Beto O’Rourke on Third-Trimester Abortions: Should be Decision the Woman Makes

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Then without examining the issues surrounding doctors and how they work . . .
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Go ahead and think that if you want.

But me and my “examining” and issues for “doctors” aside, there still is no medical indication for late term abortion.

There is no medical reason to murder a baby, that is alive, and you can deliver alive. None.

Go ahead and pretend it is all about me.

But your position is still just as flimsy.
 
7_Sorrows said:
You keep saying how rare the late term abortion. Do you have a number that is acceptable then? That makes it okay?
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Ideally zero. But why the attention on the relatively rare events, that are often tragic in nature, versus the relatively frequent event that are typically more arbitrary?
 
I am sure everyone can agree abortion is an absolute evil.
And that removing legal allowance for it would be a good thing.
 
I’d put it in the Constitution where all human life should be protected.
 
vz71 said:
I am sure everyone can agree abortion is an absolute evil.
And that removing legal allowance for it would be a good thing.
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The world that God gave us allows people to commit sin.
Go figure.
 
dvdjs said:
The world that God gave us allows people to commit sin.
Go figure.
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We outlaw shoplifting.
We outlaw murder.
Why shouldn’t we outlaw abortion?
Why don’t you agree that outlawing abortion would be a good thing?
 
This will be my last reply because obviously you will not let this rest.
The topic of the thread is about a presidential candidate and his stance on
third trimester abortion. Because of recent legislation in New York on late term abortion and because Virginia also tried to pass this type of legislation it is getting lots of attention.
I wear a button when I am praying at my vigil site where they perform abortions up
to 6 months. My button says pray for an
end to abortion - meaning all abortion.
If people see nothing wrong with abortions performed on women who are 6, 7, 8 months pregnant, they will never agree to not allowing abortions in earlier
stages of pregnancy.
 
7_Sorrows said:
If people see nothing wrong with abortions performed on women who are 6, 7, 8 months pregnant, they will never agree to not allowing abortions in earlier
stages of pregnancy.
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I think that that may be true. But I also think it true that if people have some heightened sense that abortions performed on women who are 6, 7, 8 months pregnant are somehow worse than those at earlier stages, they will never see abortions at those earlier stages as equally bad.
 
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Okay, you obviously don’t get it, but I will not go in circles with you because you always have to have the last word.
 
dvdjs (on the abortion issue) . . . .
The world that God gave us allows people to commit sin.
Go figure.
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In “abortion” the killers “evangelize” society to their perverted position by REDEFINING pre-born PERSONS as LESS THAN persons.

(Now they are attempting to extend that REDEFINITION to INFANT PERSONS born alive who they reject laws on, transferring these persons to a hospital for care).

With “slavery” they “evangelize” society to their perverted position by REDEFINING PERSONS with certain skin color as LESS THAN persons.

In “Nazism” the killers “evangelize” society to their perverted position by REDEFINING Jewish PERSONS as LESS THAN persons too.

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Considering these evils, do you think it is acceptable under any circumstances for Government to protect such sin?

Or never acceptable?
 
  1. Good government derives its authority from the people who institute it. So your questions are ill-posed; it is not a matter of acceptable action of the government, but of its people. People will be judged by God as have acted of failed to act in ways acceptable to Him.
  2. I am not sure that I agree with the premise that, in abortion, there has been a redefinition of person. In upwards of 25-40% of cases, human conception leads to a spontaneous abortion. While awareness of that number is recent, awareness of miscarriage is not. But has there been a sense throughout human history, in records and ritual, that these miscarriages represented the death of persons? Were deaths recorded? Were funeral services held? I think that Catholic theology, in a wonderful life-affirming way, has redefined and extended the concept of personhood beyond historical norms.
 
dvdjs . . .
Good government derives its authority from the people who institute it. So your questions are ill-posed; it is not a matter of acceptable action of the government, but of its people.
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That’s a partial truth.

The people at large, didn’t do Roe. Men in black robes did that.

And other PEOPLE who are bumped-off via abortion have no say in the matter.

So your syllogism and it’s second premise needs to be changed to conform to facts.

You need to change “its people” to “some of its people”.

Because other people were not allowed to grow up and have a say so.

They were literal casualties of OTHER people’s decisions.
 
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dvdjs . . .
I am not sure that I agree with the premise that, in abortion, there has been a redefinition of person. In upwards of 25-40% of cases, human conception leads to a spontaneous abortion.
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Absolutely irrelevant.

100% of humans eventually pass away too. But they are not any more or less of a person because of it.

It sounds to me like you ARE attempting to re-define some persons as LESS than a person. But THAT couldn’t be right. You are pro-life!

So please explain what you mean when you say . . .
I am not sure that I agree with the premise that, in abortion, there has been a redefinition of person.
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dvdjs . . .
But has there been a sense throughout human history, in records and ritual, that these miscarriages represented the death of persons? Were deaths recorded? Were funeral services held? I think that Catholic theology, in a wonderful life-affirming way, has redefined and extended the concept of personhood beyond historical norms.
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Throughout human history dvdjs, in records and ritual, that these adult deaths have at times not “represented the death of persons”.That does not make them any less of a person.

So your point here is irrelevant too.
 
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@dvdjs

C. Everett Koop, former US Surgeon General, as well as other medical doctors, have said there is no medical reason for abortion.

From this, I take it that there are always alternatives to a direct attack on the unborn child.

It seems to me that in situations later in pregnancy, a C-section would be the alternative to an abortion. The baby may die either way, but there is a huge difference between caring for dying babies and just killing them off very painfully.
 
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