose to interrupt the natural course of event in this way.
 
Salaam/peace
DLC said:
…because Christ is superior to all onther prophets?
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even if it’s true that ok Jesus (p) is superior than other Prophets (pbut) , it does not make him son of God or God Himself.
 
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