At what level does the existence of heaven justify the existence of hell?

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But how can this be? How can hell be justified by love and compassion?
The love of God for us is one reason why He gave us free will to either accept or reject that love. If we choose to reject it, then He honors our choice. Letting someone go if they don’t want to be with you is an act of love.
 
You are asking the question why would I define the terms for you.
I’m perfectly happy with everyone defining the term “justify” as they see fit, otherwise we risk being sidetracked by an argument about semantics and meanings that’ll almost certainly end up leading us nowhere.

So I’m perfectly content with everyone defining the term “justify” as they see fit, and I’ll leave the discussion about semantics to someone else.

I’ll plead some level of ignorance on the definition, agreed?
 
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You are asking the question why would I define the terms for you.
I’m perfectly happy with everyone defining the term as they see fit, otherwise we risk being sidetracked by an argument about semantics and meanings that’ll almost certainly end up leading us nowhere.

So I’m perfectly content with everyone defining the term “justify” as they see fit, and I’ll leave the discussion about semantics to someone else.

I’ll plead some level of ignorance on the definition, agreed?
Hard to do philosophy if you don’t have defined terms. You at least, who are asking the question, ought to risk taking a defined position.

At some point you are nto doing philosophy, you are doing “I assert”, and that’s not philosophy.
 
I’m perfectly happy with everyone defining the term as they see fit, otherwise we risk being sidetracked by an argument about semantics and meanings
But if everyone defines the word as they see fit, none of the answers can definitively be said to fit the question. All are meaningless unless there is agreement on the term under discussion.
 
Indeed I could’ve phrased the question differently, but the idea was to make people think.
But if you’re a solipsist, and we’re all figments of your imagination, how does “thinking” work for us?
 
How many people does it take to justify the existence of hell?
Zero. It’s a place that must exist, by nature of man’s free will. Even if it’s never used, it must exist so that those who reject God’s invitation to heaven at particular judgement have a place to go.
In the basement of the hotel, some of those neighbours, whom you love, are being horribly tortured. Their tortures are endless, with no remission and no end. Eternal torture. Some of those being tortured may even be your own family, not merely neighbours.

Are you happy in your luxury hotel room?
I would be perfectly happy, for those who are in the basement chose it of their own free will. It was not a choice made for them.
 
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But if everyone defines the word as they see fit, none of the answers can definitively be said to fit the question. All are meaningless unless there is agreement on the term under discussion.
Not really, earlier you chose to define the term “justified” as that which God chooses, and I was perfectly fine with that. Now if someone chooses to define it differently, then I’ll probably be perfectly fine with that too.

After all, for each and every one of us it’s going to come down to how we interpret that word, and then how we reconcile that word with God’s actions.

It’s not up to me to tell you how you’re supposed to define the word justify. It’s simply up to me to show how your understanding of that word doesn’t correspond to God’s actions.
 
I used to think that people committed sins because they didn’t “know better”, and if it were all just Explained To Them they would fall in line.

But the fact is, people are self centered and unwilling to delay gratification. If there is a popular vice, people will twist them self into a pretzel to justify it.
And power and revenge feel good.

So no, it’s not usually a knowledge deficit.
 
Why did you assert a position that you agree is discredited?
I mean you won’t choose Hell over Heaven if you witness it, if you are 100% sure. People are in state of disbelief. So they do all sort of things.
 
Not really, earlier you chose to define the term
Actually no, I didn’t define the term at all. I simply used a definition that already existed and seemed to fit my point. Which has now led to a discussion of semantics.
 
I used to think that people committed sins because they didn’t “know better”, and if it were all just Explained To Them they would fall in line.
It is not matter of explaining. People need to witness Heaven and Hell so they can choose.
But the fact is, people are self centered and unwilling to delay gratification. If there is a popular vice, people will twist them self into a pretzel to justify it.
And power and revenge feel good .

So no, it’s not usually a knowledge deficit.
That because some people have specific nature. Sometimes it is very difficult to go against your nature.
 
People need to witness Heaven and Hell so they can choose.
I’m not sure I’d say “need to”.
There are plenty of saints who walked by faith and not by sight.
 
Actually no, I didn’t define the term at all. I simply used a definition that already existed and seemed to fit my point. Which has now led to a discussion of semantics.
I find it sad, that so many promising threads devolve into a discussion about semantics, when they really don’t have to. By choosing not to define it, I accept whatever definition of justify each individual finds acceptable to them.

I accept that whatever definition you choose to give the word…is correct.
 
So you mean that 100% of human beings witness Heaven and Hell and they choose to sin?
No, I mean that some people will choose to sin regardless of whether they believe in, or even had a vision of, Heaven or Hell. People (as a group) do things that they know for a fact are bad for them every day.
 
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