It seems to me, asking questions about Quran verses is appropriate, considering the title and theme of this thread.Why you don’t ask these questions in a new thread?
Do you think we can discuss about all verses wrote here?It seems to me, asking questions about Quran verses is appropriate, considering the title and theme of this thread.
See, you’re avoiding the question, yet again. This thread is about ‘beautiful’ verse of Quran. So I posted a verse from the Quran. Is that verse not beautiful to you?
I assumed you were more an authority on Quran verses than I. Who should I ask those questions too?
Yes, or at least I had thought we could. I posted a verse from the Quran and asked a question about it, but it appears you are not going to answer any direct questions about that verse. This only leaves one to assume that there are ‘beautiful’ and ‘not so beautiful’ verses in the Quran, as you’re only willing to discuss certain verses posted in this thread.Do you think we can discuss about all verses wrote here?
What are these sentences? I good trying to make me continiue the discuss?Yes, or at least I had thought we could. I posted a verse from the Quran and asked a question about it, but it appears you are not going to answer any direct questions about that verse. This only leaves one to assume that there are ‘beautiful’ and ‘not so beautiful’ verses in the Quran, as you’re only willing to discuss certain verses posted in this thread.
37 : Then the sects differed *, so woe unto the disbelievers [those who gave false witness by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah] from the meeting of a great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).What are these sentences? I good trying to make me continiue the discuss?
O.K. I accept. But you ask just 1 question and I answer and when you have no more question about that, you ask a new Question. OK?
I think it is better to rename this thread to “Your Questions about Quran?”
37 : Then the sects differed *, so woe unto the disbelievers [those who gave false witness by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah] from the meeting of a great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).
Prodigal Son, please do not give the verse number only. You must give the chapter too. I do not know which chapter of the Quran verse 37 is being discussed. Give full reference.
- In the Muslim view, are Christians considered disbelievers who give false witness, according to that verse?*
Also it would be better if you gave the verse before and the verse after too. That will give some context and matter will be understood more easily.
Inyour question, you should give (present) the chapter number and verse 36, 37,38. That will help us. Thank you.
Quran Chapter 19 - Quran Translation of Surah Maryam (Mary)Prodigal Son, please do not give the verse number only. You must give the chapter too. I do not know which chapter of the Quran verse 37 is being discussed. Give full reference.
Also it would be better if you gave the verse before and the verse after too. That will give some context and matter will be understood more easily.
Inyour question, you should give (present) the chapter number and verse 36, 37,38. That will help us. Thank you.
37 : Then the sects differed *, so woe unto the disbelievers [those who gave false witness by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah] from the meeting of a great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).
“disbliever” is the meaning gave for “کافر”. this word is translated to “heathen”, “impious”, “infidel”, “pagan”, “paynim”, “unbeliever”, “unbelievin” and “unvelieving” in English. but “کافر” in arabic words mean the one who deny the reality.
- In the Muslim view, are Christians considered disbelievers who give false witness, according to that verse?*
In Mulsims’ view Christians are unbelievers not cause of this verse, but because they deny the prophethood of prophet Muhammad and they believe in trinity. Quran in 19:72-73 says every one says jesus is God and beieve in trinity, is unbieliever.(Sorry my English is not good and I can’t filnd a good word in English whitch be a good translation for “کافر”)
The New Testament says: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”(1 John2:22)
All relegions deny other relegions. It is so common. If a relegion is true it must excommunicate other relegions cause it is the true relegion of God.
But we don’t think Christians are like infidels and atheists. Quran says they are best friends for Muslims:
you will find the closest in affection to those who believe are those who said:" We are Nazarenes(=Christians)"(Quran5:82)
And relationship with Christians and Jews and other people who believe in a relegion whitch some day was true has difference whith relationship whith infidels and atheists.
Thanks Prodigal Son, I have understood. But i do not know from where you have taken the translation of the verses. You have mentioned the Tabari.Quran Chapter 19 - Quran Translation of Surah Maryam (Mary)
36 (Iesa (Jesus) said): “And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him (Alone). That is the Straight Path. (Allahs Religion of Islamic Monotheism which He did ordain for all of His Prophets).” (Tafsir At-Tabaree)
37 Then the sects differed (i.e. the Christians about Iesa (Jesus) ), so woe unto the disbelievers (those who gave false witness by saying that Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah) from the meeting of a great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).
38 How clearly will they (polytheists and disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) see and hear, the Day when they will appear before Us! But the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrong-doers) today are in plain error.
Your post seems to contradict itself in that the word is ‘disbeliever’, which you provided the translations for, and among those translations is ‘infidel’.“disbliever” is the meaning gave for “کافر”. this word is translated to “heathen”, “impious”, “infidel”, “pagan”, “paynim”, “unbeliever”, “unbelievin” and “unvelieving” in English. but “کافر” in arabic words mean the one who deny the reality.
In Mulsims’ view Christians are unbelievers not cause of this verse, but because they deny the prophethood of prophet Muhammad and they believe in trinity. Quran in 19:72-73 says every one says jesus is God and beieve in trinity, is unbieliever.(Sorry my English is not good and I can’t filnd a good word in English whitch be a good translation for “کافر”)
The New Testament says: “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”(1 John2:22)
All relegions deny other relegions. It is so common. If a relegion is true it must excommunicate other relegions cause it is the true relegion of God.
But we don’t think Christians are like infidels and atheists. Quran says they are best friends for Muslims:
you will find the closest in affection to those who believe are those who said:" We are Nazarenes(=Christians)"(Quran5:82)
And relationship with Christians and Jews and other people who believe in a relegion whitch some day was true has difference whith relationship whith infidels and atheists.
37 : Then the sects differed *, so woe unto the disbelievers [those who gave false witness by saying that 'Iesa (Jesus) is the son of Allah] from the meeting of a great Day (i.e. the Day of Resurrection, when they will be thrown in the blazing Fire).
yes, and they will be in the hell fire for worshipping jesus.
- In the Muslim view, are Christians considered disbelievers who give false witness, according to that verse?*
Catholics cannot say who will be and who will not be in heaven. Only God can judge us all. It is our hope and prayer that all are made worthy.so muslims can be in heaven?
I think it’s a shame that we have to learn what we know about Islam from the media, due to extremists. I will admit it prejudices my opinion, which is a fault of my own.likewise can be said about those criticising Islam. smile
this is probably the most beautiful post I have come across on this forum. Thank you. When I am dealing with you I will try to maintain the same level of respect you show me. I cannot say the same for other members here.I think it’s a shame that we have to learn what we know about Islam from the media, due to extremists. I will admit it prejudices my opinion, which is a fault of my own.
With these thoughts in mind, I apologize for my attitude in this thread. I don’t know your, friendship’s or Planten’s intentions here. I’ll be honest and say, I feel it’s for the purposes of proselytizing. I can be wrong and pray that I am.
I can no more learn about Islam from reading the Quran as I don’t believe you can learn about Catholicism/Christianity by reading the Bible.
Just as ‘one’ Catholic does not represent all Catholicism, ‘one’ Muslim cannot represent all Islam. Again, it’s a shame that the loud minority draws our attention as a representation.
We all worship the same God, even though our perceptions are different. I don’t expect you to change religions and I certainly have no intentions of changing my faith. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t treat each other with respect, with the love of God in our hearts. Just as I love God, and sharing my faith, I will try to understand you also love God and therefore love sharing your faith.
We sing a song in our worship for God to let there be peace and let that peace begin with me. With that song in mind, I extend my wishes for the peace of God to be you.
If any wish to start a new with a dialogue and I decide to participate, I will try to be more understanding and have faith in my fellow man. Again, I apologize for my doubts of what you, friendship and planten have said.
**Whoa there dude!~I don’t know if you’ve ever done the all muslims are terrorists routine, but any human will get defensive when you attack their religion, God, or prophet which will lead to anger and frustration. I had been nothing but kind until people like dzhermi, jasakai, mosacked, kathleengee etc. started insulting Islam and calling Allah a moon good and labeling the prophet as a pedo. We can peacefully disagree. smile.
this is probably the most beautiful post I have come across on this forum. Thank you. When I am dealing with you I will try to maintain the same level of respect you show me. I cannot say the same for other members here.