Bahá'í

[daler]

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Bahai like to knock Christians… Your prophet didn’t know Christianity…

Ignatio, I appreciate your response, for I think that you are sincere, although you may progress a little faster if you’d holster your six gun and quit shootin’ up the town. We’re here to have friendly, intelligent dialogue. Nobody is telling you what you believe, and when we tell you something you say that is blatantly inaccurate, you go back to fussin’ about it makin’ stuff up which isn’t true, as though you are an authority, all the while “not getting it” in many places, so help me God.
. Baha’is do Not knock Christians. We all absolutely, positively belief in the Divinity of Jesus the Christ. Period. This is pure fabrication for your own self-gratification, I suspect, and while there are some different interpretations of the stories surrounding the Prophets of God and certain matters pertaining to Their purpose, we accept every single one of Them, exalt Them as Holy Beings called Manifestations of God, which means Those Daysprings of Revelation Who manifest the Divine Attributes in Their Persons.
. You then make the most ludicrous statements that Baha’u’llah does not understand Christianity while He is the very One foretold by Christ Who is the Spirit of Truth Who was sent to bring us into all Truth. Just because you reject this does not mean that is wrong, only in your eyes.
. Every now and then, however you pose a worthwhile question while lowering the tone of your hostile rhetoric and appear to deserve an amicable reply, yet when a response is made in good faith, you return to childish antics, again, causing no one in the forum to take you seriously.
Somebody needs to be straight with as you holler with hate and hostility, prejudice and negativity, sounding like a frustrated, angry person in search of a target.

When I talked like you growin’ up, my dear mother stuck a bar of soap in my mouth. Ok, sport? See you at the Bingo parlor, for I gave up the bars thirty years ago after becoming a Baha’i, after which I studied and gained nothing but profound appreciation for the many and diverse expressions of religions and culture found all over the surface of the planet, from Dances with Wolves country where I grew up to the Middle East and China. Its all good, man! Enjoy the diversity, find the unity, the common ground, and go from their. Get to “know” a few people of ethnic and cultural backgrounds dissimilar to your own, I have. Love gospel music, pow wows, sitars, and pipe organs.
And if you wanna talk religion, pose one or two well-phrased questions, respond with respect and dignity, if you can figure out where you misplaced them.
Peace, man… and be coool… Ok? Cause then you’ll have the respect of everybody in the Forum, Christian, Baha’i, and whoever else pops in for a visit. I suspect we’d all like to have an intelligent conversation with you if you can muster the common courtesy to operate on the level of gentlemanly protocol.
. God bless you, I really mean that, too. We’re all God’s children here. Let us “all” attain to His good-pleasure.
. One more thing. I speak to you man to man. Return the favor, please. No more BS and discourtesy. Stand up and be counted among the honorable souls who inhabit this forum so kindly offered by the fine, upright people of the generous Catholic Church, whom I honor and respect. The more I learn about my fellow believers in Christ among this fold, the more appreciative of the considerable depths of thought and sensitivities and other qualities of goodness, virtues and charity of heart I find in them.
God less everyone, and to each a good nite.!

May Moses, Jesus, and Baha’u’llah all be proud of those who claim to be followers of their Faiths. In the Baha’i Faith, we believe that All the Prophets of the One True God do indeed proclaim the same Faith, while recognizing that we all have particularly beautiful insights from our own unique perspectives at the table.

In closing:
Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship." Bahá’u’lláh (the Glory of God) Who spent 40 years in prison and exile in an attempt to alleviate the suffering of humanity while chained at times in the Black Pit and the Most Great Prison of Akka, while writing volumes to the most eloquent and profound religious writings to be found in the history of the earth, to any fair minded and just observer, bringing together a cross-section of humanity as diverse as can be found from every nation on the planet:

“The earth is one country, mankind its citizens.”

“Glory not in this that you love your country, rather glory in this that you love mankind.”

“Nothing short of the unity of the entire human race will suffice to heal the ills of mankind.”

“Ye are all the leaves of one tree and the fruits of one branch.”

 

[Servant19]

Again im not actually getting an answer, just avoiding of my question. I’ll phrase it this way. Is there only one soul called a manifestation that incarnates himself in different times in history. Or are there multiple souls called manifestations who each have their own incarnation for a certain time in history? The question should be easy to answer and shouldn’t require an entire book.

Hi Ignatian,

The human temple consists of a body and soul, on this earthly plane of existence. When we live on earth as a human being, the only reliable way of someone conveying a message to us is if they too are humans.

The Manifestations of Gid throughout history are indeed all unique in their HUMAN identity. They have a body as well as a soul. This is the way God has created a human being, so a Manifestation of God is not exempt from this unique reality. Have you ever seen two human beings that were the EXACT SAME? Of course not, so the humanity of Jesus and Bahaullah are different.

In the Bahai Writings, it is clearly written that the Manifestations of God have a THIRD REALITY

So far we have the physical body as the first reality, then we have the soul that animates the consciousness of this body as a second reality.

It is this THIRD REALITY, which is unique to the Manifestations of God and NOT shared with me or you, that is 100% shared by all the Manifestations. This is LIGHT that is represented by the Bahai analogy of the Sun, it’s Rays and the Perfect Mirror.

The light that shines from all of them is ONE LIGHT, which is responsible for the refreshing the vitality of all the atoms of the universe, which brings forth a unique civilization that brings advancement for the regions of the world that it touches, changes a criminal into a champion of Gods love.

I hope this answers your question. No it doesn’t take a book to explain it, but it requires proper context to appreciate it to its full extent

 

[Servant19]

Dear friend SteveVH, please know that I have not forgotten your request to know what Baha’is actually do and what’s new…

I am flying to Vietnam tonight, it truly has been very busy. I will keep to my word dear friend, and respond ASAP

 

[Servant19]

Please cite both of my posts–one where I said I do understand the essence of marriage and one where I said I do not understand the essence of marriage.

And then we can chat about your misunderstanding.

PR, please enjoy scrutinizing your previous posts yourself. I’m not here to do your work for you. I made a claim about your contradictions…go look back and see how you contradicted yourself. It’s there, I promise you

 

[SteveVH]

Dear friend SteveVH, please know that I have not forgotten your request to know what Baha’is actually do and what’s new…

I am flying to Vietnam tonight, it truly has been very busy. I will keep to my word dear friend, and respond ASAP

Not a problem. Have a safe trip.

 

[PRmerger]

PR, please enjoy scrutinizing your previous posts yourself. I’m not here to do your work for you. I made a claim about your contradictions…go look back and see how you contradicted yourself. It’s there, I promise you

If you are accusing me of contradicting myself, then you need to provide the texts.

I will show you where you did not read correctly and made an erroneous conclusion, and therefore it is reasonable to assume that you did not read correctly (again) and made another erroneous conclusion.

To wit: I said this:

Aquinas saying “no one knows the essence of God” sounds pretty suspect to me. It doesn’t sound Thomistic, at all.

Now, if you posited that the Angelic Doctor said that no one can completely understand God’s essence, then I would say, “True, dat!”

To which you, weirdly, concluded this:

Firstly, I hope you are now less suspicious of Aquinas’

I think even someone with a 9th grade education would be able to see that I was not saying I was suspicious of Aquinas.

So, given your inability to understand that post, I would like to be able to correct you on your inability to understand my other posts.

It’s just that I don’t know where you made your mistaken conclusions again.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Daler quoting me out of context (In which I said bahai like to knock Christians for X reason, not as if I said it in general) doesn’t help your case. The thing is the bahais do love to point out the schisms and bitterness all throughout history and use that as a reason why Bahai is simply better. Deal with the point.

Now please stop this silly little game of trying to say you believe in the same thing as us. You know this is absolutely deceptive to say that “. We all absolutely, positively belief in the Divinity of Jesus the Christ. Period.” You do not believe Jesus is of one substance with the father and the holy spirit like Christians do, you believe in a different doctrine. Im tired of bahai constantly redefining things within the conversation to try and appeal to the EMOTIONS of the individual instead of the actual beliefs. Admit you do not consider Christ as God, totally to be worshipped, Creator of all, Eternal, and from whom we derive our ultimate existence and meaning for life. You believe this not and you know it. Stop this insulting game of trying to say “WE AGREE LOOK WE AGREE.” It is pathetic and it is deceptive, it is lying.

That being said, show me where your prophet had a good concept of what Christainity is, and by Christianity I mean historic Christianity not only in the bible but through the fathers and the church throughout the centuries. Show me he understood what Immaculate Conception meant and explain to me if you are to believe in the immaculate conception of Mary why do Bahai reject original sin? Show me where he understood the nuance of Christian expression concerning the persons of God and the substance of God? Hmm? I may sound harsh now but that’s only because you have consistently deceive. Simply saying that he is the spirit of truth and therefore he must have understood Christianity is not good enough, ive read his letter to Christians and its full of ignorance and doesn’t convince me of anything. He rather insults presbyters and tells them to leave their church because they do nothing, he doesn’t know anything about the function of the presbyter, to serve the communities needs in giving of the sacraments, advice and love. Show me where he understood Christianity then I will take what you say seriously.
That being said, if I lied like you, if I deceived to try and get people to like me in a conversation like the bahai consistently do. Not all bahai, but the ignorant bahai like you. I might have gotten soap in my mouth as well.

So once again, nothing of substance from Daler, what more to expect?

Now Servant.

What is missing is the distinguishing. Your bahai brother seems to be saying to me that they are the same person in different incarnations exactly like the Hindu concept of Krishna. The same soul being reincarnated every so often for whatever reason, an avatar if you will. Is this the bahai concept? Are the manifestations unique and themselves without a body? This is something the bahai are having difficulty explaining and I do not know why. Some bahai have said they are not the same but are their own but in order to say Mirza Hussain is Jesus, Daler has had to say the Jesus that walked on earth 2000 years ago was the Mirza Hussain who walked on earth however many years ago.

Now this third reality you speak of is really the substance. They are of a different substance than that of humans or God. The rays might be from the sun but they are not the sun in make up or matter, but are just light. But if you truly believe they are mirrors of God I want to ask you, can a mirror of God sin? Can he disobey God? Moses did.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Bahai like to knock Christians around for their councils and haven’t realised they have yet to have their own councils where they recognise the need for these terms that Christians have. Take in mind this is what you will need if you want to talk to Christians. Your prophet didn’t know Christianity and so he didn’t know how to address Christians on a level beyond basic beliefs that were commonly known and when his son tried to reinterpret the trinity (thus not addressing it at all) it shows he had either a poor teacher (his father) or wasn’t taught at all."

First, I am a very devout Christian and I have had many meaningful conversations with members of the Baha’i faith. I have yet to meet one, including Daler, that did not have a handle on Christianity. In fact, those Christians that question the validity of another’s faith with the arrogance to compare its rightness to the rightness of Christianity, is acting waaaaay outside of the teachings of Christ which direct us to at all times and in all ways respect and treat each other with love. If those of other faiths are required to understand our faith, then more of an effort should be made on our part to give them the same respect.

While I do not place their founder as the same as Christ, I do believe his teachings were divinely inspired just as Paul’s were. All one has to do is read his teachings and it is clear that their source was not of your common everyday man. Do you think that God suddenly went quiet in delivering words of hope and truth to man? One does not have to accept the tenants of another faith to give respect and gain from exposure to its teachings. I sorely wish more Christians displayed and related to others with a true understanding of what Christ meant when he asked that we love and serve each other as we do ourselves.

Who says Christians have a need for any specific terms? You as a Christian may have a need to place God in terms that can be easily digested by you. Some of us have no such need. Some of us are just fine with the concept of GOD IS and that alone.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Daler quoting me out of context (In which I said bahai like to knock Christians for X reason, not as if I said it in general) doesn’t help your case. The thing is the bahais do love to point out the schisms and bitterness all throughout history and use that as a reason why Bahai is simply better. Deal with the point.

Now please stop this silly little game of trying to say you believe in the same thing as us. You know this is absolutely deceptive to say that “. We all absolutely, positively belief in the Divinity of Jesus the Christ. Period.” You do not believe Jesus is of one substance with the father and the holy spirit like Christians do, you believe in a different doctrine. Im tired of bahai constantly redefining things within the conversation to try and appeal to the EMOTIONS of the individual instead of the actual beliefs. Admit you do not consider Christ as God, totally to be worshipped, Creator of all, Eternal, and from whom we derive our ultimate existence and meaning for life. You believe this not and you know it. Stop this insulting game of trying to say “WE AGREE LOOK WE AGREE.” It is pathetic and it is deceptive, it is lying.

That being said, show me where your prophet had a good concept of what Christainity is, and by Christianity I mean historic Christianity not only in the bible but through the fathers and the church throughout the centuries. Show me he understood what Immaculate Conception meant and explain to me if you are to believe in the immaculate conception of Mary why do Bahai reject original sin? Show me where he understood the nuance of Christian expression concerning the persons of God and the substance of God? Hmm? I may sound harsh now but that’s only because you have consistently deceive. Simply saying that he is the spirit of truth and therefore he must have understood Christianity is not good enough, ive read his letter to Christians and its full of ignorance and doesn’t convince me of anything. He rather insults presbyters and tells them to leave their church because they do nothing, he doesn’t know anything about the function of the presbyter, to serve the communities needs in giving of the sacraments, advice and love. Show me where he understood Christianity then I will take what you say seriously.
That being said, if I lied like you, if I deceived to try and get people to like me in a conversation like the bahai consistently do. Not all bahai, but the ignorant bahai like you. I might have gotten soap in my mouth as well.

So once again, nothing of substance from Daler, what more to expect?

Now Servant.

What is missing is the distinguishing. Your bahai brother seems to be saying to me that they are the same person in different incarnations exactly like the Hindu concept of Krishna. The same soul being reincarnated every so often for whatever reason, an avatar if you will. Is this the bahai concept? Are the manifestations unique and themselves without a body? This is something the bahai are having difficulty explaining and I do not know why. Some bahai have said they are not the same but are their own but in order to say Mirza Hussain is Jesus, Daler has had to say the Jesus that walked on earth 2000 years ago was the Mirza Hussain who walked on earth however many years ago.

Now this third reality you speak of is really the substance. They are of a different substance than that of humans or God. The rays might be from the sun but they are not the sun in make up or matter, but are just light. But if you truly believe they are mirrors of God I want to ask you, can a mirror of God sin? Can he disobey God? Moses did.

You have shown an inability to see into Christianity very deeply, nonetheless the Baha’i faith. In one post you identify the Trinity as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as three persons and also identify Jesus as God. You don’t see the difficulty here with your depiction? This is the problem that your highly valued “terms” creates. Also, the councils you so highly value are made up of men. Therefore, error in what they decide is a certainty and, so, it is certain that it is going to fall short of Truth. Something no religion can honestly claim to be in full possession of and still profess to a true understanding of the greatness and glory of the Creator. To truly appreciate God’s love for man, one must accept how far we are from understanding Him in our belief systems and our capacity to fully understand. We are all wrong to some degree and still Jesus died for us to help us better understand the truth of our own being and the Father still loves and abides with us. We must do the same for each other.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

You have shown an inability to see into Christianity very deeply, nonetheless the Baha’i faith. In one post you identify the Trinity as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as three persons and also identify Jesus as God. You don’t see the difficulty here with your depiction? This is the problem that your highly valued “terms” creates. Also, the councils you so highly value are made up of men. Therefore, error in what they decide is a certainty and, so, it is certain that it is going to fall short of Truth. Something no religion can honestly claim to be in full possession of and still profess to a true understanding of the greatness and glory of the Creator. To truly appreciate God’s love for man, one must accept how far we are from understanding Him in our belief systems and our capacity to fully understand. We are all wrong to some degree and still Jesus died for us to help us better understand the truth of our own being and the Father still loves and abides with us. We must do the same for each other.

Thank you for enlightening me, can you explain how the early fathers used the terms hypostases (person) and ousia (substance or essence) in order to define the trinitarian theology all Christians have today? Can you go on to please enumerate since you obviously know so much more than I do the Heterousian and Homoiousian and Homoousian positions and explain how these made up the bulk of the positions in the third century which forced Christians at that time to use these terms like personhood or substance when talking about the reltionaship between the father and the son and the spirit?

Now if you want to do away witht he fathers with “Men” please do away with the apostles and their writings. They were just men, why trust their writings? In fact why trust the writings in the first place over those gnostic gospels you ignore? After all we don’t know from the bible itself who wrote some of these words. Why is paul to be trusted? Why is Mark to be trusted? Who is mark? we can’t rely on those men who told us he was a follower of Peter who wrote what he remembered from Peter. And even if we do believe that we must still reject Mark because he relied on pEter and Peter is a man.

Your obviously a fundamentalist, so i want you to be consistent and abandon two thousand years of Chrsitian theology that you are indebted to. You cannot use the doctrine of the trinity, you cannot use the protestatn writers, you cannot rely on anyone but God. You’ll find yourself very lonely and in a church made up of only yourself.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

First, I am a very devout Christian and I have had many meaningful conversations with members of the Baha’i faith. I have yet to meet one, including Daler, that did not have a handle on Christianity. In fact, those Christians that question the validity of another’s faith with the arrogance to compare its rightness to the rightness of Christianity, is acting waaaaay outside of the teachings of Christ which direct us to at all times and in all ways respect and treat each other with love. If those of other faiths are required to understand our faith, then more of an effort should be made on our part to give them the same respect.

While I do not place their founder as the same as Christ, I do believe his teachings were divinely inspired just as Paul’s were. All one has to do is read his teachings and it is clear that their source was not of your common everyday man. Do you think that God suddenly went quiet in delivering words of hope and truth to man? One does not have to accept the tenants of another faith to give respect and gain from exposure to its teachings. I sorely wish more Christians displayed and related to others with a true understanding of what Christ meant when he asked that we love and serve each other as we do ourselves.

Who says Christians have a need for any specific terms? You as a Christian may have a need to place God in terms that can be easily digested by you. Some of us have no such need. Some of us are just fine with the concept of GOD IS and that alone.

First of all since your so devout explain to me how we all (bahai included) believe Jesus to be divine, period.

 

[Razanir]

So Bahá’í believe that Jesus and the prophets of the Old Testament are all Manifestations. And this group of religious teachers includes all sorts of people, like Mohammad and Bahá’u’lláh. However, Jesus said in the Gospels “beware false prophets”

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 7:15[/BIBLEDRB]

How does you justify Jesus as a teacher of your religion with him warning against false prophets? It’s fairly clear that Jesus taught Catholicism as the Truth.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Thank you for enlightening me, can you explain how the early fathers used the terms hypostases (person) and ousia (substance or essence) in order to define the trinitarian theology all Christians have today? Can you go on to please enumerate since you obviously know so much more than I do the Heterousian and Homoiousian and Homoousian positions and explain how these made up the bulk of the positions in the third century which forced Christians at that time to use these terms like personhood or substance when talking about the reltionaship between the father and the son and the spirit?

Now if you want to do away witht he fathers with “Men” please do away with the apostles and their writings. They were just men, why trust their writings? In fact why trust the writings in the first place over those gnostic gospels you ignore? After all we don’t know from the bible itself who wrote some of these words. Why is paul to be trusted? Why is Mark to be trusted? Who is mark? we can’t rely on those men who told us he was a follower of Peter who wrote what he remembered from Peter. And even if we do believe that we must still reject Mark because he relied on pEter and Peter is a man.

Your obviously a fundamentalist, so i want you to be consistent and abandon two thousand years of Chrsitian theology that you are indebted to. You cannot use the doctrine of the trinity, you cannot use the protestatn writers, you cannot rely on anyone but God. You’ll find yourself very lonely and in a church made up of only yourself.

Sir, I am not trying to debate religion with you. I make no assumptions about you except draw conclusions from your displayed lack of understanding through your attacks on others. I congratulate you on your show of intellectual prowess and your ability to throw around some mighty fine and big religious terms. What I mourn for you is your lack of understanding which has again been displayed. God is about love sir, not terms, not ideas, not definitions or concepts. He is beyond concepts. If you could learn that you would know all you need. Hold onto your concepts, just don’t insist they hold any more truth than those of others. One word is really all that you need. That comes from Jesus. Love. Check out the endless love of God for all of us even those who try to limit Him to their own set of definitions and terms. What you will find will leave you weeping for your arrogant behavior.

What makes you think I have ignored the Gnostic texts? I haven’t said a word about the Gnostic texts. You are the one holding onto terms conceived by the Council. The Council is how so many gospels were excluded. O ye of great intellect and so little heart. For you and those like you cause so much needless pain. It poisons our world.

For you to identify me as a fundamentalist made me laugh. Would I be reading writings from the teachings of Baha’i if I were? So ya think God checks us out in church and says “Better see who they say I am today so I know myself”? He created us not the other way around. The terms you hold so dearly to were to give us some basis of understanding. They by no means convey the fullness of God. Most Christians that I know understand this. Relying on God is, it is true, what I do. If going to church means I must agree with folks that have little or no understanding as to why we gather, I stay home and speak to God one on one like Elijah. Oh, what was it Jesus said about the Pharisees? Never mind it is clear you don’t get what he showed us.

Want to know the Father and not just what we say about Him, start with Love. Give it a try. But, you must first understand God’s Heart.

 

[PRmerger]

Now please stop this silly little game of trying to say you believe in the same thing as us. You know this is absolutely deceptive to say that “. We all absolutely, positively belief in the Divinity of Jesus the Christ. Period.”

Yes. It is a deception to say that.

It’s like saying, “This comes from a chicken”

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/...ikPa23qVxOSi16Zg-t9BGwU3901S7-HrM92tSe9YwLAKI

No one is fooled by that assertion. No matter how similar it may appear to taste as if it did.

 

[PRmerger]

First, I am a very devout Christian and I have had many meaningful conversations with members of the Baha’i faith. I have yet to meet one, including Daler, that did not have a handle on Christianity.

Most of the Baha’is that I have been in dialogue with do not have a handle on Christianity.

In fact, those Christians that question the validity of another’s faith with the arrogance to compare its rightness to the rightness of Christianity, is acting waaaaay outside of the teachings of Christ which direct us to at all times and in all ways respect and treat each other with love.

You seem to be conflating questioning the validity of another’s faith with disrespect and uncharity.

That is absurd.

Questioning the validity of another’s faith is, well, the Christian thing to do.

Incidentally, it appears that you are questioning the validity of us to question the validity of another’s faith.

Why is it ok for you to do this, while not for us?

 

[Little_Star_1]

So Bahá’í believe that Jesus and the prophets of the Old Testament are all Manifestations. And this group of religious teachers includes all sorts of people, like Mohammad and Bahá’u’lláh. However, Jesus said in the Gospels “beware false prophets”

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 7:15[/BIBLEDRB]

How does you justify Jesus as a teacher of your religion with him warning against false prophets? It’s fairly clear that Jesus taught Catholicism as the Truth.

This is literally impossible. How in the heck could Jesus have taught Catholicism as Truth when it didn’t come into being until hundreds of years after his death? He was Jewish. He believed in Judaism.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

Sir, I am not trying to debate religion with you. I make no assumptions about you except draw conclusions from your displayed lack of understanding through your attacks on others. I congratulate you on your show of intellectual prowess and your ability to throw around some mighty fine and big religious terms. What I mourn for you is your lack of understanding which has again been displayed. God is about love sir, not terms, not ideas, not definitions or concepts. He is beyond concepts. If you could learn that you would know all you need. Hold onto your concepts, just don’t insist they hold any more truth than those of others. One word is really all that you need. That comes from Jesus. Love. Check out the endless love of God for all of us even those who try to limit Him to their own set of definitions and terms. What you will find will leave you weeping for your arrogant behavior.

What makes you think I have ignored the Gnostic texts? I haven’t said a word about the Gnostic texts. You are the one holding onto terms conceived by the Council. The Council is how so many gospels were excluded. O ye of great intellect and so little heart. For you and those like you cause so much needless pain. It poisons our world.

For you to identify me as a fundamentalist made me laugh. Would I be reading writings from the teachings of Baha’i if I were? So ya think God checks us out in church and says “Better see who they say I am today so I know myself”? He created us not the other way around. The terms you hold so dearly to were to give us some basis of understanding. They by no means convey the fullness of God. Most Christians that I know understand this. Relying on God is, it is true, what I do. If going to church means I must agree with folks that have little or no understanding as to why we gather, I stay home and speak to God one on one like Elijah. Oh, what was it Jesus said about the Pharisees? Never mind it is clear you don’t get what he showed us.

Want to know the Father and not just what we say about Him, start with Love. Give it a try. But, you must first understand God’s Heart.

Hence why o master I beseech you to teach me the nuances and explain to me why I am so wrong as to this “terminology” which most if not all Christians (at least the ones who know what they are talking about) use in talking about theology generally. That being said Im not intellectual, this stuff is the basic of the basic when we are talking about Christian history and the development of doctrine ( a book series I reccomend by the way) and what does it tell us when bahai don’t know this stuff? It tells us they don’t know Christinaity, hence why I am annoyed when Bahai say “We believe Jesus is divine too!”

They know, and you know that they know that we both don’t mean the same thing when we say things like “Jesus is divine.” Unlike Christians the bahai do not consider Jesus as divine in terms of ultimate divintiy, the highest, God in otherwords. They mean some vague concept of Manifestationism (which they will misleadingly call Trinity) in which there are eternal beings (this vague) who perfectly mirror God (again this is vague cause apparently they can sin and disobey God) and are for all intention purposes the Jesus Arrius imagined.

Now the fact you think any council got rid of the gnostic gospels, at least the important councils dealing with the subject of defining the relationship between the father and the son (nicea and constantinople) is humerous to me. Perhaps you ought read their canons or something about them before you say such things and outright dismiss your Christian heritage.

 

[Little_Star_1]

Most of the Baha’is that I have been in dialogue with do not have a handle on Christianity.

You seem to be conflating questioning the validity of another’s faith with disrespect and uncharity.

That is absurd.

Questioning the validity of another’s faith is, well, the Christian thing to do.

Incidentally, it appears that you are questioning the validity of us to question the validity of another’s faith.

Why is it ok for you to do this, while not for us?

A discussion on religion where folks of differing faiths are treated respectfully is one thing. What is going on in this thread is another. There is a difference. It is where this difference lies that true Christian behavior is found.

 

[PRmerger]

This is literally impossible. How in the heck could Jesus have taught Catholicism as Truth when it didn’t come into being until hundreds of years after his death?

No, Little Star. The Catholic Church was born on Pentecost.

He was Jewish. He believed in Judaism.

And then he founded the Catholic Church.

 

[PRmerger]

A discussion on religion where folks of differing faiths are treated respectfully is one thing. What is going on in this thread is another. There is a difference. It is where this difference lies that true Christian behavior is found.

No one has treated anyone disrespectfully here on this thread.

You seem to be allowing yourself the ability to rebuke, while not permitting others this same right.